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2017-2018 Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School Application

Discussion in 'China and Eastern Asia' started by ZZZ the foxbat, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. proteinworker

    proteinworker 2+ Year Member

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    Well said, xmojojojo.

    The situation is really not so good. Oversupply of specialists is result of policy failure
    It would be best if you do not need to borrow money to study medicine.
     
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  3. markyourcalendar

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    I feel that ans to these are exactly what interviewers want to know in the applicant. People may have so many different concerns but i hope for those who want a career in medicine could have convinced ourselves first before making a commitment.

    For other applicants I just want to point out that these "negative aspects" of medicine are same to all kinds of careers everywhere. it may come from insiders but simply complaints. Ask any friends of you and you will realise the same happen. that's life, and maybe that's determined by the society or the market's invisible hands. if there are only positive aspects, more people will rush into it to turn positive into negative. to make the overall neutral. there is definitely no one could surely say the payoff would justify the opportunity cost, not even for a group of people, not to mention that for an individual, and not even a probability would work for this case, coz it's only for repeated events.

    When i first draft this, I simply want to reply that your INTEREST is the key, but I also find it a very vague answer. it's more than that, it's how confident you are when others challenge you with these concerns, it could be yourself, friends, family, interviewer.

    i hope my reply could help those that are horrified by these concerns. these shouldn't be the top concerns on your list.
     
  4. Enerrior

    Enerrior 2+ Year Member

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    Just got my offer today. Went for sept applicant day, got a follow-up interview in Nov. :)
     
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  5. onewaydriveway

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    Congrats! I didnt know the school had f/u interviews too.
    I also attended Sep applicant day :).
     
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  6. Enerrior

    Enerrior 2+ Year Member

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    Thanks! I was surprised when I received the f/u interview invite. Not very common in duke nus I guess.

    Sent from my [device_name] using SDN mobile
     
  7. onewaydriveway

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    @Enerrior
    Just out of curiousity, what was the interview about?
    The applicant day felt very structured with the teamLEAD demo and such, but I presume it wasnt the same for F/U interview?
     
  8. Enerrior

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    Follow-up interview was just a 1 to 1 interview with one faculty interviewer from the admission team. The interviewer questioned about my motivations to join medicine, and also asked some standard interview questions. It was definitely much tougher than what I experienced on applicant day itself. Lol
     
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  9. markyourcalendar

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    Congrads
     
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  10. Enerrior

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    thanks
     
  11. onewaydriveway

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    Wow, I didn't expect they'd do a second interview at all! Regardless, its a good thing that you've passed that tougher hurdle XD
     
  12. mamba4lyfe

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    Hi All,

    MS1 here.

    Great discussions all around. It's important to weight the costs and benefits to any career. However, motivation to study medicine must come from within (Yoda moment). Where-ever you go, where-ever you may choose to pursue medicine, there will certainly be flaws in the system. Ask yourself - are these flaws enough to make you reconsider your life decision? One thing is for certain - something you will find out very quickly - medicine is difficult and it is a constant struggle. Duke-NUS students are like any other medical students in the world - we are all at the mercy of policy (or whatever you may wish to call it). We are aware of our own circumstances: the cost, the hours, the sleepless nights, and yet we are content doing what we do because the joy of practicing medicine and making other's lives better outweighs our personal sacrifices, yes, even when the future looks uncertain. We know what we said in our applications, and I'll bet that all of us meant it when we said we want to better the lives of others, and that alone is enough to fuel us (although refueling should be saved for another discussion...). The thing about enrolling in a graduate medical program is that you now have the maturity to make a conscious and well thought out decision to pursue medicine despite understanding the cruelties of the world (which I imagine that most 18 year olds cannot comprehend ... no offense). It is going to get much crueler the higher you climb.

    So far, my experience at Duke-NUS has been great. Talk around town is that we are less superior than other med grads in SG due to our 4-year curriculum. This is changing, and changing fast. Look around the US and you'll find a 4 year program sufficient to graduate stellar doctors. Thus, ultimately, it is not the 4 year training that determines your worth as a doctor, but how you train in the years after, during residency, that matters. Physicians from the first batch are now consults or A/C, and they are people whom any right minded doctor looks up to. Needless to say, the curriculum here is tough (exams, exams, exams, exam), but it trains us well. Our exam results match those at Duke and the alumni are heavily involved in training. In fact, Duke-NUS is like a family. Our seniors take good care of us, student affairs is always checking in on how we're doing (emotionally and physically), and the education department listens to our feedback and makes adjustments (it truly is amazing how fast changes are made with our feedback). The mantra here is not to be better than other medical schools, but to be the best doctors and advocate for our patients. If you enjoy patient centered medicine, and enjoy a bit of research, this place is for you. As a wise team mate once said - the most brilliant of minds belong in research, and I compel you to come join us if you're ready for the challenge.

