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I think the site said they are used interchangeablySo if we’ve already been awarded a scholarship, will we be awarded a grant as well? Or are the scholarships and grants the same thing?
I think the site said they are used interchangeablySo if we’ve already been awarded a scholarship, will we be awarded a grant as well? Or are the scholarships and grants the same thing?
Lol thought the same. Maybe they're being a little conservative with how much they're dispersing and then somehow they'll "recalculate" and give more aid later.Same here. I was holding out for packages before I made my final decision. I thought UCSF was supposed to give good aid...
Lets hope. They’re having financial aid appointments at ASW as well, so that may be another chance for me to plead my case.Lol thought the same. Maybe they're being a little conservative with how much they're dispersing and then somehow they'll "recalculate" and give more aid later.
So if we’ve already been awarded a scholarship, will we be awarded a grant as well? Or are the scholarships and grants the same thing?
Not a current student, but it’s definitely affecting mine. Not because of arbitrary “prestige” or whatever, but because I feel like the “top” medical schools tend to treat their students better and in return the students tend to be happier and more well-adjusted. Just an observation though, not sure how much validity it has to it.Also I have a question for all of the students here, does UCSF’s ranking in USNWR have any impact on whether or not you are deciding to go here?
Not a current student, but it’s definitely affecting mine. Not because of arbitrary “prestige” or whatever, but because I feel like the “top” medical schools tend to treat their students better and in return the students tend to be happier and more well-adjusted. Just an observation though, not sure how much validity it has to it.
Also I have a question for all of the students here, does UCSF’s ranking in USNWR have any impact on whether or not you are deciding to go here?
I just feel like most of the horror stories I’ve heard about pimping and such have been from schools outside the T25 or so, which makes me think that higher ranked schools may be a bit “gentler” with their teaching methods? Kind of like how people who went to the Ivies for undergrad got their hand held more than people who went to large state schools.When you say “treat their students better” what exactly do you mean? If you don’t mind elaborating a bit
I just feel like most of the horror stories I’ve heard about pimping and such have been from schools outside the T25 or so, which makes me think that higher ranked schools may be a bit “gentler” with their teaching methods? Kind of like how people who went to the Ivies for undergrad got their hand held more than people who went to large state schools.
But I’m talking from the outside looking in so I don’t actually know what I’m talking about for real LMAO
Definitely some regional influence there as well, which is part of the reason why UCSF is my top choice.From what I've heard, it seems like the hierarchical culture is mostly a West Coast vs East Coast thing, but have also heard similar horror stories about rotations at lower quality hospitals (i.e. County vs University hospitals) being bad.
I just feel like most of the horror stories I’ve heard about pimping and such have been from schools outside the T25 or so, which makes me think that higher ranked schools may be a bit “gentler” with their teaching methods? Kind of like how people who went to the Ivies for undergrad got their hand held more than people who went to large state schools.
But I’m talking from the outside looking in so I don’t actually know what I’m talking about for real LMAO
Depending on one's personality type, I can definitely see it being a valuable teaching method as long as the preceptor isn't being overly malicious.There’s definitely some pimping, especially in surgery, but I don’t think it’s mean spirited the way it might be in some places? And I say that as someone who hates pimping and finds it a terrible way to stimulate learning.
Depending on one's personality type, I can definitely see it being a valuable teaching method as long as the preceptor isn't being overly malicious.
There’s definitely some pimping, especially in surgery, but I don’t think it’s mean spirited the way it might be in some places? And I say that as someone who hates pimping and finds it a terrible way to stimulate learning.
Asking tough questions of medical students in front of the group (and sometimes even patients) while on clinical rotation.I’m sorry if this is a dumb question lol but what exactly do you mean by pimping in this context? Lmao I’m asking cuz these are things I haven’t really considered before and this is all quite interesting me to me?
Honors received on clinical rotations + extracurricular/leadership involvement, broadly speaking.For current students at UCSF on this thread, or anyone who may be knowledgeable, how is it determined who gets AOA at UCSF?
Honors received on clinical rotations + extracurricular/leadership involvement, broadly speaking.
For current students at UCSF on this thread, or anyone who may be knowledgeable, how is it determined who gets AOA at UCSF?
Yes financial freedom is good. But isn’t pursuing my dream school even more important? And doesn’t going to UCSF give me a better chance of matching into my dream speciality which is very competitive since it is T5 vs T20
Yes financial freedom is good. But isn’t pursuing my dream school even more important? And doesn’t going to UCSF give me a better chance of matching into my dream speciality which is very competitive since it is T5 vs T20
Thank you! I would be happier at the school that gives me a better chance at my dream speciality. I have shadowed my uncle for years and have loved what his work life balance and what he has accomplished. Money comes and goes but my opportunity to match into this speciality is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I also like the environment of UCSF a lot better. It was by far the most chill school that I interviewed at and San Francisco seems like an awesome place to live in. I like the other T20 school as well, but it’s hard to beat the Cali vibe. I guess my main question is would going to a T5 give any matching preference over the T20 for competitive specialities
In the email, it said we can apply still if we are admitted after April 5th.Can you still apply for COLS if you’re waitlisted?
