3.69 cgpa 3.66 sgpa MCAT :505

[drabberbadge]

do I have a shot at any MD schools? LizzyM~65

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[Goro]

I would recommend these:

Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)

Oakland U Beaumont

Loyola

Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)

WVU

MCW

Creighton

VCU

Albany

Your state school(s).

Any DO school. I can't recommend Touro-NY, or LUCOM, for different reasons. Do keep in mind that beggars can't be choosy.

 

[drabberbadge]

is it too late to add the schools now in november?

 

[drabberbadge]

I would recommend these:

Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)

Oakland U Beaumont

Loyola

Loma Linda (only if you are SDA or a very devout Christian)

WVU

MCW

Creighton

VCU

Albany

Your state school(s).

Any DO school. I can't recommend Touro-NY, or LUCOM, for different reasons. Do keep in mind that beggars can't be choosy.

Do I have a chance at UCLA if I'm from california?

 

[Optimist Prime]

Do I have a chance at UCLA if I'm from california?

not a good chance. Unless you're URM or something.

 

[PossibleDOC?]

In cali MCAT and GPA has got to be almost perfect.....like goro said beggers can't be choosey add some DO schools and you should be good

 

[drabberbadge]

In cali MCAT and GPA has got to be almost perfect.....like goro said beggers can't be choosey add some DO schools and you should be good

i already got accepted to nsu and rvu utah (deciding between the two) a few other DO interviews lined up but no MD schools
I havent heard back from any MD's yet , is it my MCAT score preventing me?

 

[nezpas]

Consider schools that do not place too much emphasis on stats. My LizzyM is ~60 and I got into an MD school.

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

Consider schools that do not place too much emphasis on stats. My LizzyM is ~60 and I got into an MD school.

Are you URM, from a lucky state, or have a significant EC (military or something)?

 

[nezpas]

Are you URM, from a lucky state, or have a significant EC (military or something)?

I guess I am URM (didn't know this when I initially applied though because I didn't know what it meant). I'm from GA with very basic ECs (my opinion).

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

Being a URM is essentially like adding 10 points on to your LM

 

[Goro]

Do I have a chance at UCLA if I'm from california?

I doubt it. Everybody wants to go to UCLA.

i already got accepted to nsu and rvu utah (deciding between the two) a few other DO interviews lined up but no MD schools
I havent heard back from any MD's yet , is it my MCAT score preventing me?

It's well < median for MD acceptees.

Get a DO accept and you'll be a doctor. You DO want to be a doctor, right?

 

[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

Being a URM is essentially like adding 10 points on to your LM

10 points???? No way. The URM thing is way overhyped. Does it help? Almost certainly. But the difference between a LizzyM of 65 and a LizzyM of 75 is astronomical even if it’s the most URM of all time vs. standard white affluent male

 

[Walter Raleigh]

10 points???? No way. The URM thing is way overhyped. Does it help? Almost certainly. But the difference between a LizzyM of 65 and a LizzyM of 75 is astronomical even if it’s the most URM of all time vs. standard white affluent male

Ten points: that's going from a 508 and 3.5 to a 518 and 3.8. No, it's not that big a boost, unless you're SES disadvantaged as well. I'd say it's in the range of 5 to 8 LizzyM points. If "most URM of all time" means some African refugee who lived in poverty and worked full-time through school to support his younger siblings, then I could see 10 points for that Lifetime-worthy story.

 

[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

Ten points: that's going from a 508 and 3.5 to a 518 and 3.8. No, it's not that big a boost, unless you're SES disadvantaged as well. I'd say it's in the range of 5 to 8 LizzyM points. If "most URM of all time" means some African refugee who lived in poverty and worked full-time through school to support his younger siblings, then I could see 10 points for that Lifetime-worthy story.

agree

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

Yes it 100% adds a huge boost. Show me a nonURM applicant without a military background or soemthing getting an MD acceptance with a 501. AA applicants with MCATs above a 510 are advised to apply to Ivy League and top tier med schools, a nonURM with a 510 still struggles to get into ANY MD school let alone an ivy


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[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

Yes it 100% adds a huge boost. Show me a nonURM applicant without a military background or soemthing getting an MD acceptance with a 501. AA applicants with MCATs above a 510 are advised to apply to Ivy League and top tier med schools, a nonURM with a 510 still struggles to get into ANY MD school let alone an ivy


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Anyone with a 510+ has an excellent chance of attending MD, but yes at the upper limits of the MCAT/when applying ivy it becomes more important

 

[drabberbadge]

