A little bit of advice for future pre-meds

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I just wanted to give a few helpful hints and tips for future premeds:
1) Don't automatically go for the BS in biology, a lot of people do it because it is the path of least resistance, do whatever interests you
2) Minor in business and/or accounting, most physicians have god awful practice management skills.
3) Be realistic you need a GPA >3.3 to be competitive
4) Consider alternative pathways only 50% of all applicants to medical school get in
 
Thanks a lot for the valuable advice.

Do you'll have any suggestions for the MCAT?
 
Thanks a lot for the valuable advice.

Do you'll have any suggestions for the MCAT?

Pay attention in the classes that will be on it and focus on learning rather than just getting the A.

Get a course if you can't study on your own.

Go to your library and start studying early.

Aim for a reasonable goal on the MCAT, that you can achieve but will have to stretch for.

Start reviewing early, an ideal schedule is Freshman Year Bio I and II, Gen Chem I and II, Sophomore Year Org I and II, Physics I and II, just make sure to get all of this in by Junior year. According to the premed advisor at NSU for those who scored above a 30 the key things were studying for 200-300 hours prior to the MCAT.

Get the full length practice tests.

Improve where you are worst first.
 
I like this advice thread!! More is appreciated 🙂

Asses whether you still want to go to medical school along the way and make sure you have valid reasons to go. Ultimately your significant other, parents or friends don't have to go through med school and residency, make sure you're doing this for you.

Talk to doctors and ask them what they don't like about their practice.

Recognize even in the sexiest specialties there is a lot of repetition.

Study hard and figure out what you're doing right and wrong.

Critically assess your failures. Why you received an F may be even more telling than why you received an A.

Shadow early and often, being inside an office, ER or OR shows a very different view of practice than on TV. You'll see that oftentimes the most challenging parts of medicine are not the cases on House, but rather the patients with multiple comorbid diseases to manage or the emotional cases the 45 year old parent with advanced cancer.

Learn how to treat people, medicine is team-based, you will as an attending work with people from varying socioeconomic, cultural and educational backgrounds, treat them all with respect.
 
- Your attitude determines 90% of whether or not you enjoy your classes. even the ones you don't want to take. Attitude is everything. Have a good one and your life will be much more pleasing.

- Don't let orgo intimidate you. If you go into it with that mindset you are preparing yourself to do worse than you can. You are smart enough to get an A - you just have to figure out how to learn it. Different things work for different people.

- Best way to learn things is to find a dead quiet place in the library, remove all distractions, and pound out some serious studying. You will enjoy your classes more if you're doing well in them.

- I recommend 1.5-2 hr stretches of focused studying followed by 15-30 minute breaks. Don't try and study for so long that you lose focus and don't retain the last 45 minutes of stuff you went over. Studying is a marathon, not a sprint.
 
- Don't let any class intimidate you. If you go into it with that mindset you are preparing yourself to do worse than you can. You are smart enough to get an A - you just have to figure out how to learn it. Different things work for different people.

Fixed. Too often kids will come into a class (be it orgo, physics, biochem, calc, etc) and throw in the towel before they've even started. Yes, you will encounter difficult classes along the way, but none of them are unbeatable.
 
Don't be afraid to take hard classes that you enjoy and will learn a lot from taking.

Don't join activities you don't enjoy just so that you can put them on your resume (same for in med school).

Major in something you enjoy and are excited to do every day. It makes less-fun classes much more bearable.

Also, I'd disagree with the minoring in business and studying somewhere quiet. I personally need background noise to study and would rather have a root canal than take a business class... Just find what works best for you, whatever that may be.
 
As someone finishing their first year of med school here is my advice:

-Not everyone can afford to take a volunteer trip to another country. While that is awesome if you can, don't forget that there are people in your own backyard that could use your help. Volunteering at a soup kitchen, hospital, nursing home, or community center consistently for a year is often taken even more seriously because it shows commitment.

-If the bio department doesn't have room for you to get involved in research (often happens at big state universities overloaded with premeds just like you)...go for the psychology department. You'll get to actually interact with people too, which is a good skill to hone. I got to give interviews, EEGs, and learned a TON by volunteering in neuroscience lab for 8 months.

-READ a lot. Starting freshman year. I'm not talking about just medical or science books. Read Time, Newsweek, novels, literature, non-fiction, whatever. This is how I got a 13 on my VR on the MCAT.

-Don't be one of those annoying premeds who call each other 'Doctor' even though they're still taking their prereqs. Most of those people are still there. Don't be arrogant, be humble.

