3.4 GPA Late Decision Premed

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I am currently a senior and soon to be graduate from a well-respected public university after transferring form a small private university. I will be graduating with a BSBA specializing in Finance and Investment Management with a minor in Engineering Sciences. I currently have a 3.4 GPA and ~3.0 Science GPA, depending on which classes will factor in. I will be returning after I graduate to finish 2 OChem and 2 Physics classes I still have left for my premed reqs. To sum up my current situation;
  • 3.4 GPa
  • ~3.0 Science GPA
  • 12 hours shadow experience w/ an orthopedic surgeon and plan to have over 40 by time of application
  • Zero Research currently, hope to fix this
  • Interned for an investment bank in Australia last summer... which led to my doctoral realization
  • Well-connected parents, both DO's (not too prideful for nepotism if necessary)
  • Medium-Strong extracurriculars; Varsity Soccer - 2 years, Club soccer - 2 years, Fraternity, membership in a couple school organizations, plan to start a student sports medicine organization for next year (my primary medical interest as well as providing a leadership experience)
  • Will be taking the newly reformatted MCAT in the spring/summer of 2015 and applying for fall of 2016 (after 5 years of undergrad, one year of continuing education, and one gap year)
Due to my less than ideal application, I believe DO schools with give my application a more serious look but I will plan on applying to many schools with MD/DO not being a selling point. I am wondering what kind of strategy anyone would suggest to strengthen my application and getting into medical school. If anyone has insight into my current chances of medical school acceptance, or what MCAT score I need to achieve, I would be happy to listen.

Future Orthopedic Surgeon.
 
You have a very tough road ahead of you if you really want to be an Ortho Surgeon... For one of the most competitive residencies out there, you often not only need a stellar step 1 performance and clinical reviews (way down the line from where you are now), but also usually want at least a semi-strong to strong school name due to the need for recognition and strong research/etc. Also, I am not completely sure, but I believe DO schools don't have a great interview/match rate to Ortho. Not to completely dissuade you, but the mere fact that your gpa is already low enough that you will likely have a challenging time getting into any MD programs means that you have a big challenge ahead.

It's great that you already seem to be passionate about soccer, but generally you want to have done a decent amount of time in 1) Volunteering, 2) Clinical Experience, and 3) Research. It isn't written in stone that you have to do all of these, but unfortunately you haven't really done any of these at this point. The good news is that you have 2 years from now to really fill in those gaps, and adcoms really like to see continuity in your activities vs. mad rush efforts to check the box off. So of course I would recommend to do everything possible to raise your ugrad gpa as much as possible, if you can do the prereq's in a manner that would show them as ugrad work vs post-bacc, I would highly recommend it, so that you will have a smaller chance of getting rejected pre-primary/secondary simply because your gpa's (esp sgpa) are so low. Of course try to do as very well on the MCAT as possible to try to make up for a lower gpa. But other than that, start working on w/e above 3 things you can, and begin to try to really show why a career in medicine is the right choice for you, and that it is something you have really thought about, and want to do, rather than a "I don't like business" and it seemed like an ok fallback.
 
Perhaps this is just a personal bias/philosophy but I believe the holistic approach DO schools take in there education process is beneficial to an Orthopedic education when it comes to treating people. I have not heard, however, of certain specialities being more suited to an MD/DO degree.
 
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[QUOTE generally you want to have done a decent amount of time in 1) Volunteering, 2) Clinical Experience, and 3) Research. It isn't written in stone that you have to do all of these, but unfortunately you haven't really done any of these at this point. The good news is that you have 2 years from now to really fill in those gaps, and adcoms really like to see continuity in your activities vs. mad rush efforts to check the box off. So of course I would recommend to do everything possible to raise your ugrad gpa as much as possible, if you can do the prereq's in a manner that would show them as ugrad work vs post-bacc, I would highly recommend it, so that you will have a smaller chance of getting rejected pre-primary/secondary simply because your gpa's (esp sgpa) are so low. Of course try to do as very well on the MCAT as possible to try to make up for a lower gpa. But other than that, start working on w/e above 3 things you can, and begin to try to really show why a career in medicine is the right choice for you, and that it is something you have really thought about, and want to do, rather than a "I don't like business" and it seemed like an ok fallback.[/QUOTE]

