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4.0 URM, what MCAT score for scholarship?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Summa, Apr 13, 2007.

  1. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    Two questions, new too the admission process.

    Which schools don't offer full rides?

    And how hard is it to get one, specifically with my numbers and URM status; what else do I need aside from helping poors and black people?

    Yes, I'm very new to med-school admissions; call me a n00b.
     
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  3. sunnyjohn

    sunnyjohn Got Mustard? 5+ Year Member

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    In a world all my own.
  4. FizbanZymogen

    FizbanZymogen Guitar Hero Champion 5+ Year Member

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    oh boy, this post has the potential to get interesting very quickly........

    (dang it, you beat me to it sunnyjohn)
     
  5. lilbajanbwoy

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    man...are you serious? you help "poors and black people"..? just when i thought the epidemic of idiocy was being stamped out you bring me back to reality
     
  6. Vvandenn

    Vvandenn Member 2+ Year Member

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    A swift kick to the face.
     
  7. searun

    searun 5+ Year Member

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    If you are a URM, have a 4.0 gpa, I believe that if you get a 38 MCAT, you will get a full ride to Harvard or Stanford...just pick whatever coast you want...oh, UCSF probably would give you a full ride too, if you want to leave your heart in San Francisco. Johns Hopkins, sure, Yale, no problem, and Columbia would roll out the red carpet as well.
     
  8. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    Did a search for "scholarships" but found only fragmented info on who does or does not give full rides. Whats the problem dudes, aren't people open up AA, chances, and such? If I come off *ssholish I apologize. I'm thinking this works like LS admissions which were very formulaic, out and clear who gets accepted and rejected, and which schools LS do not offer admissions (i.e. Standford, Harvard, Yale).
     
  9. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    I though H and S never give out merit based but only need-based money in all their programs (UG, LS, MED)
     
  10. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    Stand down and relax from your self-righteous high-ground. My intention was to poke fun at resume padding/empathy (faux) signaling of most med students. If it didn't come off that way, ignore it.
     
  11. sunnyjohn

    sunnyjohn Got Mustard? 5+ Year Member

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    Naw dude. Around these parts thread these type of threads end up in virtual fist fights.

    PM DoctaJay. He is a good source of info.
     
  12. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    Will do, will do, are most med students this pissy or just SDNers?
     
  13. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

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    most SDNers are pissy because they aren't med students.
     
  14. searun

    searun 5+ Year Member

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    Let's get real. If you are URM, with a 4.0 gpa and 38MCAT, you can go wherever you want and money is no obstacle. I don't have a problem with that...I understand the reasons why...that is reality.
     
  15. Kfire326

    Kfire326 7+ Year Member

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    LOL! THATS MY NEW SIGNATURE!
     
  16. Summa

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    "Money is no obstacle." I though the difference between 10th ranked vs. Harvard is marginal and so people would take the full ride at say Vandy over H? Not true?
     
  17. scgroat

    scgroat New Member 5+ Year Member

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    Hey Summa,

    At what school is your 4.0? What particular URM are you? These can both be relevant. MCAT will also make or break (maybe not acceptance but scholarship chances). Lastly, please be sure to brush up on your writing skills when you write any sort of scholarship essay. I know that forum grammar is a bit more flexible, but you have to be able to write 'good.'
     
  18. Pagz09

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    lol. guys, please don't take this seriously.
     
  19. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    4.0 is from an SEC skool.

    URM = toasty (i.e. Mexicant)

    And thanks for the insider info-tip about not writting admission essays the way one writes on a message board.
     
  20. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    Um, which part? I'm very serious about aid.
     
  21. searun

    searun 5+ Year Member

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    If you ever have a chance to take a course in reality, take it. And quit being a dick and annoying the folks who are trying to help people on this forum.
     
  22. Summa

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    Their annoyance stems from stick-up-their a hole syndrome, I cannot help with this. I don't know how the admission process works with respect to minority status; schools in general are very hush-hush about it and aren't explicit about what they are "really" looking for. I'm trying to find out the realities of the process.
     
  23. FizbanZymogen

    FizbanZymogen Guitar Hero Champion 5+ Year Member

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    Let's take the UWSOM for example. This year they went out of their way to interview URMs even if they were out-of-state as the office of multi-cultural affairs announced they were in need of more minorities and encouraged us to tell our friends who might be interested in their school. They came across very transparent. I'm not making an argument about their policies one way or the other, just saying I don't think its "hush, hush" at all. Just rock the MCAT and you should be sitting very comfortably. If you however screw the MCAT that 4.0 will look very inflated (you'll still probably get in somwhere though).
     
  24. scgroat

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    HMM, SEC = big state school most likely

    There's nothing wrong with that, but your MCAT will be very important because it's the only way to validate your 4.0. I'm not trying to start an argument, but the GPA, alone, may not be as good as a comparable GPA at other schools. Your first step, though, to getting a scholarship is humbleness. If you read some of my other posts, you'll know what I mean.
     
  25. GoLAClippers

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    He doesn't have to validate anything. Get 30-31 on the MCAT, you are a shoe-in to med schools, including top 10-20. :luck:
     
  26. Summa

    Summa 2+ Year Member

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    Conflicting posts....
     