How about individuals with a 505 and a decent gpa (3.7) + a masters degree (3.66) ?
Just curious how much my mcat is holding me back

 

[nezpas]

Being a URM is essentially like adding 10 points on to your LM

10 points???? No way. The URM thing is way overhyped. Does it help? Almost certainly. But the difference between a LizzyM of 65 and a LizzyM of 75 is astronomical even if it’s the most URM of all time vs. standard white affluent male

Ten points: that's going from a 508 and 3.5 to a 518 and 3.8. No, it's not that big a boost, unless you're SES disadvantaged as well. I'd say it's in the range of 5 to 8 LizzyM points. If "most URM of all time" means some African refugee who lived in poverty and worked full-time through school to support his younger siblings, then I could see 10 points for that Lifetime-worthy story.

Yes it 100% adds a huge boost. Show me a nonURM applicant without a military background or soemthing getting an MD acceptance with a 501. AA applicants with MCATs above a 510 are advised to apply to Ivy League and top tier med schools, a nonURM with a 510 still struggles to get into ANY MD school let alone an ivy


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Well then. I'll just be quiet and....

 

[PossibleDOC?]

Sorry buddy but URM with half decent stats is essentially a guarantee entrance to MD or DO....Ive seen people with lower scores than mine and GPAs get into better schools.

 

[PossibleDOC?]

How about individuals with a 505 and a decent gpa (3.7) + a masters degree (3.66) ?
Just curious how much my mcat is holding me back

Your MCAT is ehh it could be better but if you have DO acceptances then don't retake....just be happy you go in somewhere and go..........being in cali isn't helping and trying to leave the area is tough because most states like their own

 

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[tapatio4life]

do I have a shot at any MD schools? LizzyM~65

Med school => money trap. The baby boomer generation abused their powers; now the minorities run the show and they don't like whites, they don't like doctors getting to rich and they don't event want docs to have hospital lounges anymore...too luxurious.

Bottom line => If you are a minority who is passionate about equalizing care for other minorities you will excell in medicine. If your white you are viewed to a much higher standard and will have to work harder at every step of the way

 

[drabberbadge]

Med school => money trap. The baby boomer generation abused their powers; now the minorities run the show and they don't like whites, they don't like doctors getting to rich and they don't event want docs to have hospital lounges anymore...too luxurious.

Bottom line => If you are a minority who is passionate about equalizing care for other minorities you will excell in medicine. If your white you are viewed to a much higher standard and will have to work harder at every step of the way

I am a South African Middle Eastern Looking(not middle eastern though) American, would I be considered a minority? (family is from south africa)

 

[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

It depends on where on the AAMC data charts you look but, for example, if we look at median LizzyM AA applicants and ask what LizzyM a white applicant would need to have the same odds of admission, 5-8 LizzyM points is about right.

AA with around a 25 MCAT (old scale) and a 3.5 (these are very close to the medians for all applicants) has a 51% chance of admission as per AAMC. This is a LizzyM of 60. For white applicants, it's 14%. For white applicants they don't cross the 51% threshold until maybe around a 32 with the same GPA, so LizzyM 67. ~7 point advantage to the AA candidate. The advantage surely shrinks at higher LizzyMs since the odds will all be converging at a number close to but under 100%.

Disclaimer: I am taking no stand one way or the other on the eternal SDN debate on the morality of AA. Just commenting on a way, mathematically, the above question may be answered. Data is from here:

Table A-24: MCAT and GPA Grid for Applicants and Acceptees by Selected Race and Ethnicity, 2013-2014 through 2015-2016 (Aggregated) - Applicants and Matriculants Data - FACTS: Applicants, Matriculants, Enrollment, Graduates, MD/PhD, and Residency Applicants Data - Data and Analysis - AAMC

Those stats are incredibly inflated due to the many assured acceptance programs that target African Americans and Hispanics. Easy mistake to make, though.

 

[878956]

10 points???? No way. The URM thing is way overhyped. Does it help? Almost certainly. But the difference between a LizzyM of 65 and a LizzyM of 75 is astronomical even if it’s the most URM of all time vs. standard white affluent male

This. URM is way overhyped. I’m a URM with a LizzyM of appproximately 68-72 and I have a had seven rejections this cycle. It’s not the golden ticket people make it out to be.
I have 2 research publications, an abstract and have been silenced from a majority of schools this cycle.

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

This. URM is way overhyped. I’m a URM with a LizzyM of appproximately 68-72 and I have a had seven rejections this cycle. It’s not the golden ticket people make it out to be.
I have 2 research publications, an abstract and have been silenced from a majority of schools this cycle.

