aacom is very politically biased, very discriminative!

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  1. youngjock

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    when i was trying to fill out the online form, i found out that this org. is very politicaly biased!

    it listed the two Korea as

    "korea,
    korea, north."

    I don't know who did this form. that is so unintelligent.

    there is no such thing as two countries with "korea, and Korea, north."

    the person should have put it as "korea, north; korea, south."


    second, it listed "people's republic of china" as

    "China, communist."

    There is just no such a country in the world with the legal name of "china, communist!" Even Bush knows! And to most people in this country, anything about communist is bad. it is like listing south central los angeles as "black ghetto la." And the person who came from that area is forced to choose it, becaus s/he has no choice!

    then it listed another "China!"
    with the name of "China, republic of (taiwan)."

    we know, usa only recognizes one China, that is Pepole's republic of China. "republic of china" was abolished in 1949.


    I checked out aamc's application, they are very right. They listed China as China, and two koreas with their full names, taiwan as (province of China.)

    who is working for aacom? with such a politically biased application, it really makes me wonder if i want to be a do. someone change it already! we all need to send personal emails to aacom, tell them about this politically biased application!

    If you agrees with me, you can just copy this email, and send it to [email protected], or [email protected]
     
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    I will be more than happy to write the AACOM in regards to your grievances. Just a few conditions, though.

    First, I would like for you to bring me a formal apology from President Jiang Zemin for the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre of students who were pro-democracy, and assurance from Mr. Zemin that China is in no way a communist regime.

    I would also like you to contact non-U.S. citizens and demand that they no longer refer to this nation as "America", but instead "The United States of America".

    Works for me, how about you?

    (In cased you missed it, I was being sarcastic. Please take your political squabble to a message board created for politics.)
     
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    let's review usa's own history.

    during the 70's, usa government did the same thing to its own students. how many students were killed during the protest?

    through the years, so-called "riots" were happening from los angeles to cincinatti (if i remembered correctly), those are not "riots." Those were the real people who are fed up of the racial discrminations, they are truly pro-equality.

    Also let's go back to the orginal starting point.

    Washington was not that great man as you have learned.

    Washington was the president who decided not to fight with the native Americans, instead, he decided to burn out their food storage, therefore, those native americans were forced to surrender to the white power.


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    First, I would like for you to bring me a formal apology from President Jiang Zemin for the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre of students who were pro-democracy, and assurance from Mr. Zemin that China is in no way a communist regime.

    I would also like you to contact non-U.S. citizens and demand that they no longer refer to this nation as "America", but instead "The United States of America".

    Works for me, how about you?

    (In cased you missed it, I was being sarcastic. Please take your political squabble to a message board created for politics.)
     
  5. youngjock

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    aacom can't exist without involving politics. This is not a political forum, however, this is about aacom's application.

    The fact that aacom chose to name "people's republic of China" as "communist" China, that is very politically biased.

    That is not a fact, that is a biased slander. Just like "ghetto south central los angeles."
     
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    Are you really serious???? Isn't the point about aacom's application??

    Actually, if you read books, The people's republic of China IS communist.
    The comment is innappropriate and a "slander"-- but it is true.
    I agree with your bringing it to aacom's attention and i also agree that you should take this post somewhere else.
     
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    This is a forum for the DOs.

    They made up the bodies of the aacom.

    where else do you suggest to post this complain? I have personally sent complains to aacom. Their email to me was "thank you for your concern." something like that, I can't remember the exact word.

    They are insensitive. They maybe well trained to be racial sensitive, but they are very politically discrminative.

    Are you just one of them?
     
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    YoungJock, Are you trying to say there aren't two Koreas and that China isn't communist? I have a friend who's a Chinese communist, one of the nicest guys you could ever know. I think he'de walk over hot coals to help you if you needed help. But he is a communist from a communist nation and he frely admits it. We have some interisting political discussions which I think we both gain a lot from. Are you a communist? I'm wondering where this hostility to calling a communist nation a communist nation is coming from?

    where else do you suggest to post this complain?

