AAIMG gone Bye Bye!

[CVPA]

Hey imagine that, the AAIMG's website is NO LONGER there (www.aaimg.com). What a surprise!!!

I can't stand this kind of BS. Just goes to show you, Caribbean medical education is a BUSINESS with unscrupulous people trying to knock out the competition. Not that I am implying that you can't get a good education there, its just too bad that these kind of people are associated with these schools.

 

[turtleboard]

What's AAIMG?


Tim of New York City.

 

[CVPA]

It was the American Association of International Medical Graduates. This was a bogus organization that sold itself as an independant organization that evaluated Caribbean medical schools. As it turns out, there is no one at their listed address in Nevada and they were probably formed by one of the Caribbean medical schools to promote themselves while dogging the competition. Nice, huh?

 

[stephew]

Remember, US schools are not quite so totally philantrhopic themselves.

The schools are a business but the issue is do they care about education as well. Some do. Its a dastardly thing when the unscrupulous give the rest a bad name but what can you do but be honest?
All the best

[This message has been edited by stephew (edited 11-07-2000).]

[This message has been edited by stephew (edited 11-07-2000).]

 

[turtleboard]

I would like to remind my distinguished colleague and senior from SUNY Upstate Medical University that all US medical schools, both MD and DO, are not-for-profit entities while all Island medical schools are businesses that make their Board of Directors and investors a lot of money (more so in recent years).

If you are talking about the hospitals connected to many US medical schools, that's sort of another story.

But if US medical school hospitals were supposed to be businesses, the great majority of them are failures, most prominently in my mind right now is SUNY Stony Brook Health Sciences Center (according to a recent New York Times article). Ha Ha.

Tim of New York City, home of many, many failing hospitals.

[This message has been edited by turtleboard (edited 11-09-2000).]

 

[stephew]

Hello old friend!

Yes yes, State schools are non profit but other little places like, say, harvard, are indeed making $$$. COmmon on, lG-town is more expensive than SGU (or was a couple years ago- I dont regularly check). Now of course there is academic integrity. And some off shore schools give a damn too. That's my only point.

And I must say, perhaps sgu should open a business school as they are most certainly NOT a failed business! But the bottom line is they give a good "product" (ugly term).

I miss SUNY Upstate by the way; miss the skiing. Ah well, reidency must go on. ...and on, and on...

[This message has been edited by stephew (edited 11-10-2000).]

 

[stwei]

Website is still up - and I don't see what is wrong about their claims - better to be careful than careless

 

[stwei]

Besides, they had some comments on european universities as well

 

[panacea]

Besides, they had some comments on european universities as well

The AMSA (American Medical Student Association) discusses the AAIMG (American Association of IMGs) on this page:
http://www.amsa.org/intl/ecfmg.cfm

"The AAIMG's list of schools is not complete, but it might be an excellent foundation from which to build on, and hopefully it can be expanded with funding from ECFMG. For more information, you can visit the AAIMG's website at www.aaimg.com"

The above is a quote from that page. I have serious reservations about the site.

Info on aaimg.com -- they are run out of Russia.
==============
Domain Name: AAIMG.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS0.XNAME.ORG
Name Server: NS5.SPB.RU
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 19-nov-2003
Creation Date: 02-nov-1999
Expiration Date: 02-nov-2006

{snip}
Registrant:
AAIMG
1802 N. Carson Street
Carson City, Nevada 89701
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: AAIMG.COM
Created on: 02-Nov-99
Expires on: 02-Nov-06
Last Updated on: 19-Nov-03

Administrative Contact:
Demkin, Andrew [email protected]
60, Moika emb. apt.33
Saint-Petersburg, 90000
RUS
+7 812 3147397 Fax -- +7 812 3147397
Technical Contact:
Demkin, Andrew [email protected]
60, Moika emb. apt.33
Saint-Petersburg, 90000
RUS
+7 812 3147397 Fax -- +7 812 3147397

Domain servers in listed order:
NS5.SPB.RU
NS0.XNAME.ORG
==============
This info can be obtained with a web browser from this site:
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml

The address "1802 North Carson Street, Carson City, NV 89701" does actually exist... it has a computer store (Geek's of Nevada). Their yellowpages listing is here:
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/l...ity&S=NV&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=Find+It
The store's web page is here:
http://www.nevadageek.net/

According to the whois AAIMG is based in NV. The Nevada Board of Medical Examiners does NOT have a "Thomas Moore" (the president of AAIMG) on record -- http://medboard.nv.gov/

AAIMG contact email addresses are hotmail accounts -- seems somewhat dubious.

Claims to be a "non-profit organization" ... yet has the domain ".com"
http://www.aaimg.com/misst.html

I have the impression the AAIMG is a dubious web site that has a hidden agenda and isn't worthy of a positive review on the AMSA site. Personally, if I were an AMSA member I'd want the reference removed from the AMSA web site.

 

[prefontaine]

What information on the AAIMG site is inaccurate?