It is not overhyped. If you can show me a traditional non-URM applicant from a non lucky state that has an MD acceptance with a 501 mcat I will agree with you.


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[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

It is not overhyped. If you can show me a traditional non-URM applicant from a non lucky state that has an MD acceptance with a 501 mcat I will agree with you.


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No one is claiming it has no advantage... just that it doesn’t make an applicant be viewed identically (read: as qualified) as a non-URM that’s clearly more qualified academically.

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

No one is claiming it has no advantage... just that it doesn’t make an applicant be viewed identically (read: as qualified) as a non-URM that’s clearly more qualified academically.

I just dont understand how you can say that when a nonURM would have a 0% chance at getting an acceptance with a 501.


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[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

I just dont understand how you can say that when a nonURM would have a 0% chance at getting an acceptance with a 501.


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That is unbelievably false. Hahaha. Look at the AAMC data.

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

That is unbelievably false. Hahaha. Look at the AAMC data.

Like I said, those are the nonURM individuals who are military personel, or live in a lucky statw (TX, LA, MS, WV). A nonURM in any other state has 0 chance


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[878956]

Med school => money trap. The baby boomer generation abused their powers; now the minorities run the show and they don't like whites, they don't like doctors getting to rich and they don't event want docs to have hospital lounges anymore...too luxurious.

Bottom line => If you are a minority who is passionate about equalizing care for other minorities you will excell in medicine. If your white you are viewed to a much higher standard and will have to work harder at every step of the way

It is not overhyped. If you can show me a traditional non-URM applicant from a non lucky state that has an MD acceptance with a 501 mcat I will agree with you.


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I sure can! They just don’t post on SDN...

 

[878956]

That is unbelievably false. Hahaha. Look at the AAMC data.

Don’t even bother dude. This guy is clearly not willing to listen to you or I. I know people with an mcat of 501 that matriculated into Stonybrook Med.

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

I sure can! They just don’t post on SDN...

Id love to know which state the school is in, probably a lucky state, like I said. Im done turning this into a URM debate, and wish OP the best of luck.


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[878956]

It is not overhyped. If you can show me a traditional non-URM applicant from a non lucky state that has an MD acceptance with a 501 mcat I will agree with you.


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With that logic I should have a LizzyM score of
81 and yet I’ve been rejected from “mid-low tier schools”. The msar shows that people do get it in 501 mcats. You don’t know that persons story. They could have done a post-bacc, have insane research. There are a lot of variables that is seems your are willing to ignore. Sounds like your projecting.

 

[878956]

With that logic I should have a LizzyM score of
81 and yet I’ve been rejected from “mid-low tier schools”. The msar shows that people do get it in 501 mcats. You don’t know that persons story. They could have done a post-bacc, have insane research. There are a lot of variables that is seems your are willing to ignore. Sounds like your projecting.

If URM was such a free ticket, when why are URMS still underpresented? There are less AA men in medical school now than in the 1970’s. Yet the number of Asians and whites have steadily increased.

I’m not denying that URM isnt an advantage but it isn’t the end all, be all you claim it to be.

 

[878956]

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Id love to know which state the school is in, probably a lucky state, like I said. Im done turning this into a URM debate, and wish OP the best of luck.


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New York. Stonybrook Med

 

[Winged Scapula]

Guys,

discussions about race/URM in admissions is forbidden in the SDN pre-med forums. This is a long standing policy.

Consider yourself warned; continuation of the discussion along those lines will result in the thread being locked or closed and all participants receiving action against their accounts.

 

[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

Guys,

discussions about race/URM in admissions is forbidden in the SDN pre-med forums. This is a long standing policy.

Consider yourself warned; continuation of the discussion along those lines will result in the thread being locked or closed and all participants receiving action against their accounts.

Apologies. Is this applied to only negative commentary, or just all discussion per se? I hope none of my comments have been perceived negatively, rather than an explanation of why the statistics appear as they do on AAMC.

 

[878956]

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New York. Stonybrook Med

Guys,

discussions about race/URM in admissions is forbidden in the SDN pre-med forums. This is a long standing policy.

Consider yourself warned; continuation of the discussion along those lines will result in the thread being locked or closed and all participants receiving action against their accounts.

Understood.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Apologies. Is this applied to only negative commentary, or just all discussion per se? I hope none of my comments have been perceived negatively, rather than an explanation of why the statistics appear as they do on AAMC.

All discussions of race and diversity will be closed or moved to the SPF. Please see Lee's Sticky here: Statement of Purpose - About the Pre-Medical Student Forum