-BE NICE! Don't be one of those cutthroat premeds; photocopying notes for a sick classmate is always a good idea. That's how you make friends, endear yourself to people, and create a support net for times when you're the one out with the flu.

-The advisor is there to advise, not be a gatekeeper. Always take what they say into consideration, but don't feel bound by it.

-MCAT requires 3-4 months of studying. Don't cram. Get a book, aim to get through physics in a month, chem in a month, bio in a month. Take practice tests in between. I did this, without a formal course, and got a 30.
 
Thanks for the great advice y'all. I'll be sure to keep that in mind when I start undergrads.

Can a mod please sticky this?
 
Even if you don't want to take courses in business do understand that practice management is the one area where physicians struggle the most. I'm not saying that you need to know the intricacies of auditing or international finance, I'm stating that an ability to read all 3 financial statements, know a little bit of business law, have HR ability, management technique, basic knowledge of finance and marketing is necessary for a practice to survive. You don't have to take formal classes, there are two great books on the market The Ten Day MBA by Steven Silbiger or The Vest Pocket MBA by Jae K. Shim. While this can be learned on the job it is a lot less costly to do it now.

Don't automatically join your pre-med society, they are sometimes useful, but I couldn't stand the attitude of many of the members.

Contemplate joining a cultural/spiritual group on my campus there are a plethora ranging from the Secular Students' Alliance, Hillel, Catholic Life, Ablaze (non-denominational Christian), International Student's Association and many more. It's nice to be surrounded by those who share similar beliefs, especially as you make that transition from high school to university.

Don't only stay on campus, oftentimes people don't go out into the cool college town that surrounds them, my suggestion is go and explore it.

Don't obsess over a 4.0, a 3.5 is great, most people will stumble a bit their first semester, if you don't that's great, if you do figure out what's wrong and make it right.
 
Don't automatically join your pre-med society, they are sometimes useful, but I couldn't stand the attitude of many of the members.

I think you are in the same program that I am in... Is this true for NSU? Are there any benefits to being in a pre med society besides meeting other pre-meds?
 
MCAT requires 3-4 months of studying.
According to the premed advisor at NSU for those who scored above a 30 the key things were studying for 200-300 hours prior to the MCAT.
Wow. I really hope you guys won't have to study anywhere near that much for the MCAT. That is an unbelievably huge amount of time. I would expect 200 hours to be on the upper end of how much effort you'll need to put in.

As far as studying in general goes, just figure out what works for you. Everyone is different.

I don't think I'd advise everyone to get a business minor, but a class or two would be a good idea. It's a nice and useful way to knock off some electives.

Decent advice all around, though.

Are there any benefits to being in a pre med society besides meeting other pre-meds?
Not really. They'll sometimes help get you hooked up with people to shadow or with research, but it's mostly just an attempt at application padding for most people. You can do all of that stuff on your own by just cold calling people. No club meetings necessary.
 
Don't freak out because you made a B- on an exam in high school. You are in ****ing high school. No medical school is going to be grilling you over why you didn't do well in a class when you were fifteen.

You may be a perfect 4.0 robot, or you may have let your grades suffer while you dealt with personal problems. Either way, today is the first day of the rest of your life. While staying in the spectrum of reality, don't listen to anyone who tells you that you will never, ever make it in life. You may not cure cancer by the age of 20, but you definitely have the potential for medicine if you actually work hard and trudge through the grueling aspects of it.
 
Not really. They'll sometimes help get you hooked up with people to shadow or with research, but it's mostly just an attempt at application padding for most people. You can do all of that stuff on your own by just cold calling people. No club meetings necessary.

What I figured. I heard some pre-med societies (when I visited Cornell) have guest speakers, and some do basic clinical stuff like learning how to create stitches, basic injections etc... None of it is done on humans or even cadavers though I presume. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Wow. I really hope you guys won't have to study anywhere near that much for the MCAT. That is an unbelievably huge amount of time. I would expect 200 hours to be on the upper end of how much effort you'll need to put in.

As far as studying in general goes, just figure out what works for you.

To clarify, I didn't mean 3-4 months of 8 hr studying days; I am not a crammer and will never be. Neither can I focus on one thing for that long.

So what I did was space it out, probably did on average 6 hours a week of good MCAT studying (3 hr blocks twice a week for 3-4 months). If you multiply that's about 24 hrs month x 3= 72 hours, or 96 hours for four months. I think that is about realistically what one needs to do if they were an 'average' student like I was.

I do maintain that its best to space it out this way because you won't get tired of it as quickly if you pace yourself, and you leave a lot of room for having an 'off week' as most of us do at one time or another. Slow and steady wins the race : )
 
The most important thing that will be said in this thread, but when looking at the unemployment statistics for the 15-22 age group, it's apparent that most of them will have no opportunity to even know what that comment means. That's unfortunate.