    It would probably be better not to complain or post this at all. And btw, what does George Washington's brilliant strategy of cutting off the enemies food supply have to do with Communist China?
     
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    There are two Korea, however, aacom application listed them as

    "Korea,
    Korea, North"

    That simply doesn't make sense. Check out aamc.org's application, that is more right. It listed two korea with their full names.

    Second, I have no problem of calling China as a communist country. However, to most people in the states, anything associated with communist is bad. Even the immigration forms ask foreigners if they were/are ever a member of Nazi or communist! That is so very out dated. If the goverment thinks that communists are as bad as the nazis, then it shouldn't let any chinese leaders coming to this country, because they are all communists.

    First of all, Native Americans are not your enemies. white men came to this country to rob the land from native Americans. And Washington is one of them! he is not a great man as you have learned, because most of the history books have hidden the fact that washington burned americans' food supply to destory them.

    how can you start a country based on other innocent people's tragedy?! Therefore, he is not a great man to me at all.
     
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    Communism is bad. If you've ever met an immigrant from the USSR you'de know some stories of how oppressed the people are. They just think America is a paradise of freedom and they are so grateful to have escaped the tyranny of the USSR.

    At the time there were friendly tribes and hostile enemy tribes. And yes, the indians were savages and they were the enemy. Some tribes even practiced cannibalism. They were warlike and vengeful, they were the enemy. There were some friendly tribes, but mostly they wee the enemy. If you were on a conastoga wagon heading west, are were attacked by Apache's trying to kill you and your family you would think of them as the enemy, as they were.
     
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    What is your obsession with Washington? I consider him a great man and the father of the country I love. We all make mistakes. Even though you have no documentation to back any of your assertions, Washington did what was best for his country. Survival of the fittest.
     
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    this discussion really isn't worth the time it takes me to type BUT i'm dying to know if you can name many long lasting nations/groups that have started or been created that didn't do it on behalf of anothers fall/demise.

    STILL, what does this have to do with aacom's application???
    And even more important-- what does this have to do with DO's??
     
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    I suggest that you improve your reading skill. In my first post and the subject, it was very clear that I am here to talk about the politicalically disminative aacom application.

    First of all, those so-called "communist" countries are not communist, they are socialist countries. If you want to argue, 1, read Karl Marx, 2, study those country names.

    second, there are still quite a few so-called "communist" countries in the world, however, aacom only picked China in its application as "China, communist." Cuba is a well known "communist" country, aacom did not put "communist" right by Cuba. China's full name is not "communist China." Just like south central los angele's full name is not "black ghetto los angeles."

    At last, maybe that is why the reason the usa government is supporting Israel, because both of them were based on destroying other people's life. Maybe you already forgot that the fact that most nations in the world did not have to invade and destory other nations in order to establish their own, such as vietnam, mexico, etc, etc.
     
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    No, communism is not bad. Mcarthy was bad for killing any communist supsects in the usa. That was something you should remember.

    immigrants from ussr do not think that usa is the paradise, at least not all of them. There are many of them who were doctors, lawyers, etc, etc, they came to this country and work as dishwashers, cab drivers, etc, etc. How "great" did they feel?

    white men came to this country to destroy native americans, that is not a "discover" of the new land! If the constitution gives everyone the right to keep their own properties, did those founding "fathers" forgot the fact that their rights to possess was based on stealing?!

    white men were truly the enemy of the Americans. Americans did not invite white men to come over to here, and destory their tribes, their lands. Were they given any "democracy and human rights" considerations that the usa government today so proudly claim to behold?

    washington is not a great man, and you think that you live in a free country where you have the access to free information, but your textbooks dare not to tell you what he did to destroy americans living in this land. bascially, those white men just don't want to pay taxes, that was their purpose of starting a country of their own.

     
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    At the risk of continuing a dumb thread, that was seemingly posted in order to have a little message board brawl, I'll weigh in.

    The topic being: AACOM is politically biased, I've got to ask, "What did you expect?" In a political world, you're surprised that people and organizations aren't always apolitical?

