60 Minutes: Brain Cancer and Biological Clocks (Tic-Toc)

[Doctora Foxy]

Turn it on now and watch it on CBS. This is a good doctor! (a brain cancer doctor at Duke)

I don't know how much longer the segment will be on, it started at 7 pm (east coast time)

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[megkudos]

Thanks Dr. Foxy, I checked it out. That was so sad what happened to that girl right out of high school. Jeez. She was so strong though. And yeah the Doctor was good

 

[jasjaz]

Thanks for letting us know. That was good.

 

[droliver]

Seems to me like he is being very reckless & abandoning evidence-directed tx.

 

[Doctora Foxy]

ok, after watching the first 2 segments here's what I think: The doctor was very good because he really cares about his patients. While his methods are risky, I think in the situation it's necessary to cure those patients. And I cried at the end, that girl was really brave.

As far as the biological clock thing, when do you ladies plan on having kids? I'll be done with residency around age 29 or 30. I always thought I would have 2 kids right after (baby machine ). Maybe I'll have them sooner. Oh wait I need a husband first....

 

[lady bug]

That biological clock thing was alarming to me...I didn't know the facts about age vs chances of fertility. I definitely feel more informed about the whole situation.

 

[jasjaz]

I was also thinking about 29 or 30 for children (also once I get a husband!).

 

[vixen]

i want two or three kids by the time I'm 30. If I get out of dental school by 28, that'll leave me one year of residency or a postdoc...so the first couple of years will be kinda tough, but we'll manage.

this is assuming i'm with the same guy by then...

 

[Jessica]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
• .... I cried when the girl died at the end...

•••••There goes the ending

j/k Foxy - I am looking forward to watching that when I got home from work... now I can prepare myself emotionally for the show (darn that three hour time difference )

I hear you about the biological clock thing.. when are we supposed to squeeze in kids? Depending on what I do, I'll be 32-33 when I am done with residency <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Uncomfortably close to that risky-35ish first time mommy age.

You don't need to worry, I am sure that there is no shortage of men willing to be your hubbie, all you have to do is pick one lucky guy

 

[jmejia1]

I'm a guy but I've also been thinking about having kids. I like the idea of having a large family, 7-8 kids, but that would mean I would have to start churning them out already. Well, I need a wife first as well, and then I imagine it would be hard as hell while still attending med school both emotionally and economically.

At one of my interviews, the a female student interviewer told me she had two kids while in med school! I wonder how hard that was.

I'm on the pacfiic coast time so thanks for the 60 minutes commercial, now I know what I'll be doing at 7pm.

 

[Doctora Foxy]

oops I'm so sorry! I forgot about the Cali people--at least you won't waste a whole box of tissues like I did!

p.s. My mom was 38 when she had my brother and he's a lil' 8-year old genius! My boyfriend's mom also had a kid at that age. Now we both have adorable little brothers and everyone thinks we have 2 kids! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> But I still wouldn't recommend having kids at such a late age, b/c the risk factors increase a lot. I actually had a friend in 5th grade whose mother died at age 37 right after giving birth . I'll never forget it.

 

[Hero]

You gals can have your babies when you are in medical school. During my interviews, I met several moms that were pregnant/have babies.

I also noticed most of the fourth year to have a ring on THE FINGER <img src="http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif" alt="" /> Both the men and the women.

Hey Dr. Foxy, what time did it show for you? I'm in a diff timezone i think.

 

[dfleis]

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[daisygirl]

I am planning on having a baby either at the end of my fourth year med school/beginning of my first year of residency. And I will probably get pregnant again sometime soon after my first. I am gonna be in a rush b/c I will be 30/31 at that time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> .

I did not get to see 60 minutes (busy working on those f@#$ing p-chem lab reports ), however, I will be watching 60 minutes in a little while since I am hooked up with satellite tv and I get not only my locals but the west coast locals .

 

[Doctora Foxy]

daisygirl: When I was talking to my student host last week, she mentioned that it looks bad to be pregnant when you go on residency interviews. I was thinking about how much that sucks, but it seems that residency directors will be hesitant to accept pregnant women for fear of taking time off immediately.

dfleis: hm, I don't know if it's anything new, maybe I shouldn't bother posting! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> What is it with SDN lately?

