2017-2018 Western U of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific Pomona

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  1. Icebreaker05

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    2/15er.....just checked and I was placed on the alternate list as well. Does anyone know what movement from this list is like? I'm totally bummed.
     
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    I'm in the same boat. From what I read from last year's forum, a lot of the movement happens in May-July. I am not sure if there are exact percentages, since it really depends on the class each year and where people are getting accepted/deciding to go. Hoping for the best. I was accepted to Touro Nevada, so I will most likely be attending there, but I can't get myself to fully commit while being on the alternate list here
     
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    Unfortunately I was rejected but it’s okay I am going to New York!
     
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    Accepted from 3/1 yellow group!!
     
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    Accepted from 3/1!!!!! Green group... MCAT 512, Gpa 3.6....
     
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    All I know is that there are two more interview dates in April.
    Also, as of a couple of days ago, there were about 100 open seats. That number is constantly changing.
     
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    Can anyone provide more info on the summer anatomy program ISAC and how you can sign up? pros/cons etc. Thanks!
     
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    3/1 interview, accepted last friday! 514, 3.3, green group

    does anyone know/has anybody heard anything about the new medical school (CUSM) buying out some of Western's rotation spots in San Bernadino and how that'll affect rotation spots for incoming classes?
     
  10. thunder_thighs_save_lives

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    Does anyone know if there's a second look/accepted students' day here?
     
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    Not sure about this year, but last year, I was in a very late interview group in late march. that was the latest slot available when they threw me an ii, but then they added one or two slots after that in april iirc.

    pros - you may make a tight group of friends. there's a core isac group that's suuuuper tight with one another. you may get one extra EC to put on your residency app. god knows if anyone will care about it.
    cons - no summer.

    most people say don't do it. at my interview, the 2nd year students i talked to told me definitely to not do it. some isac'ers are happy they did it. others aren't. you're honestly probably no better off either way in terms of the content mastery.

    i heard it from administration that we'll be fine in terms of rotation spots. and i quote from memory: "we've known about this for a while and we've been preparing and will be just fine." Of course I don't have access to any data or even know what's a, "sufficient," number of rotation spots, so I can't verify personally. Just relaying. (FWIW: i don't think this admin had any reason to lie to me. the 2021 class isn't affected by it. you guys are. cusm's first class is the class of 2022, same as you guys.)
     
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    Any news? Currently in alternate list...
     
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    hey just got offered an interview, I submitted my II super late. Any interview tips or words of advice? Also is the pizza social thing worth going to?
     
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    any acceptance today?
     
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    When did the admissions committee got your application? and Which is the date of the interview?
    I also sent my secondary super late and I am still waiting. I want to know if I still have an opportunity.
     
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  17. aozil4

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    my app was processed 3/15, and my interview is mid April. Good luck!
     
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    Anyone know the average COMLEX scores (1-3)/pass rates for the most recent years?
     
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    Accepted. interviewed 3/1
     
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    Anyone who interviewed recently have any updates on whether they’ll actually be implementing the curriculum change this Fall?
     
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    +1
     
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    Hello prospective students! You will not find anything useful from official WesternU sources nor do you have much knowledge required to correctly interpret much of what you'd find. The most useful data would be seen in match lists, but purely to ascertain which residencies have historically accepted WesternU students. You will find that UCI and Loma Linda are very friendly to WesternU students. Another somewhat useful thing to look for are the strange outliers such as the Stanford Psych match this year. Side note: Curriculum always "changes". The only important thing is that they'll decrease OMM time from now on, yay!

    To save you some time regarding test scores, they are generally abysmal at DO schools. WesternU has some outliers who have outstanding scores and study habits that can be replicated, but for the most part, scores have more to do with the student and less to do with the curriculum (though having lots of OMM does steal time away from your study period). Currently, I will have 6 weeks of "dedicated" time unless I fail any upcoming OSCE's (which ~1/3rd of the class will do eventually), but a failure will only steal a couple of days due to remediation. 6 weeks and use of Anki, UFAP, and maybe one other lecture source should be enough to get at least a 230, even for the most potato-brained students.