    Please PM me if you have any questions. I'll be more than happy to help.

    Merry Christmas
     
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  13. haaaa23455

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    Hey mamba4lyfe I am an admitted MD candidate this year. I was hoping to learn more about the school from a current student. I wanted to know if there would be time to pursue research MS1/2. I also would like to know how easy it is to switch to the md/phd course. I have always been interested in medical research, but was intimidated to apply for a full md/phd due to the daunting commitment. Recent experience however has convinced me to pursue a full PhD. I wonder if I should reapply in the event that a student who switches to MD/PHd midway will not like those who join immediately be able to choose mentors from not just duke-nus but also nus and Duke / receive the md/phd scholarship
     
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  14. livingbychance

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    hi guys,
    I'm a Singaporean currently completing my degree in the US. I got an offer for Jan 18 applicant day for MD programme. My MCAT isn't stellar and while I do have some volunteering, research and shadowing hours, it isn't much compared to so many people. Any tips for applicant day?
     
  15. onceasaint17

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    Hey there, congrats on getting the call-up! I went for the Applicant Day on 11 Dec so I guess my memory of it is still quite fresh! Here are some of the tips that I have for you:
    -Be prepared for the TeamLEAD session by reading the article they send you; there will be a short MCQ quiz on it followed by team discussion on the topic. The quiz is not graded or anything, the session is just to give a taste of what TeamLEAD is like!
    -There will be different kinds of interviewers, some asking personal/background questions while others may asked ethical dilemma questions, so be prepared to answer them! Rehearse is key, but try not to sound rehearsed? (hope you sort of get it lol)
    -The networking lunch is the time for you to know more about the school from the seniors, so go and mingle!

    Hope my sharing helps! All the best for Applicant Day!

    p.s. Remember to prep the relevant documents!
     
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  16. mamba4lyfe

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    Hi. I'm not sure I understand your last question, but I'll do my best to address the first few.

    Is there time to pursue research during the first and second year?
    - most likely not. Our curriculum in the first year is super compact. We learn in one year what other schools learn in two. Sounds daunting, but it works and I wouldn't do it any other way. We enter the wards in second year. That's a full time job. I haven't been to the wards yet, but what I do know is that after the wards you go home/library to study for the shelf (end of rotation exam). Also, there's a 3rd year entirely dedicated for research. It may sound like a good idea to do research throughout all 4 years because you're interested, and I commend you if you're able to do so, but it doesn't sound all that realistic to me considering the workload.

    How easy is it to switch to the md/phd course.
    - I don't know how easy it is, but they're certainly encouraging it. The transition is simple, send an email to the director, send in an application, and then you're in. All this with the caveat that you do well in the first year and you have the drive to complete a phd. There are certain aspects to an md/phd that is enticing, but there are also other factors that could dissuade you from joining. I encourage you to investigate the md/phd landscape in Singapore and have a conversation with our phd director. You can find his info on the school website.

    The md/phd scholarship applies to everyone unless youre sponsored by an external organization like AStar.

    BEST ADVICE:
    Bode over this md/phd thing - I know you will - but you will have plenty of time to think about this in your first and second year. Congratulations on getting in and go ahead and take the next few months off to enjoy the last bits of your "freedom". Go on vacation, hug your mom, watch that movie, get that tattoo. I guarantee your future self will thank you for this treat (maybe not tattoo??).

    We'll chat soon.
     
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  17. breathinghearts

    breathinghearts 2+ Year Member

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    Has anyone received any acceptances lately? :)
     
  18. onceasaint17

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    Not yet :nailbiting: how about you? :)
     
  19. breathinghearts

    breathinghearts 2+ Year Member

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    Not yet too! I was from Nov applicant day too. It’s ok let us continue crossing fingers! :cat:
     
  20. Cauliflowerr

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    Hello all, I am a med school applicant in Singapore who is looking to sell my used MCAT books at a discount price.

    I have the


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    And two additional books of

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    The books are highlighted in some areas but still in good condition.

    Please private message me if you are interested to get them!
     
  21. lumen_nova

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    Hey all, it is kinda bad to start off my first post like this, but I wonder what is the Duke-NUS stance on the recent suicide of one of their students? I am not good with phrasing my words, but I would really want a school that is open about her flaws and shortcomings I believe that as a human organization, it is bound to be imperfect.

    Are the supervisors and professors there supportive and kind? Perhaps one way to see is how they treat disciplinary issues.
     