Anyway, it was not about new specific treatments, but mostly about a doctor who is using drugs/technologies that have not been approved by the FDA yet. Basically as soon as they work in the lab, he administers them to his patients. He has prolonged the lives of many patients when their original oncologists gave up on them, by taking risks. I thought it was an inspiring story b/c it shows his compassion.

 

[Blazed]

was up Daisy Girl? I remember you saying that you attended CUNY Lehman, I did my last two years there transferring from NYU. Congrats on you acceptance. Do your thing girl.

 

[daisygirl]

Thanks for the info Foxy. I guess that puts a bit of a wrench in my plans. I thought that maybe I would be able to swing something like that, but I also know that you wind up doing what is best for you when the time comes. I also know that whatever decision I make will be one where I take my health, my baby's health, my husbands wishes all very seriously (career is important but the before listed comes first-especially the first two).

Hey Blazed, Do I know you? When did you finish at Lehman? Thanks for the congrats! Are you applying to med school now? If you are, I hope the med schools are showin you some luvin' <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" /> .

 

[Blazed]

I am not sure if I do know you, but yes I have applied to med schools this cycle. I have had a few interviews, but no word as of yet. I finished May of 2001. What about you? For Chem I had Prof. Villa, Orgo had Daugherty.

 

[daisygirl]

Hey I had Professor Dougherty too. I am actually doing research under him now. I had organic from the fall of 99 to spring of 00. I bet I do know you! I had Professor Villa also; I had him for g-chem lab. I am finishing up this May (if I ever get my butt going). I wish you much luck.

 

[Blazed]

I must know you then, beacuse I took those classes around the same time. Good luck, and finish strong.

 

[megkudos]

Oh yeah too now that I've watched the biological clock thing....

How funny was it when those business students (women) from Harvard said that telling a man that your at Harvard Business is nicknamed the "Big H Bomb". Meaning that the second they tell a guy he is no longer interested in them.

We medical gals whould come up for a term for that as well, cuz no matter where we go to school it happens. Any suggestions? That makes me so mad that many guys are intimidated or something.

The segment also made me really sad cuz I recently broke up with my boyfirned of over 3 years. I thought we'd be having kids together but it's not happening now (obviously!!)

Now I have to find myself a "replacement" man (haha) before I can start having these kids. I'd like to have them either during residency or soon thereafter when I'm about 30. Any takers? I'm kinda out of this whole dating game thing and I'm terrified that med school and residency ain't gonna help at all <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

 

[dfleis]

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[Doctora Foxy]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by dfleis:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
•dfleis: hm, I don't know if it's anything new, maybe I shouldn't bother posting! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> What is it with SDN lately?

Anyway, it was not about new specific treatments, but mostly about a doctor who is using drugs/technologies that have not been approved by the FDA yet. Basically as soon as they work in the lab, he administers them to his patients. He has prolonged the lives of many patients when their original oncologists gave up on them, by taking risks. I thought it was an inspiring story b/c it shows his compassion.•••••Okay.. I don't want this to sound bad but.. how exactly are you taking risks on someone whose life expectancy is less than a year? Is it the warm and snuggly compassion or is it just common sense to try something new for someone who has a bleak prognosis?

Again, I don't want to make this guy sound bad, especially since I didn't see the program... but many doctors would support non-conventional (here, FDA approved) treatments for pts with high grade brain tumors if it is their wish.

So, my point is... what exactly has this guy done that is so special? How much longer were these patient's lives prolonged? How was their standard of living through this time?

I don't underestimate the power of hope that he may generate into these patients, but I also don't underestimate the lethal nature of cancer. False hope is just as cruel as cancer.•••••I think the point of the program was that as soon as these patients found out they had cancer, their original doctors gave up on them and told them they had 6 months to live. That was 6 years ago for one guy, and he has been able to live in good health with his family and children. Another man also prolonged his life for several years, and had a very good life in the interim. The 17 year old girl who was unable to be saved at least got to attend her graduation from high school in pretty good health.

And the program said that many doctors were completely against this risky use of unapproved medications that this Duke doctor has been administering.

One patient died at the end in the program, and then her mother insisted that she was completely satisfied with the doctor's attemts to save her daughter's life. The doctor didn't give false hope, just tried to save (or prolong) their lives while being upfront about the whole thing.

The basic theme of the program was that the patients were rebutted by their original oncologists and shown support and compassion by the doctor at Duke.