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thanks to the orthos for this lovely conclusion. So what will the Orthopods conclude is appropriate, vertebrectomy?
i have had quite a few patients in my office in tears, dyspneic because of their pain, not responding to opioids... - i am convinced that a v-plasty is what they really need.... however, by the time i get them scheduled for a v-plasty their pain is usually already better....
i am starting to believe that waiting 3-6 weeks is just as effective if not more than v-plasty.... on the other hand, the patient ain't too happy about those 3-6 weeks
most of the 87 year olds who have compression fractures are hardly "high-functioning"... they spend most of their day sitting in a chair/recliner, playing bingo or watching TV...
and yes, most patients do fine with time --- one of the problems with "injectionists" or "fellows" or "young, highly-functioning patients" is that everything needs to be treated with a procedure right away... that is the beauty of PT... not because PT does much, but rather, because most people get better with time, but at least they feel like something is being done...
Let me fracture your T12 and see how well you do playing bingo. We are not the ones to determine the daily activities. We are here to allow them to do theirs with less pain. Tsk tsk.
playing the devil's advocate here, but do you really have that strong of a case? so, the little old lady needs to be in pain for a few weeks. i dont like it any more than you do, but if they get to the same place, what is truly the harm? these patients are largely medicare, and the payment for the procedure is pretty high. this is exactly the type of procedure that patients should be allowed to pay out of pocket for, rather than use taxpayer dollars. if you take yourself out of the sphere of pain medicine and look at it logically, its not that cut and dried.
i suppose the same thing can be said for any injection we do, but nevertheless.....
lobel - your last post completely went against the point you made initially....
treating compression fractures the old fashioned way with bracing, analgesics and time is just as effective a v-plasty in my experience (not as satisfying though)... and considering MOST patients get better with time, i think conservative care is appropriate
based on your initial argument, maybe all disc herniations should be treated with immediate surgical discectomy??? i don't think so...
my rule is: if you can sit in a chair, or walk to the bathroom, with minimal assistance, on pain meds, then NO v-plasty
if you can't sit upright, if you can't transfer out of bed, despite optimal drug management and a few days, it's a go for v-plasty...
so far, in my experience, less than 20% end up getting v-plasty
playing the devil's advocate here, but do you really have that strong of a case? so, the little old lady needs to be in pain for a few weeks. i dont like it any more than you do, but if they get to the same place, what is truly the harm? these patients are largely medicare, and the payment for the procedure is pretty high. this is exactly the type of procedure that patients should be allowed to pay out of pocket for, rather than use taxpayer dollars. if you take yourself out of the sphere of pain medicine and look at it logically, its not that cut and dried.
i suppose the same thing can be said for any injection we do, but nevertheless.....
If vertebroplasty is not effective, then neither is kyphoplasty. Hopefully the new studies that are coming out will poke holes in the AAOS position but for now perhaps their stance may mean more pain docs doing plasties
this is is my point, if vertebro is ineffective then so is kypho, but have you noticed none of the AAOS or other opponents ever say kyphoplasty?