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Who do I address a LOI to?
Dear X School Admissions Committee,Who do I address a LOI to?
I believe it isIs CASPER required for the secondary application?
I interviewed January 27th and got a response on February 20thDoes anyone know how long it takes to hear back? It has been a while.
how is the waitlist movement here?
is it just a soft R?
Anyone else going to second look day next month? Would love to meet some future classmates
I didn't know that there was a second look day next month! Did you receive an email about it?Anyone else going to second look day next month? Would love to meet some future classmates
I did!I didn't know that there was a second look day next month! Did you receive an email about it?
Did the committee give you a decision or were you placed on the waitlist?I interviewed January 27th and got a response on February 20th
I didn't know that there was a second look day next month! Did you receive an email about it?
I did too, 2 days ago
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I'm bummed that I did not get an email about that yet. I accepted and put in a deposit as well.
I just received an IIOut of curiosity, are they still sending out IIs?
I found the admissions office to be receptive to requests. Is this waitlist post-II? Email them and explain the situation. Don't tell them to inform you now. Ask if they could tell you about the usual timeline to hear back from the school.So my application process is pretty unique, but I'm currently on the waitlist, and I need to get off asap. I'm currently not a NY resident so if I do attend, I'll need to move to NY. I'm a single parent so I'll be moving with my kid, and need to get her enrolled in school. The schools nearby that I sent applications to (in faith) get back to me April 1st, and I need to give them an answer to whether or not my kid will be attending by mid April, if not we lose our slot. Waiting till end of May to answer them significantly reduces my kid's chances of getting in. Is there a way, or someone, I can explain this too without sounding like a total douche? Like I would really be fine with a yes or a no, but obviously I'll prefer to get in. And I would also like my kid to go to a good school and not just some random last minute school. Any advice would be great.
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I did call them, and the lady said they absolutely don't look at the waitlist till after May 15th, and I know this to be untrue cuz a couple of people on here have gotten off recently. But I mean I wasn't argue with her.I found the admissions office to be receptive to requests. Is this waitlist post-II? Email them and explain the situation. Don't tell them to inform you now. Ask if they could tell you about the usual timeline to hear back from the school.
I heard back yesterday which was 4 weeks exactly for me. (Interviewed 2/5)Is it normally right at four weeks as the earliest to hear back from them post-interview? they said 4-6 weeks at the interview and was hoping that sometimes its sooner
Did you receive an email about your decision yet?Interviewed Jan 29th, waiting to hear still. They said 4-6 weeks though.
When is second look day?Anyone else going to second look day next month? Would love to meet some future classmates
NopeDid you receive an email about your decision yet?
I'll be thereAnyone else going to second look day next month? Would love to meet some future classmates
@dorster I got a few questions about your experience when attending Touro:
- Would you recommend living close to school or how common is it for people to live in Brooklyn or Queens and commute to school?
- Do most students move outside of the city for clinical rotations in 3rd year?
- What is your view on the flipped classroom model? Is it difficult to watch lectures at home and then still have to attend classes?
- What has been your experience with the school administration?
- Any general advice/suggestion for an incoming student?
Thank you so so much!
@dorster Hey, thanks for taking the time to answer our questions. A few weeks ago @chrislin asked a few questions. I appreciate if you could answer those questions.
"1) How are the clinical rotation sites? Are there any large teaching hospitals? How can I determine whether the sites are good or not? I know the majority of the sites are situated quite far from Manhattan, and far from each other. Is it a lotto system? Do students do short-term rentals and move every couple months if one were to receive a Long Island site and then a New Jersey site? Does the school do anything to prevent situations like these from happening?
2) Are students encouraged to take the USMLE?
3) Is the school doing anything to address the below average COMLEX 2 scores? Is it possible that the COMLEX 2 score is a result of poor clinical rotation sites?
4) For OMS1/2, do you mind sharing a gist of your schedule? How does your day go? Do you feel like you spend more time studying/going over lectures due to the flipped classroom structure?
5) Is the area safe, going to the school early in the morning and leaving the school in the evening. The OSM1 students gave us mixed response; one outright laughed and said it wasn't safe knowing it was Harlem, while the other felt he never had any problems. Do you know of any things we should be wary of if we were to attend this school?"
Could you also inform us about the cost of living in NY? Why did you choose Touro if you don't mind me asking? Is the Harlem campus better than Middletown? I have an interview coming up at Harlem, but after seeing COMLEX Level 1 First Time Pass Rates - 2012-2016, I feel like I should have chosen Middletown when submitting my secondary application. Once again, thank you for your time.