First off, thank you for the quick response. I have done odd volunteering jobs throughout school but nothing regular or continuous. I believe my shadow experience (with a DO ortho surgeon) will count towards clinical experience in the eyes of admission committees. Research, however, is a top priority for me right now.
Unfortunately I have been at 2 different schools and have accumulated roughly 160 credits so my cumulative GPA is rather inelastic, to the point that straight A's for the remainder of my classes will not increase my GPA to a 3.5, however it would be extremely beneficial for my science GPA.
Is thee a specific MCAT range you could recommend that would compensate for the lack of a strong GPA?
 
First off, thank you for the quick response. I have done odd volunteering jobs throughout school but nothing regular or continuous. I believe my shadow experience (with a DO ortho surgeon) will count towards clinical experience in the eyes of admission committees. Research, however, is a top priority for me right now.
Unfortunately I have been at 2 different schools and have accumulated roughly 160 credits so my cumulative GPA is rather inelastic, to the point that straight A's for the remainder of my classes will not increase my GPA to a 3.5, however it would be extremely beneficial for my science GPA.
Is thee a specific MCAT range you could recommend that would compensate for the lack of a strong GPA?
You can't compensate for a lower GPA unless you have like a 40... MD schools can get people with high GPAs AND high MCAT scores AND tthose who have well balanced ECs.
 
Perhaps this is just a personal bias/philosophy but I believe the holistic approach DO schools take in there education process is beneficial to an Orthopedic education when it comes to treating people. I have not heard, however, of certain specialities being more suited to an MD/DO degree.

I saw a thread somewhat recently that had residency interview statistics and what percentage of programs reported interviewing DO students vs MD, and Ortho was one of the very lowest iirc. Again, not trying to dissuade you, but you might want to look more into it before applying to schools, it would suck to go into a program and end up finding out the odds are greatly stacked against you to do what you want to do. But, like I said, I don't really know for sure as I never looked deeply into the DO matching Ortho area, I'm sure there are at least some occurrences.

First off, thank you for the quick response. I have done odd volunteering jobs throughout school but nothing regular or continuous. I believe my shadow experience (with a DO ortho surgeon) will count towards clinical experience in the eyes of admission committees. Research, however, is a top priority for me right now.
Unfortunately I have been at 2 different schools and have accumulated roughly 160 credits so my cumulative GPA is rather inelastic, to the point that straight A's for the remainder of my classes will not increase my GPA to a 3.5, however it would be extremely beneficial for my science GPA.
Is thee a specific MCAT range you could recommend that would compensate for the lack of a strong GPA?
40 hours shadowing is generally considered okish, some will recommend you get more than that, and maybe more importantly, shadow different types of doctors so you have more experience than with 1 doctor, in 1 particular specialty and situation.

You may want to find one of the ask an adcom member threads and see if someone has already asked (likely), or ask yourself, specifically about the number of hours and what they like to see, but from my reading, it generally seems like they want much more than 40 hours of clinical experience. You should also try to find some volunteering you are passionate about, and really look to make a bigger, more continuous commitment to them if you would like to make your application as competitive as possible. I don't mean to tell you that you have to conform to the cookie cutter method, but there is good, established reason to believe adcoms desire to see these experiences, and for significant amounts of time, and thus trying to fulfill them doing something you enjoy would likely be very beneficial to you.

I definitely can relate to it being difficult to raise your cgpa as an upperclassman, but definitely do your best since not only will it help your cgpa and sgpa, but you can also work to show a good upward trend - which adcoms do recognize.

MCAT is really hard to predict unless you have set schools you are trying to get into, but most people like to say 30+, but obviously the better you do, the better your situation. I would recommend just trying your absolute best in preparing for the mcat, a lot of people set expectations of wanting to get a 35+ or something, but with something as variable as taking the mcat for a few hours, one day, it is really hard to count on getting a certain score.

You can't compensate for a lower GPA unless you have like a 40... MD schools can get people with high GPAs AND high MCAT scores AND tthose who have well balanced ECs.
40+ is a bit extreme, a 38 or so is already like 99th percentile, really anything 35+ is a very strong mcat score unless you are applying to the very top schools
 
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