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Hi ,I was wondering how come you only qualify for EM programs with 4 years training instead of 3 after doing year of Preliminary year.Any help will be appreciated.
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given that most of the 4 yr programs are generally considered more competitive...
Wait, so you don't qualify for a 3 yr program if you do a prelim? I'm confused.
has to do w/ funding... EM gets max funding of 4 yrs including any prelim, so you'd have to find a place that would take you willing to eat the 5th year.
given that most of the 4 yr programs are generally considered more competitive... tough to do, if not impossible.
Think this is way off base.
Most applicants I know avoid these places if at all possible.
Think this is way off base.
Most applicants I know avoid these places if at all possible.
jacobi, penn, cook county, northwestern, NYU, LAC/USC, kings county, denver, BMC, MGH... not "more competitive"??? on what planet??
then your friends are not so wise... see my above post. i trained at one of those places and the "name" has carried me quite far in my career (2.5 yrs in community practice, just switched jobs)
then your friends are not so wise... see my above post. i trained at one of those places and the "name" has carried me quite far in my career (2.5 yrs in community practice, just switched jobs)
Just throwin' this out there as well: It has been said (and may be true) that a fourth year of residency training equates to a 200,000 dollar mistake. That's one less year of attending salary that you're voluntarily forfeiting.
... and seeing as how most PGY2-3s function rather well independently when they moonlight....
I went to a 4 year residency program and made approx $350K during my last two years of residency plus got the benefits of an extra year of training.
Whaaaaaaaaaaat?!?!?!?
I think I paid that in taxes, and didn't moonlight that much. We were underpaid at our moonlighting gig (~$130/hr), and I still brought home $5K month moonlighting. All I did was moonlight about 3 shifts/month. Not too awful. I had a "vacation" month that I moonlight something like 6 shifts, and brought home $10K. You just have to realize that you pay taxes on it at the end as they aren't taken out as you earn it. But if you aren't getting at least as much as we got, it isn't worth doing. You'll be taking on malpractice risk without getting paid, and also, if you're not working in an ED, then you're not learning job applicable skills. ED moonlighting makes you more marketable when it comes to jobs right out of residency.To be realistic, I think if you can earn an extra 20K per year as a resident moonlighting, you're in pretty good shape. you still have time for family, movies, and catch your home team here and there.
If you're moonlighting 6 months in, you're not really moonlighting. You can't get licensed in any state without at least a year of post grad training. In house moonlighting is usually something ridiculous that feels like scut.on this note, some programs will let you moonlight as early as 6 months into your first year, and some will not allow you to moonlight late into your second year with approval from director.
I guess the conclusion is even after doing a prelim year you can either go for a 3 year or 4 year program.Interestingly one of the EM pd who has a PGY-2 opening told me ,I can`t take you ,we need at least 2 year training as we are 3 year program .Oh ,well.
has to do w/ funding... EM gets max funding of 4 yrs including any prelim, so you'd have to find a place that would take you willing to eat the 5th year.
given that most of the 4 yr programs are generally considered more competitive... tough to do, if not impossible.