So all of my answers might not hold true for the current school situation as like I said I graduated a few years ago, but I can answer to my experience.
"1) How are the clinical rotation sites? Are there any large teaching hospitals? How can I determine whether the sites are good or not? I know the majority of the sites are situated quite far from Manhattan, and far from each other. Is it a lotto system? Do students do short-term rentals and move every couple months if one were to receive a Long Island site and then a New Jersey site? Does the school do anything to prevent situations like these from happening?
- So we do have a lottery system. You basically rank your preferences and the school does its best to allow students their first 1 or two choices on location and you also rank the choices based on the yearly schedule. So for example if you're really interested in surgery you might want your 3rd year surgery rotation later in the year so you can be familiar with how rotations work first. So you don't just rank the location you also rank by the schedule you want. I got my first choice and so did the majority of my friends. I know Touro Harlem has lost some rotation sites, as have other MD and DO schools. Theres always negotiations ongoing to secure new rotation spots and sometimes locations are lost as well. When I was there - major if students rotated in NJ at a consortium of hospitals- Englewood Hosp, Palisades, etc. Now I'm not sure as I think Seton Hall /Hackensack medical school may be taking over some of those sites. Lots of students rotated at Staten Island University Hospital. All of these hospitals have residency programs and fellowships. IDK if I would call them large academic centers, but they do give the experience of working with residents and fellows which is important. Students rotated also in Brooklyn at Brookdale and some in Long Island at Southhampton. Also Good Samaritan. As you can see none of these sites are in Manhattan so yes majority of students move during 3rd and 4th year. Usually, you stay at one site for the entire 3rd year so you don't have to worry about moving mid year. Sometimes you might need to commute further for one rotation (ex: OB/GYN was only done at palisades hospital in NJ even when students were assigned Staten Island for the rest of the rotations). Everything was within the Manhattan area though so the commute was doable.
2) Are students encouraged to take the USMLE?
-No. If anything the school stresses the importance of COMLEX. However, that being said our faculty teaches all the same topics as any other MD or DO school, so Its not like youre learning different material for the 2 exams. The exams are very similar in what subject matter is covered. Majority of students take both, but the school doesn't care whether you take USMLE or not. It just opens up your residency options to have both USMLE and COMLEX. Residencies that were historically MD only, will not know how to compare you with the COMLEX scores only so USMLE is important for that. Now that USMLE step 1 is pass / fail, you probably shouldn't take that. The only reason to take it was for the score comparison.
3) Is the school doing anything to address the below average COMLEX 2 scores? Is it possible that the COMLEX 2 score is a result of poor clinical rotation sites?
-They implemented more lectures during OMS3 for us to try to improve COMLEX 2 scores. They had more review sessions with Dr. Fischer as well. I do think it probably has to do with the clinical rotations. Its not so much that the clinical rotations are sub par compared to other schools its just that some of the rotation sites didn't have formal MS3 level lectures throughout the day, where thats done at other programs. That being said most of the board prep for Level 2 is self directed. You use UWORLD to study which is a question bank. Idk why the scores were lower, on level 2 compared to 1 but I think its also that level 1 was always more stressed as being the important factor for residency apps. People probably just slacked off on level 2 studying. Now that Step 1 is pass / fail you will probably see more test prep companies designed for step 2. Im sure those scores will improve.
4) For OMS1/2, do you mind sharing a gist of your schedule? How does your day go? Do you feel like you spend more time studying/going over lectures due to the flipped classroom structure?
- This seems so long ago to me now haha like a lifetime away (lol) so I think you should ask this of someone in the school now. For me year 1 was basic sciences mixed with lots of OMM. Year 2 was more clinical related courses. Your in classes all day Tues- Thurs. Monday was our exams day. There were exams almost every Monday in MS1 and MS2. Fridays we had off to study for the most part. We studied mostly all day Fri,Sat,Sun then exams on Monday. Flipped classroom, I think I already addressed in my post above. I liked the flipped classroom, and thought it improve the ability to absorb more info in a short amount of time.
5) Is the area safe, going to the school early in the morning and leaving the school in the evening. The OSM1 students gave us mixed response; one outright laughed and said it wasn't safe knowing it was Harlem, while the other felt he never had any problems. Do you know of any things we should be wary of if we were to attend this school?"