    The average score at WesternU has been lower for various reasons, but mostly due to complete student ignorance (ie. not taking a CBSSA NBME practice exam during Spring Break to self-assess). I have classmates who want to complete a 3rd pass of ______ before really working on UWorld or taking an NBME - even if it means not starting until April. But for the average DO student, this will NOT help because they forget about the OMM and clinical time sinks that cut into their actual study period.

    TL;DR - too much Kool-Aid online. You have 1 job until June 2nd year - Kill the boards. If you think your humanism will stop you from closing doors on yourself before even getting interviews, you are wrong.
     
  25. Ash_de_Shiraz

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    did anyone get an interview today?
     
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    how long after paying deposit do you get assigned the edu email?
     
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    Mine took about 2 weeks.
     
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    I got mine in 3 days.
     
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    Does anyone know what the interview day schedule is like for the Pomona campus? Around what time do the actual interviews and MMIs happen?
     
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    Have all interview dates passed? If yes, anyone know if there's been any waitlist movement yet?
     
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    I know someone got call from the waiting list in June last year while packing to move out of California. They gave him 3 days decision to pay deposit. He unpacked and paid the deposit. So, be prepared if you really like Western U. You may have to change plan at the very last moment.
     
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    Should the 3/15 interview group be hearing back?
     
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    IIRC the coordinator said half would be hearing back in 3 weeks (yesterday), and the other half would hear back in 4 (next Thursday).
     
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    That’s what I’ve been hearing and what it’s looking like currently. It’s hard to fully commit/prepare to attend a different school when you’re hoping to get off the waitlist at this one. To all who have decided to attend other schools after being accepted at WesternU, please kindly let Admissions know so all of us freaking out on the waitlist have a shot ASAP :)
     
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    +1 please
     
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    Accepted. Interviewed 3/15
     
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    Is there a Facebook group for accepted students?
     
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    Can any current students comment on the average level scores?
     
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    Anyone else 3/15 hear back yet? I think I saw only one person on this thread so far
     
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    Do you know if they are planning to make class mandatory? That seems insane to me. DO's have it hard enough with all of the extra material they need to prepare for. Doesn't seem conducive to higher board scores even though maybe they think it is.
     
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    Not sure if you were there but they discussed this during interview. They lady just said there were going to be changes to the curriculum but she said typically their students comes once or twice a week to class. I wasn’t even aware they were trying to do something like that tbh.
     
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    First, despite my general disagreement with curriculum supporters, it is almost certain that the faculty know more about board prep than you. The strongest argument against their board prep is the possibly shady relationship with Kaplan, but that is minor.

    I've seen the study habits of many students across c/o 2019, 2020, and 2021 to know that having decent planning for long term retention is enough to make up for any "time loss" on non-Step 1 activity. I have classmates who still cram like college. They're the ones freaking out the most. You want to go balls-to-the-wall early to establish your class study time baseline and titrate the hours down to pass comfortably. Use the extra time to do QBank questions (non-UWorld) to "apply your knowledge".

    Step 1 is a racist, sexist, homophobic exam (not really). Every IV drug user has HepC. Every female without body hair complaining of infertility has androgen insensitivity and is actually an XY male. Every black woman is lupus or sarcoidosis. You need to program these buzzwords into your soul. That takes time due to high volume. UWorld teaches you how to think for the 40-50% of Step 1 that requires it. NBMEs are the most similar to the actual exam, but do not teach you how to think. You need to take the NBME practice exam AT YOUR PROMETRIC center to see if they let you look at notes during scheduled breaks when you take the actual exam (Diamond Bar does).

    Study group advice
    If you want an easy time in med school, you'll form a tight-knit group of 6-14 classmates who have a similar Step 1 goal and level of work ethic and you'll split up the 30-60 hours of lecture per exam. Each person will watch the actual lecture and pay close attention to what is emphasized in voice tone or on PPTs (half the professors blatantly give test questions if you pay attention). Then you automate the reviews, preferably with spaced repetition software like Anki. If you see a non-histo/embryology deck with more than 20 cards per hour, then that deck writer FAILED or doesn't understand the lecture. IDGAF what they say or what their grades are. My group averaged only four hours of lecture per exam. We relied on the cards we made and watched lectures casually if we felt like it. Most of us score 1-2 stdev above the mean on NBME and Kaplan cumulative exams and many of us are top half of class.