The AMSA (American Medical Student Association) discusses the AAIMG (American Association of IMGs) on this page:
http://www.amsa.org/intl/ecfmg.cfm

"The AAIMG's list of schools is not complete, but it might be an excellent foundation from which to build on, and hopefully it can be expanded with funding from ECFMG. For more information, you can visit the AAIMG's website at www.aaimg.com"

The above is a quote from that page. I have serious reservations about the site.

Info on aaimg.com -- they are run out of Russia.
==============
Domain Name: AAIMG.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS0.XNAME.ORG
Name Server: NS5.SPB.RU
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 19-nov-2003
Creation Date: 02-nov-1999
Expiration Date: 02-nov-2006

{snip}
Registrant:
AAIMG
1802 N. Carson Street
Carson City, Nevada 89701
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: AAIMG.COM
Created on: 02-Nov-99
Expires on: 02-Nov-06
Last Updated on: 19-Nov-03

Administrative Contact:
Demkin, Andrew [email protected]
60, Moika emb. apt.33
Saint-Petersburg, 90000
RUS
+7 812 3147397 Fax -- +7 812 3147397
Technical Contact:
Demkin, Andrew [email protected]
60, Moika emb. apt.33
Saint-Petersburg, 90000
RUS
+7 812 3147397 Fax -- +7 812 3147397

Domain servers in listed order:
NS5.SPB.RU
NS0.XNAME.ORG
==============
This info can be obtained with a web browser from this site:
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml

The address "1802 North Carson Street, Carson City, NV 89701" does actually exist... it has a computer store (Geek's of Nevada). Their yellowpages listing is here:
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/l...ity&S=NV&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=Find+It
The store's web page is here:
http://www.nevadageek.net/

According to the whois AAIMG is based in NV. The Nevada Board of Medical Examiners does NOT have a "Thomas Moore" (the president of AAIMG) on record -- http://medboard.nv.gov/

AAIMG contact email addresses are hotmail accounts -- seems somewhat dubious.

Claims to be a "non-profit organization" ... yet has the domain ".com"
http://www.aaimg.com/misst.html

I have the impression the AAIMG is a dubious web site that has a hidden agenda and isn't worthy of a positive review on the AMSA site. Personally, if I were an AMSA member I'd want the reference removed from the AMSA web site.

 

[xanthines]

Harvard's tuition rate definitely doesn't cover the cost of operating a medical school. As far as I know, no medical school's tuition even comes close. Most, if not all, American medical schools "lose" money. A lot of med schools, even private ones, receive some government money, FYI. The only way a medical school can really make money is: 1. to be smart about its investments, 2. to be shrewd when nenegotiating with hospitals, 3. and to loot/plunder/pillage the research money from its professors.

-X

Yes yes, State schools are non profit but other little places like, say, harvard, are indeed making $$$.

 

[Skip Intro]

The only way a medical school can really make money is: 1. to be smart about its investments, 2. to be shrewd when nenegotiating with hospitals, 3. and to loot/plunder/pillage the research money from its professors.

You forgot the biggest one...

4. Private Endowment$

-$kip

 

[Skip Intro]

What information on the AAIMG site is inaccurate?

Exactly.

-Skip

 

[panacea]

What information on the AAIMG site is inaccurate?

I think the question ought to be: what information on the AAIMG site is accurate?
In other words, how do you know that the information that is presented is accurate, if the AAIMG doesn't even exist at the address on their web site?

 

[wolfvgang22]

AAIMG may be bogus, but I think their info is legit, though perhaps a little dated.

Everything posted there jives with what students and alumni of various schools have confirmed to me via telephone, e-mail, in person, and through written correspondence.

I have a suspicion about which school in particular is behind the site, but the information posted on the site checks out if you do your research.

 

[snaklee]

Fact 1:

Only real Americans in real american medical schools can be certified as FIT for medical practice.

No other country in the world has doctors or physicians.

America is special in this regard.

Fact 2:

If traveling overseas, be equiped with the latest American medical student (don't leave home without IT) because medicine is not practiced anywhere except America.

Fact 3: American medical schools have always been and shall always be for ever and for ever into eternity.
ie the first day of history eternal the American medical school was founded with all of its splendor and greatness.
then came man.
The American medical school needed company so man was created for the school.

etc, etc, etc

 

[Skip Intro]

Fact 1:

Only real Americans in real american medical schools can be certified as FIT for medical practice.

No other country in the world has doctors or physicians.

America is special in this regard.

Fact 2:

If traveling overseas, be equiped with the latest American medical student (don't leave home without IT) because medicine is not practiced anywhere except America.

Fact 3: American medical schools have always been and shall always be for ever and for ever into eternity.
ie the first day of history eternal the American medical school was founded with all of its splendor and greatness.
then came man.
The American medical school needed company so man was created for the school.

etc, etc, etc

GREAT trolling!!

Do you know who Albert Schweitzer is? Just curious.

-Skip

 

[Miklos]

I have a suspicion about which school in particular is behind the site, but the information posted on the site checks out if you do your research.

Ok, I'll bite.

Which school do you suspect?

Miklos