  27. Nasrudin

    Nasrudin Apropos of Nothing 10+ Year Member

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    Forgetting for a moment your sense of entitlement and sardonic self-satisfaction, you obviously have the potential to exploit the need for more latino doctor's to the fullest. Whether you will carry that distinction with honor remains absent from the tone of your post.

    If the exploitation of happenstance is your modus operandi...perhaps you could just claim you were raped by an all white athletic team and wait for the Rev. Jesse Jackson to offer you a scholarship.
     
  28. littlephiLLy

    littlephiLLy 7+ Year Member

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    there is a new Don Imus scholarship up for grabs, contingent upon hair texture.
     
  29. Felzor

    Felzor 7+ Year Member

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    Ugh this thread gives me a headache.
     
  30. OncoCaP

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    I'm not sure that these are the questions I would ask. You don't get to keep the money (at least not most of it).

    Have you thought about where you might like to go? I personally know of at least one situation where a URM took a full ride and is very unhappy with the school due to some issues that could have been avoided at this person's first choice (not where this person went ... this person followed a full ride to misery).

    While full rides are nice, they will not make up for four years of misery. Think about where you might like to go before you factor in how much going to school there will cost (or not cost). You may find that your top choice offers sufficient incentives to make the financial side work out nicely.
     
  31. gotmeds?

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    I think it's pretty clear that he/she won't. On the upside, arrogance is a great application killer.
     
  32. Summa

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    Oh dear, hear comes the honor patrol...lol

    Please save it. I have no regrets in taking advantage of this oppurtunity; someone explain to me why should I?

    OncoCap, why can't you keep the money. As far as Fit goes, you are correct; I think I would have to visit each school and get a better feel.

    Without knowing anything about the MS themselves and going solely on location, academic reputation, weather, type UG students, type of LS students, etc.

    My top choices are Vanderbilt (1), Duke (2), Stanford, Columbia, Wash U, Yale, UCSF followed by Harvard, Darthmouth, G-town, NYU. Look I just started this pre-med thing and have no idea about actual programs offered by any of these schools. Does anyone know some more info about them and whether they hand $$?
     
  33. Nasrudin

    Nasrudin Apropos of Nothing 10+ Year Member

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    My friend it is not just that you lack a sense of deportment but sensibility itself.

    Each one of the schools you mention will likely have a department of minority affairs that will act as an adjunct to their admission offices as well as providing a varying degree of outreach and programs for minority candidates. Medical schools are unique from one another in this regard. Each will offer something different but each will address the basic needs of recruiting more minority physicians. Their scholarship awards will depend on how much they want you as an individual to attend.

    Your research technique shows you have yet to cut your teeth in the real world and that you are used to having things done for you. For the benefit of your own efficiency, read some books, find the forums here that address your concerns specifically, contact the minority affairs departments of the medical schools your interested in, find a mentor, and generally go fishing with the right bait where the fish are biting. So there you go...my tax dollars and my common sense. Do me a favor and make better use of both.
     
  34. 4whom

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  35. munnabhai

    munnabhai Junior Member 2+ Year Member

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    thank you OP... now I remember why AA is bs

    after seeing the tone of your first post I was not actually expecting anyone to help you out. guess a lot of people gave you the benefit of doubt and you turn around and B*t(h about it. arrogant idiotic ingrate - you dont get to see one of these everyday (unless you watch Fox News :p jk!)
     
  36. pagemmapants

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    Not in the slightest. If you peruse around here a bit you'll find epic tales of 38/4.0s rejected from everywhere versus plenty of people who were, say 29/3.2 and made it somewhere. Once you get to the secondary your "numbers" don't carry as much weight as you're expecting. Sure, a 38/4.0/URM will get you secondaries and maybe even interviews most places (I swear some places have already decided about most applicants before they even look at the 2ndaries) but at that point it all comes down to a multitude of other factors. Research/extracurriculars/leadership positions/volunteering for the tangibles, personality/fitness for the school/mood of your interviewer/compatibility of you and your interviewer/the weather/the little gnomes in the basement that make the ranked lists of who gets in when. . .

    If you like Duke, though, and do give you some idea of an MCAT score to shoot for, the average MCAT for the class of 2010 is 35. From what I hear, though, there's QUITE a spread, so there has to be a few 30s to counterbalance the confirmed 42s.

    PS: with a 4.0 I'm damned sure you're not a Mexicant. Ditch the attitude (even if just for the interviews), rock the MCAT, and then do what you want with your life - everyone else's opinions be damned.
     
  37. Stolenspatulas

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    uh GPA means nothing. Come back to me after you have a 35+ MCAT score.
     
  38. GoLAClippers

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    :eek:
     
  39. moto_za

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    I have heard from an adcom that if you also mention that you are willing to help mexicans in the US that the med school you will be attending will pay for your rent as well. So that might be something you would want to consider in addition to helping black people and receiving your full-ride.
     