In the email, it said we can apply still if we are admitted after April 5th.
Also my heart skipped a few beats when I thought I had missed an email saying I got accepted. I'm guessing they sent this to waitlisted students too
Ahh for some reason in my mind I thought “apply later” meant like “it’s ok, you can try next year”In the email, it said we can apply still if we are admitted after April 5th.
Also my heart skipped a few beats when I thought I had missed an email saying I got accepted. I'm guessing they sent this to waitlisted students too
Got the COLS email but was rejected earlier in December post-interview. Anyone else rejected get the COLS email?
Can a current student comment on the relatively low step scores for UCSF compared to other top schools? I'm thinking maybe the Bridges curriculum doesn't prepare students as well as some of the peer schools but would love some perspective on this!
I believe it has to do with what @Reyluvbry said. The bridges curriculum, as with most other curricula, prepares you to be a good doctor, not to get a high step score, so the average step scores depend on the study skills of the student and how much they put in to getting their scores. I’m not a student here yet though so if anything take my advice with a grain of salt!
At that point, I'd personally go with the full ride. The difference between a top 20 and a top 5 is not as great as you all think, and that's a lot of debt to unnecessary saddle yourself with. But it depends on how much financial independence in your future career matters to you!Also, the difference in tuition is full ride vs all loans
Something to keep in mind with Step scores is that a significant proportion of UCSF students are interested in primary cares specialties, so they don't feel the pressure to study crazy hard to gun for a 255.
You can also see in the link below that the average step score of UCSF in 2016 was identical to Hopkins and Stanford. A few points difference in average step score doesn't really mean anything. For the most part, you'll be studying for Step 1 on your own at any school and the step score average is more indicative of how hard students studied for it (based on what specialty they want to go into) more than any individual difference between the curriculum of the top schools. And the UCSF name definitely helps when it comes to applying to residency programs.
School Average Step 1 vs USNWR Rank
Data: USNWR Research rankings 2018, USNWR reported step 1 average 2016 Hi guys, there is an ongoing reddit thread with a list of school's step 1 averages. S/o to @Serine_Minor for posting each school's average from USNWR data. I took the liberty to organize the data a little bit and thought I'd...forums.studentdoctor.net
As the poster above me mentioned, UCSF also recently switched to taking Step 1 after a year of clerkships and no data has been published about that yet. But if you're concerned about being able to match into a competitive speciality out of UCSF, you shouldn't be! Any of the top twenty schools will give you a great chance to match into a good program as long as you do well.
Something to keep in mind with Step scores is that a significant proportion of UCSF students are interested in primary cares specialties, so they don't feel the pressure to study crazy hard to gun for a 255.
You can also see in the link below that the average step score of UCSF in 2016 was identical to Hopkins and Stanford. A few points difference in average step score doesn't really mean anything. For the most part, you'll be studying for Step 1 on your own at any school and the step score average is more indicative of how hard students studied for it (based on what specialty they want to go into) more than any individual difference between the curriculum of the top schools. And the UCSF name definitely helps when it comes to applying to residency programs.
School Average Step 1 vs USNWR Rank
Data: USNWR Research rankings 2018, USNWR reported step 1 average 2016 Hi guys, there is an ongoing reddit thread with a list of school's step 1 averages. S/o to @Serine_Minor for posting each school's average from USNWR data. I took the liberty to organize the data a little bit and thought I'd...forums.studentdoctor.net
As the poster above me mentioned, UCSF also recently switched to taking Step 1 after a year of clerkships and no data has been published about that yet. But if you're concerned about being able to match into a competitive speciality out of UCSF, you shouldn't be! Any of the top twenty schools will give you a great chance to match into a good program as long as you do well.
I am part of that "first class of Bridges". Yes, we get 8 protected weeks now. Many of us took less than that. Some people found a way to make it 12. I don't have insider data yet but anecdotally many of us were very pleased with our scores.
Please don't worry about step when making this decision.
Right now it's P/F for third year rotations for c/o 2021 and beyond, H/P/F fourth year but things might change since like others have mentioned, this is the first year the school has gone P/F clerkships. Honestly I don't know how this would affect residency apps since my class still got grades, maybe one of the MS2/3s on here can comment if they know.Thanks for your input. Would you please briefly comment on the new grading system for our clinical years? Is it p/np for all MS3 rotations? How does this affect residency applications? Are we graded during our 4th year? thank you!
Right now it's P/F for third year rotations for c/o 2021 and beyond, H/P/F fourth year but things might change since like others have mentioned, this is the first year the school has gone P/F clerkships. Honestly I don't know how this would affect residency apps since my class still got grades, maybe one of the MS2/3s on here can comment if they know.
holyyy...congrats! That must be so exciting. Def was not expecting WL movement before the deadline.Received an acceptance email last week. Couldn't be more excited, my first choice! I was on the waitlist since January and was completely caught off guard. Looking forward to meeting some of my future classmates later this month!