I lol'd.
 
-Don't be one of those annoying premeds who call each other 'Doctor' even though they're still taking their prereqs. Most of those people are still there. Don't be arrogant, be humble.
😱 Wow. Some people actually do that?:laugh:

I think the business classes are a good idea.
 
Intern throughout your collegiate career, you may find that there are ideal fits outside of medicine or outside of the traditional clinical practice of medicine. There are so many doors that an MD or DO will open outside of traditional practice that they should be explored. Whether it is private equity, IB, equity research, consulting or venture capital from the finance end or healthcare administration, research or alternative methods of healthcare delivery i.e. house calls and concierge medicine.

Only join 1 or 2 clubs your first semester, if you join too many you won't get as much out as you should and you won't have enough time for your studies.
 
Great Thread. Very useful. Regarding majors, I think most people choose the BS Biology route because that gets them all their pre-reqs. How can they do something they enjoy and still graduate in 4 years (without summers)?
 
Great Thread. Very useful. Regarding majors, I think most people choose the BS Biology route because that gets them all their pre-reqs. How can they do something they enjoy and still graduate in 4 years (without summers)?

You have to get in 8 credits of sciences for gen eds usually so bio goes there, gen chem can often serve for a quantitative requirement. Org and physics go sophomore/junior year, squeeze calc in somewhere. English is a pre-req, as long as you start freshman year it isn't too hard.
 
Great Thread. Very useful. Regarding majors, I think most people choose the BS Biology route because that gets them all their pre-reqs. How can they do something they enjoy and still graduate in 4 years (without summers)?

Let's take a math major entering Fall 2011 and assume no AP credit. Here's an example of how that would work:

Fall 2011
Calculus I
GenChem I
English I
Elective
Elective

Spring 2012
Calculus II
GenChem II
English II
Elective
Elective

Fall 2012
Multivariable Calculus
Linear Algebra
GenBio I
Orgo I

Spring 2013
Math elective
GenBio II
Orgo II
Elective

Fall 2013
Real Analysis I
Abstract Algebra I
Physics I
Elective

Spring 2014
Real Analysis II
Abstract Algebra II
Physics II
Elective

Fall 2014
Math elective
Biochemistry
Elective
Elective
Elective

Spring 2015
Math elective
Math elective
Elective
Elective
Elective

This should be enough for a math major, if I calculated correctly, and it should be enough for graduation requirements at almost any school. If not, fill a couple of the electives up. It also covers all of the premed requirements and still leaves one with 13 electives, some of which can be used to do university GenEd requirements as needed.
 
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What I figured. I heard some pre-med societies (when I visited Cornell) have guest speakers, and some do basic clinical stuff like learning how to create stitches, basic injections etc... None of it is done on humans or even cadavers though I presume. Thanks for the clarification.

At NSU they host a few speakers, offer research opportunities and shadowing opportunities, the stitches, injections and vital signs workshops are available as well. I dropped out of pre-med, everyone was a gunner and I just despise those sort of premeds.

Two new pieces of advice:

1. Don't say your pre-med, it isn't a major and it doesn't make you special.

2. There are a lot more pre-meds than there are medical students, don't slack off, fail to prep for the MCAT or get a DUI.
 
At NSU they host a few speakers, offer research opportunities and shadowing opportunities, the stitches, injections and vital signs workshops are available as well. I dropped out of pre-med, everyone was a gunner and I just despise those sort of premeds.

Two new pieces of advice:

1. Don't say your pre-med, it isn't a major and it doesn't make you special.

2. There are a lot more pre-meds than there are medical students, don't slack off, fail to prep for the MCAT or get a DUI.

Oh boy... I hate those types too. Overly competitive kids who call each other 'doctor'? Parents are probably both doctors? Geez.

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And do they also claim they want to be ridiculous specialists like pediatric neurosurgeons specializing in ages 14 to 14 and a half?
 
Oh boy... I hate those types too. Overly competitive kids who call each other 'doctor'? Parents are probably both doctors? Geez.

EDIT:

And do they also claim they want to be ridiculous specialists like pediatric neurosurgeons specializing in ages 14 to 14 and a half?

Honestly the kids with parents who are physicians are much more likely to be down to earth. Also for the ditzy girls they tend to be most interested in peds, the guys trauma surgery, anything macho or OB/Gyn.
 
Honestly the kids with parents who are physicians are much more likely to be down to earth. Also for the ditzy girls they tend to be most interested in peds, the guys trauma surgery, anything macho or OB/Gyn.