  22. Combat Medic

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    Hi,

    From what I have seen in the news, the victim was a PhD student in Duke-NUS. I am not sure if you are a Singaporean or you have studied in the Singapore education system previously, but the local tertiary education is pretty rigorous and suicide cases are not uncommon. I am a local and had my education in Singapore since young. The local university which I am studying in had one suicide case (I saw the dead body lying there!) and two attempted suicide cases during the 2 years I stayed on campus. All the cases mentioned were not reported as my university suppressed the media from doing so (don't ask me how). But those stuffs can still be tracked on the social media (some with photos as evidence). My seniors told me that you can expect at least one suicide in a local university every year (the case may not be reported publicly).

    I personally feel that Singaporean teachers/supervisors are generally intolerant of mistakes made by students. If you made a mistake (be it silly or not), you are more or less blacklisted by your teacher/supervisor (not always of course). Since young in Singapore, we were taught to follow model answers (exam ten year series and etc) and not to challenge those answers. Furthermore, Singaporean teachers/supervisors are also generally very stingy with grades. It is super difficult to get an A for your exam in the local university as compared to overseas university (I studied in an American system during my exchange and As were like freebies for Singaporeans studying there).

    No sure if you have already received an offer from Duke-NUS or not. Like someone had posted in this forum before, if you are an international student, choosing to go to Duke-NUS is not just about choosing a school, it is about choosing to live in Singapore for a long time due to the 5 year bond (or probably for life since your medical licence won't really be recognized in other countries), adapting to the Singapore culture, mindset and education system.

    Hope that these helps!
     
  23. lumen_nova

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    Yep I am a Singaporean. I don't think what you say are entirely true, but maybe perhaps I studied in a more relaxed school? I am not your traditional student haha. :p
     
  24. Combat Medic

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    Haha, yap. Whatever I said here is just my own opinion based on my own experiences. As Singaporeans, I guess Duke-NUS is our only option for graduate medicine locally. Australian or other overseas medical education will cost a bomb. All the best if you are applying to Duke-NUS for the coming intake! :)
     
  25. lumen_nova

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    Thanks! Yea ahhaha unfortunately Duke-NUS is my only financially sensible choice. :(
     
  26. Combat Medic

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    Haha, same here! Have you applied to Duke-NUS or just considering applying in the future? :p
     
  27. onceasaint17

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    Hi hi, does anybody know if rejection letters have been sent out?
     
  28. blue_med

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    Hi Enerrior,
    Congratulations for getting in! Just wondering how did you feel about your interviews on applicant day? I personally feel I didn't do very well for my 2nd interview and I am really hoping for a call back interview:(
     
  29. Enerrior

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    Both interview sessions were quite relaxed, but I couldn't gauge whether they like me anot. lol. Hopefully you will get another interview to prove yourself. :)
     
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  30. Travelseeker

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    Hi! I heard from a friend who attended the oct applicant day that she received her rejection letter. But that was in early Jan when she received it. So it was probably sent out late dec?
     
  31. Combat Medic

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    I heard that Duke-NUS only sends out rejections early to those who definitely cannot make it (stats wise) for applicant day. It is pretty rare for your friend's case since she was invited for the applicant day. Did she perform very poorly for her interviews? What are her stats?
     
  32. Travelseeker

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    I'm not too sure about the finer details apart from her pretty stellar academic scores. I attended a different applicant day from her.
     
  33. Combat Medic

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    Ok, thanks for your reply. I attended the applicant day for this admissions cycle too! From what I know, Duke-NUS should be sending out the next batch of decisions (offers/rejections) by late Feb or early March 2018. Let's hope for the best! :)
     
  34. onceasaint17

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    I see, thanks for your reply! :) btw, which applicant day did you attend?

    Oh thanks for the input, have been in a state of suspense ever since I went for my applicant day. :scared: And, yeah let's pray for the best! :):) p.s. which applicant day did you attend?
     
  35. Combat Medic

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    Hi, I will not disclose my exact applicant day date in order to protect my identity. Anyway, I applied in the regular admission cycle. There is nothing we can do now, so just be patient and hope for the best! :p
     
  36. onceasaint17

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    Ahhh my apologies if my question offended you! I totally understand! And yeah, there's nothing we can do, except to pray and hope for the best!!
     
  37. Combat Medic

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    Hi, no worries. Not offended, just that I dont want to reveal too much of my personal details on public forums. I will update you all if I got the offer. Good luck! :)
     
  38. ZackJay

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    To those who got in, mind sharing your gpa and mcat scores?
     
  39. Combat Medic

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    I doubt that anyone here received an offer recently. Next batch of offers should be out next month.
     