    In regards to Communist china, etc., I don't really care. I've got better things to worry about, and I won't be sending AACOM a nasty email anytime soon.

    About Washington, nobody's perfect. But I do get sick of tabloid pseudo-history trying to bring up any dirt on beloved leaders. Especially when that dirt seems ideologically or politically motivated. And especially when there's no credible sources given to document what really happened.

    On the other hand, the policies of various goverment agencies, organizations, and public figures have been really bad towrds Native Americans. (But don't think I'm buying into the "White Man's Fault" mentality. It's absolutely stupid to pin past injustices on every "white" man. In addition, it can contribute to the debilitating victimization that native Americans can't succumb to, if we hope to improve life on today's reservation.)
     
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    sanjuansun....amen!!
     
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    aacom is wrong for insisting its discrminative political views, and it is wrong for refusing to change its application mistakes.

    And you are all wrong for contributing the persistence of its political discrmination view. By not voicing your concernts to aacom, you are perputuating their biased polictal view.

    You all know that it is not ok to call a black person the n word, and it is not ok to call a ghetto a ghetto. Then why is it ok to call China, the communist country when most of you do not have a pleasant view about anything related to communist? A black person can live in a ghetoo, but s/he would be offended if you say that s/he is from the ghetto.

    Why is MD better than DO? It seems to me that MDs at aamc.org are more politically right, and more open to an equal political view. So many of you in this DO forum have already showed me why DO is not popular. How are you going to deal with your patients when you can't accept opposite views?

    As for washington, you think that you live in a "free" world where you can get all the information that you can get. then you are blind.

    Here is a credible source for you.

    check out web site http://www.disinfo.com better yet, check out their book called <B>You are being lied to</B>

    http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=disinfo.1662554

    Then you know why your history books did not tell you everything about the true washington.

    There is no reason to blindly worship some dead guy when you don't even know his full history. Those founding fathers' motivation was very simple, they don't want to pay taxes, and they want to keep all the slaves for themsevles.

    yea, the white men killed most Americans, then they say, hey, let's give them some ghetoo places, and let's call those places "reservations," to me, it is more like concentration camps.
    And I also found it is idiotically funny for those "free tibet" activtists, they should spend all their time on their own native Americans whose culture and life have already truly destoryed by white men long long time ago. ]
     
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    I am not strong enough to withstand temptation. I just can't help myself from responding to this post, although I firmly resolve to do so from now on. (Yeah, right.) :) I'll just respond point by point:

    - I've always loved the old If-your-not-for-my-cause-you're-against-it mentality. Have you stopped for a second to wonder why no one is rushing o your defense? Because no one really cares!

    - Trying to compare your ghetto analogy to this is a straw man fallacy. It's not the same situation. And for the record, the PRC IS a communist country, even if most Americans only have bad associations with the word (for good reason).

    - How this relates to MDs and DOs I'll never know. But if you're saying you're basing an opinion about one or the other on this issue, my guess is that you have your mind made up already. But you did bring up a good point about patients and opposite views. Seems to me that addressing opposing points entails an effort to attempt to reason about the subject. several have tried in this thread, and instead of responding to us you've gottrn upset, ignored our points, and rambled on. And you want to lecture us on opposing opinions? "Hello, Pot? This is Kettle calling..."

    - About Geo. Washington. You call those credible sources? LOL! At least I would have expected you to cite someone who is actually in the field of academic history. Not some wingnuts with a website, whose stated purpose is to shake up the establishment, trying to relive their hippie glory days.

    - I absolutely agree about blindly worshipping dead guys, for obvious reasons. But, those reasons also expressly would reject beleiving anything that someone puts up on a website. Just because it's published, or in this case, on the Web, doesn't make it true. In the words of Chuck D: "Don't believe the hype."

    - Also, your analysis of the Founding Fathers only wanting slaves and less taxes in underwhelming. To even make a generalization about such a diverse group, much less such an incorrect one, speaks for itself.