Out of the "pre-meds" I've met whose parents are doctors most have an aura of self-entitlement around them and that they are meant to go into medicine, and that they know everything about everything... Apparently knowledge is passed down via reproduction 🙄
 
Out of the "pre-meds" I've met whose parents are doctors most have an aura of self-entitlement around them and that they are meant to go into medicine, and that they know everything about everything... Apparently knowledge is passed down via reproduction 🙄

I must say that I haven't really seen that too much. If anything most tend to be more realistic about clinical practice.

Here is another piece of advice, check preconceived notions at the door. Whether this is in regards to people, patients or cultures.
 
Honestly the kids with parents who are physicians are much more likely to be down to earth. Also for the ditzy girls they tend to be most interested in peds, the guys trauma surgery, anything macho or OB/Gyn.
That's pretty much the exact opposite of my experience with the possible exception of the meathead-->ortho stereotype. That one's true.
 
Every girl I meet wants to go into derm or peds. Every guy I meet wants to go into ortho, trauma or cardio surgery... When I say I'm interested in gas and endo due to the pharmacology/biochemistry components they look at me like I have five heads.
 
Ah, the old life advice thread........

To the high school students who read this posting by me, please take time to think about what I am typing below. I have a lot of life experience, have worked a lot of different jobs and I am now making a killing (making a ton of money). I have some very good advice for you all......

1: Do not major in biology. If you do major in biology, combine it with a degree in accounting, business, engineering, nursing or any other degree that actually places you into a potential job. A biology degree is generic and doesn't place you into any type of job outside of a lab tech. My biology degree was completely useless for getting the really, really high paying medical sales job I have (I sell a very complex medical business solution program). What got me the job was my experience....more details below.

2: Why is a degree in biology useless????? A company doesn't have any use for your knowledge of organic chemistry, immunology, botany, etc, etc. When a person launches a company, he/she needs sales people, accountant, managers, tech people (computer engineers mostly), etc, etc. Many of you may not understand this until you have more experience later in life. For the love of god, a degree in history, art, English and the like are useless for the job market. If you want to land a six figure job in medical sales, you need experience selling things. A science degree helps, but you are better off with a degree in business with a minor in some science field.

3: Life can be a bitch if things don't come easy. You need to focus on yourself and not worry about others around you. If you really do want to be a doctor, you need to focus on doing well in your classes, and not about that hot history or political science student that is going to a top law school.

4: Get laid early in college, if you can. Just get it out of your system. Sex is overrated and I have a great sex life with my wife.

5: Getting drunk every weekend is also overrated.

6: Studying on a Friday or Saturday night is NOT the kiss of death for a social life.

7: Try to live off campus after your freshman year if you can. There is more to life than the local drunken neighbor in the next door dorm room.

8: Try to stay active and keep young (aka don't get drunk every week).

9: You are NOT as smart as you think and getting a 4.0 in college is NOT a successful life. Getting a 4.0 is just something that occurred during a few years of your young life.

10: You don't have to worry about getting into an Ivy med school to make good money as a doctor.

11: Don't make going to the library seem like it is the end of the world.

12: Get a fricken job already. I went to college with a ton of people who never worked and all of them have ****ty jobs after college. In the real world, experience TRUMPS education every single day.

13: Getting into medical school doesn't make you an expert at anything except how to get good grades in your pre-req classes.

14: You may not be the most wealthy person in your neighborhood when you are eventually a practicing doctor.

15: Organic chemistry is nothing to worry about. It takes effort to get an A in that course, but it can be done.

16: Pre-med courses are actually not that difficult on the large scheme of things.

17: Don't go to your Facebook profile and make yourself look stupid by saying joblook11 MD (I know a couple of people who still have that on their Facebook profile AFTER graduation and still are trying to get into med school).

18: There are people out there that make a ton of money, and you likely will not be one of them even as a doctor, but you will still make a good living.

19: Try not to go into debt, but also don't be afraid of debt. The saying "good debt" is a bunch of bull crap.

20: You don't need to own a house right away after becoming a doctor. Rent a house or apartment for a year or two and get some loans paid down.

21: Get a car that gets good gas mileage while you are in med school and residency. You can get your first "new" car when you are a doctor.

22: Don't worry about your former college classmates or college friends "living it up" after graduation. They are NOT living it up. They are likely making less than $35k/year and have no savings. The going to a bar, eating out once week, taking that one vacation to some place is NOT living it up. That is called living the middle class lifestyle.

YOU GET OUT OF LIFE WHAT YOU PUT IN.

Wow...I am really scared of your post.
 
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