    If you do this, you WILL have time to complete the USMLE-Rx and Kaplan Q-bank Qs in that system during that class and get at least an 80% average. You'll be starting UWorld in Jan of second year at the latest and getting > 55% starting if you follow this advice, even if you are a potato. 40Qs, random, all topics, timed. Expect to take EVERY NBME (even offline ones). Sketchy micro/pharm and Pathoma are nice, but not the core.

    If you do something stupid like become a TA for "the MSPE letter" or any reason other than really really liking the class you're TA'ing for - you have zero excuse for complaining about not enough study time. We get 4 weeks minimum, but if you plan properly, you actually get 6-7 weeks with a few days of COMSAE and other semi-related activities. Not bad at all. Use those evenings to avoid burnout (Netflix, EtOH, etc.).

    With all of this info, there is no reason you can't get 230+ and still have a life. But you can't be prepared for something you have not even thought about properly (a lot of typical students).
     
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    Anyone interested in starting a PM group for pros/cons of schools? Made an excel spreadsheet comparing some schools and would love to collaborate and get new ideas/perspectives.
     
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    This question may come off as aggressive, but I am asking it because I am genuinely concerned about it. I liked WesternU and students boasted about how it is a good school, yet, it has an 81% graduation rate. Is that a reflection of the school or the students?
     
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    My biggest concern is the rotations here. It seems like you could end up needing to drive really far even in your third year .. with LA traffic I'm not sure how that leaves time to study. I'd love to hear more current student opinions.
     
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    It’s important to note that they’re reporting the 4 year graduation rate.

    Couldn’t find literature for DO schools, but the 4 year graduation rate for MD schools has hovered around the low 80s for almost the last 40 years. So, WesternU’s 4 year grad rate of 81% is just about average for medical schools. See link below:

    https://www.aamc.org/download/379220/data/may2014aib-graduationratesandattritionfactorsforusmedschools.pdf

    Reason for the low 80s average being that a decent number of students take a research year or time off, and some will of course need to remediate classes. 5 year grad rates jump much higher. So wouldn’t be concerned about this stat, it’s pretty normal...
     
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    You need to be very specific about what your number is. To clarify on GSWfan15's info on MD schools, only 1.5% fail to graduate due to academic reasons. This matches closely to what I have seen at WesternU.

    I can only speak for DO 2020 (~220 students), but here is what I know. I started 2nd year knowing about 5 students who were "held back". One student coauthored a book (fiction or something) and was traveling OOS for book signings and whatnot. I remember them having a tough time in anatomy, but w/e, they have a very good "excuse" for why they "repeated a year". Apparently, they're doing well now.

    I know 1 student who legit was performing poorly (actually came to me for help several times. but I *think* didn't take my advice on using Anki instead of paper until it was too late. I see him now with c/o 2021 and he's doing much better and actually using it afaik).

    1 student came from a family that owns a very small business and needed the student's help to cover for a parent whose health was deteriorating or else they'd lose the business. So they took an LOA.

    1 student disappeared and I dunno anything about them >.> not in a creepy way though. The other 2, I have never met either.

    We just lost 8 students yesterday. They became OMM/NMM fellows so they will graduate with 2021 and get like half tuition paid for or something. So 10 students (4.5%) so far in my class are held back for positive reasons as far as I can tell and 3 (1.3%) may be academically related.

    From what I have seen so far, most students who are part of your statistic are not graduating with their original class for a good reason. By FAFSA's definition, they are still counted as graduating "on-time". MOST med students delay graduation to do a research year btw, especially the really really good students gunning for ortho, derm, plastics, etc. so it might be bad to have a very high 4-yr grad rate because it means either there is no research or they don't allow it outside of combined degree programs.

    TL;DR - Apparently, we're normal for ANY US medical school.
     
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    Does western supply any of the medical equipment for first years? Or do we have to buy everything (stethoscope, optholmascope, etc)
     
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    How is the waiting list movement like here at Western? When can we hear back? Currently wait-listed. Thanks
     
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