    - I do agree about Native American reservations. I'm very intimately aware of life on the res. But, worrying about what the "White Man" did over a hundred years ago doesn't help now.

    - About the "Free Tibet" people, they make me chuckle a little bit too.

    In the end youngjock, your intentions seem noble enough. If you truly are young, I hope that time tempers your zeal with wisdom. And don't fall into the trap of thinking "everything you know is wrong". A lot of that is ideologically motivated garbage.
     
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    youngster-- apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.
     
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    This topic probably belongs to the lounge section.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I agree with the author of the thread. I am an osteopathic student and I want nothing but the best for all of my DO colleague's. We are professionals and AACOM is a professional organization. Identifying the People's Republic of China as China, communist is not professional and is just outdated. I am not defending PR China and its human rights record. Also there are two Koreas, one is the Republic of Korea (South) and the other is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North). I don't think that youngjock "hates" DO's or aacom, s/he is just expressing his/her opinion. S/he does not deserve all the abuse. This country was founded upon radical and dissenting opinions. Nazism was founded upon fear of retribution when people don't conform to fascist ideals. I love this country and I love the freedom that we have, but dissenting opinions and criticism for the government made this country great. And if you really believe that the U.S. government's human rights record at home and at abroad is clean, then it's obvious that you've never taken a college level course in U.S. history or ethnic studies.
     
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    I don't think anyone is for the "China, communist" designation. I Do think that people don't really care about it, and find a call to arms over it a waste of time. Should AACOM be more professional? Sure! Should we freak out about this thing? Probably not, I'm sure we all have better things to do with our time.

    Much of the criticism directed at youngjock has nothing to do with an attept to keep a young dissenter down. It has everything to do with inflammatory, inaccurate, and potentially offensive remarks and tactics.

    A word about dissension. Allowing dissent is a fundamental precursor to a democratic society, I'm sure we all agree. But let's not forget that examination of such dissension, and rejection of it as the case may be, is also a prerequisite to democracy. Let's not unnessecarily protect dissension just for dissension's sake. And let's certainly not confuse the debunking of youngjock's highly suspect assertions as facism. I would think that we would want to use a word like "facism" with the greatest of care.
     
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    My salute to Rickmyster78! finally, there is someone who actually
    see this country in a realistic view.

    Because most white DOs and students don't care about the deragative word that aacom chose to name China, that does not mean that it is right for aacom to use it. That is blatant ignorance. If aacom still use "negro" on its web page, you probably won't care,either; because you all have "better" things to do?

    By naming China a communist country (which was the only "communist" country in the whole list that has a "communisted" attached with it), and refuse to change, that is <b> very wrong</b>. Because anyone who is from China will be forced to choose it as there is no alternative way to select his/her own country origin. As I have said before, China is a socialist country, if you read Karl Marx, you would know the difference of communist and socialist. your political ignorance doesn't make it right to call China a communist country.


    By naming the "south korea" as "korea," and "north korea" as "korea, north," that just shows the aacom is in a very bad mentality shape. Either they don't have a mental checker or its president need to booted, that is simply <b>illogic</b>. From this one simple problem, we can see how big a problem aacom is having! Do those DOs at aacom consider brain and fore brain the same thing?

    Somehow, I am not surprised what you are getting into, for an organization that doesn't do spell check, check for logic, and refuse to change, how do you expect your patients to know what a DO is?

    As for washington again, you should read the book "<B>YOU ARE BEING LIED TO </B>," that is an actual book that you can read, not just a web site. your history textbooks dare not to publish any bad about this country, because they are afriad that their books will not sale, and their books will not be chosen. Once again, you were not able to learn, that does not mean that what you know is everything there is to know.

    your founding fathers did not abolish slaves, and they did not give equal voting rights even to their own white females. What they gave was equal rights for every white men.
     
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    Kids,

    Having been here awhile, I've found that it works best when you simply ignore youngjock. While his/her intentions may <sometimes> be in the right place, s/he is an idiot and cannot be reasoned with.

    I say this not to be mean. It's just something I've observed time and time again.

    Peace,
     
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