  40. LifetimeDoc

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  41. jojocola

    jojocola Senior Member 2+ Year Member

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    Don't even joke, if he's reallly URM then he can get way with like a 25+ MCAT. He'll get accepted somewhere, and you know it. But, if you were refering to the MCAT score needed for scholarships, your probably right.

    I wish I was a URM right about now.:thumbdown: I still like AA, couldn't imagine all the doctors in southern california being white and asian. That would a disservice to the community.
     
  42. Summa

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    I'm not so sure, incompetent doctors would be a disservice to the community. If race is essential to serve the community well, then having all Asian and white doctors would be damaging. But frankly, when your body and health are on the line, I don't see how race would matter unless you refuse to be treated or will be a better patient with doctor whose race is XYZ. It seems that in the golden hours or those before, people just want to be healthy and do not let their preference obstruct their self-interest.
     
  43. BarrySanders

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    Yeah and a non-urm with a 4.0 can also get away with a 25+ MCAT and get accepted somewhere... and no you don't wish u were a URM.
     
  44. Nasrudin

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    Totally agreed Barry. The issue here might be reactionary in terms of race with some members. For me its the crass attitude of a spoiled little punk. Please escort this young lad to the URM forum where he can get the proper advice and stop stirring up racial controversy.
     
  45. SupergreenMnM

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    I would disagree strongly with the top 10 part. If he gets a 34+ then he has a chance at top 10, below that its a pretty long reach. As for scholarships it will still be tough as most of the top 10 school scholarships are merit based. That said, very few that I know of offer full scholarships, or anything close...he will be expected to take out loans.

    I personally think SES should be the only factor considered, which is why on my app I didn't mark URM but did mark that I'm poor as dirt.

    PS...the only highly ranked school I know of that offers full scholarships (and not just a few of them) is Mayo:biglove: . Your best chance to get in there though is to kick but on the MCAT (URM isn't even considered if you don't make a cutt off for MCAT+GPA, the formula is weighted more to MCAT< or so I'm told) and to be from Minnesota, Florida, or Arizona.
     
  46. Summa

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    Do you get offended when Chris Rock, Chappelle, and Mencia make fun of their or another race? Loosesn up man. Too many people complain about the URM thats stealing their spot or the URM thats not a "real URM" but taking advantage of the system. This goes to all the reactionaries: forget about it. Do what you can, do it well, and you'll be fine. Get a 40 and a 4.0, and no one will be taking your "spot"; it will be yours to lose. And as for the "fake URM", well no system is perfect and he/she might be getting the last laugh, but why would you let these insignificant cases get the best of you? Move on.

    And to you specifically Nas, undertsand that an online persona breaks ties with reality. For example, my original plans did not involve graduating HS, let alone attending college. But I caught a few, very lucky breaks and managed to end up at a university. I believe one of these breaks involved AA without a doubt since my record was quite below par. Long story short I went ape-**** nuts with school, took 18-24 hrs per semester, went to school year round, did nothing but class, and now am close to graduating with degrees in a "hard" science, some writing intensive humanities, and a practical discipline.

    Although I may not have my wings yet and sound like an insensitive prick, I have earned a stripe or two. So, "to the victors belong the spoils."
     
  47. Nasrudin

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    Look man, I give props for coming up through your own talents, through much adversity. Congratulations. If you present yourself as the individual you are and not as someone your not you'll get much further in life.

    Despite your obvious talent, the idea that someone deserves much less should expect a full-ride for whatever reason, into a profession that will allow anyone to make good on their tuition is absurd. But you went a step further in the spirit of instigation and invited people to take a shot at the racial dynamics involved in this process which are complex by necessity. Your question was not framed in a mature manner and was ignorant of its audience. Social skills are important. As a physician you will need to conduct yourself professionally in very challenging situations which your uphill academic battle may or may not have prepared you for. Good luck.

    P.S. No i don't get offended. When people are funny, I laugh. Did I miss your joke?
     
  48. EBI831

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    i'm gonna have to say no to that one. you are never a "shoe in". and even being URM with an above 30 MCAT will not guarantee you admissions let alone a full ride. man, ppl on SDN have no idea of what they are talking about. you may get interviews and you may not(as i found). you may be looking at a lot of waitlists still and a few acceptances(if lucky). just apply super early is all i can say. and ppl may not want to say it but at schools like ahem vandy as you mentioned the state school status will be a hindrance even with a 31 MCAT.
     
  49. flaahless

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    It's not a matter of competence. Each year there are plenty of competent and highly qualified individuals that don't get accepted into med school. The idea that AA would breed incompetent professionals is ridiculous. As if med schools would actively go out and start enrolling inmates or something. That trips me out.
     
  50. Summa

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    Maybe this is not case for med schools, but this does hold in a profession like law, and others where there is large pool of very qualified and not so qualified individuals. There is some talk about the attrition rate for minorities and how it suggests inability to handle the LS. And those that do make it out of LS, don't make it too far in the corporate world. But that doesn't say much if there is streotype threat, glass ceilings, etc.......so I dunno.
     
  51. DoctaJay

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    If you are truly, truly intrested on how to increase your chances of getting into medical school as a URM; visit the Underrepresented in Healthcare link below in my signature. It will take you to a forum that should help.
     

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