- The area is fairly safe. I wouldn't walk around alone at night. We always left school in a group of people if it was dark out. I never felt unsafe, but there's always issues with safety in any big city. Harlem is getting much more expensive and also safer. Just don't be dumb like any big city. I wouldn't want to live in Harlem personally, but I know other students that did live close to the school. The east side of 125th st is less safe. If you do live in Harlem I would stick to the west side or close to the school. Upper West Side is convenient and close enough to the school, but also a bit safer. Its of course more expensive, you would need roommates or if you live in a studio expect to pay a lot of money (~2500+ a month).
Could you also inform us about the cost of living in NY?
-See above. Its expensive, there's no getting around that. You will likely need to use all your loan money available. Rent is probably 1500 if you share an apartment. A studio on your own probably starts at ~2500. Harlem is less expensive or Washington heights, Upper East side. More expensive areas are Upper west side, Mid Town, Chelsea, Union Square, etc. Everything including food in the city is expensive.
Why did you choose Touro if you don't mind me asking?
- I chose Touro because I'm from the area and wanted to stay living in the city due to my significant other working in the city. Also I liked the school itself when I interviewed. I wanted to stay in NYC for residency and I knew the school had a good reputation in the area. This held true and I had an easy time finding many residency options in the area that were pretty competitive.
Is the Harlem campus better than Middletown?
- I only experienced Harlem so I can't say. Middletown is definitely a different experience as its in a rural area about an hour and a half from the city. Not much to do in Middletown. Harlem is the exact opposite. Middletown has newer and bigger facilities - a dorm, their own hospital basically. Harlem you don't get the fancy appearance but your in arguable the best city in the world Its a trade off.
I have an interview coming up at Harlem, but after seeing COMLEX Level 1 First Time Pass Rates - 2012-2016, I feel like I should have chosen Middletown when submitting my secondary application.
-The lectures are exactly the same and the education is exactly the same at both schools. Professors are the same. You literally watch the same lectures. The only difference being the actual makeup of that years student body and I guess the culture of the actual programs. So it really doesn't matter. You will be just as successful at either program.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions.
You mentioned that we probably shouldn't take USMLE anymore but I thought we actually have to take it now because of the MD/DO merger.
Oh ok got it. Thank you!I don't think USMLE will ever be required for DO's. We just don't need it for licensing. I didn't say don't take USMLE. I just mean you probably don't need to take USMLE step 1. You'll still most likely need USMLE step 2 since that will be scored. The score is the way they rank you and decide to interview you or not for residency. If USMLE step 1 is just pass/fail it won't really matter for getting a residency. Since just passing Step 1 should be pretty easy.
I thought the new rule is that you have to take step 1 in order to take step 2, can we really skip step 1 and directly take step 2?I don't think USMLE will ever be required for DO's. We just don't need it for licensing. I didn't say don't take USMLE. I just mean you probably don't need to take USMLE step 1. You'll still most likely need USMLE step 2 since that will be scored. The score is the way they rank you and decide to interview you or not for residency. If USMLE step 1 is just pass/fail it won't really matter for getting a residency. Since just passing Step 1 should be pretty easy.
I thought the new rule is that you have to take step 1 in order to take step 2, can we really skip step 1 and directly take step 2?
also is complex level1 and2 really the same as step 1 and 2?
(obviously step doesn’t test OMM, I’m asking what other differences are there between step and complex)
I called and they said they start looking at it mid MayAny waitlist movement yet?
After May 15thIs there a date/time they are more likely to send out decisions on?
I'm not sure if there is a new rule, but from what I saw people were able to take Step 2 without Step 1 during my time! Comlex 1 and 2 test the same subject material (other than OMM) as the USMLE steps. The differences are in the question style and length (and the question grammar, lol COMLEX is kind of subpar in whoever is making the questions) but over all the subject matter is exactly the same. Maybe COMLEX is more heavy based in certain areas, for example COMLEX loved specific infectious disease questions that seemed really random. At least in my experience.
Does that mean that anyone can attend if they have the link? Cuz I wouldn't mind that lolSecond look canceled due to coronavirus. It is being moved online/virtually.
is that for waitlist? I was meaning a day that they send out post-interview decisions? like is it always on a monday or thursday....After May 15th
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Do you know if interviews will be canceled as well?Second look canceled due to coronavirus. It is being moved online/virtually.
Oh, my bad. Idk if there's a specific day, but I heard back on a Tuesdayis that for waitlist? I was meaning a day that they send out post-interview decisions? like is it always on a monday or thursday....