  40. SepiaKindle

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    Accepted. Looks more or less like the 2017 entering class profile.
     
  41. lifeisabtlearning

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    Hi, any MD/PhD applicants?
     
  42. courierstamp

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    Hey guys, I have always thought that Duke-NUS only requires applicants to submit one application essay (choose one from the 4 topics), is this information accurate?
     
  43. Enerrior

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    Nope. You have to write for all 4 topics (Personal statement, research, teamwork and adversity/dilemma).
     
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  44. 111castor

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    News says she "had been troubled over work and relationship issues before her death". The school is taking a closed/non-committal stance in response to the event. Since she has been a Duke-NUS student in recent years, some of the current or previous Duke-NUS students would have known her personally? Duke-NUS MD-PhD or PhD students? Why did she commit suicide? Were there any disciplinary or academic issues?

    The "troubled over work" bit disturbs me since I am interested in biomedical research, either the MD-PhD or PhD track in Duke-NUS. What is the school environment and research/lab environment like at this school? Is this work issue specific to her lab or Biopolis? Or is it due to the culture or pressure from the school? Are the "relationship issues" related to her supervisors, colleagues or staff of the school?
     
  45. Combat Medic

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    Doing a PhD is very different from doing an MD. MD is a course work based program, so every student in the MD program generally studies and goes through the same thing. Doing a PhD is totally a different story, how much work you need to do (and how much stress you need to face) depends on who your supervisor is as well as your lab culture. Some labs end work at 6pm almost everyday, some labs are often running at 12midnight. So choose your supervisor wisely, every Prof is an independent PI and him or her decides on your life in the lab.
     
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  46. lifeisabtlearning

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    Agreed! I currently work in a neurogenomic lab (not in DUKE-NUS). I have two supervisors; you can almost sense the polarity whenever I go for lunch meetings/annual progress reviews. Each has their own expectation on what you must accomplish through your candidature. Not like they would eat you up if you don't produce any paper, but they attack you psychologically. A friend in neuroproteomics is going through a hard time because she wanted to extend her candidature(though it's the student's right to apply for one). These may have an impact on her rs w her supervisor. This causes a lot of stress, also impinges on her work. Another friend from neurochemistry, has to do a lot of lab work, including that of his PI (can be unrelated to your project), failing which you get mistreated. So you've got to choose your PI wisely!

    As for the PhD student case, I don't think she was 'stressed'. She was a student from Cambridge and the lab she worked for in Edinburgh is as stressful as it is in any research institution.
     
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  47. Enerrior

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    Aren't you in the entering class of 2014?
     
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  48. 111castor

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    You've mentioned that your local university had 1 suicide and 2 attempted suicides within 2 years. How large is your university? The Duke-NUS student cohort is much smaller than a full university if I am not mistaken; it appears significant to have even 1 suicide within this small population (let alone any suppressed suicide or attempted suicide cases). What I gathered from the previous years' threads of this school is there have been at least 1 suicide or attempted suicide cases (which had not been publicly reported) in the past. Is suicide common in your local universities and Duke-NUS? Or is this an Asian phenomenon?

    The section where you said the local teachers or supervisors being intolerant of mistakes made by students, and blacklisting students, is concerning. I suppose it similarly happens in Duke-NUS?
     
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  49. 111castor

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    If stress wasn't the cause, what caused her to kill herself?

    Agreed that studying at Cambridge is intense but I don't know much about her lab situation in Edinburgh.
     
  50. Combat Medic

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    Often those who committed suicide or attempted to commit suicide in my university (my university is large) are not local Singaporean students. Singaporean students are pretty much used to the academic stress in Singaporean/Asian universities. Those Singaporean students who committed suicide or attempted to commit suicide did it not because of academic related reasons, mostly due to relationship problems (e.g. broke up with girlfriend/boyfriend).

    As the news suggest, the PhD student may have committed suicide due to relationship problems, so please don't speculate too much and put all the blame on Duke-NUS (although studying in Duke-NUS can be stressful at times).
     
  51. lifeisabtlearning

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    While I understand you are extremely concerned about your decision of wanting to pursue a PhD in DUKE-NUS; I hope we remain sensitive that we are talking about a person, despite no names being mentioned. Lets respect the deceased's privacy.

    Any PhD journey is not smooth sailing! Talk to any PIs, they would tell you that their PhD journey was terribly intense!

    In the meantime, I find this article (So you want to do a PhD? by Alicia Izharuddin) so well written. The author graduated from Oxford, went to do a PhD in SOAS. Currently a senior Lecturer! I can't seem to link it, but you can Google)
     
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