ABS Prostate/Gyn School 2014

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  1. CptCrunch

    CptCrunch Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Registration is $250 this year for residents on the online registration form. It used to be free. What gives?
     
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  3. Chartreuse Wombat

    Chartreuse Wombat 2+ Year Member

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    Health care reform. Pure and simple.
     
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    Gfunk6 And to think . . . I hesitated Lifetime Donor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    This is part and parcel of an increasingly gratuitous cash grab from academic societies across the board.
     
  5. Chartreuse Wombat

    Chartreuse Wombat 2+ Year Member

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    Perhaps. One person's "cash grab" is another's attempt to provide educational products in the setting of decreased contributions from vendors and reduced registration numbers as physicians respond to the reimbursement landscape. Academic societies are not a profit-making enterprise, As Milton Friedman said long ago there is no free lunch. The sooner that resident's learn this truth the better.
     
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    wagy27 SDN Mentor 7+ Year Member

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    At 750 for each or 1250 total for ABS members, it seems as though the 250 is not needed to cover the resident side of the equation. While we should be teaching residents about the economics of our specialty we also should put forth common sense and put education above that. Raise the attending cost 50 bucks or so and get vendors to quick in more. The product placement at these things sells product, so why not treat it as a business and get something that will benefit the next generation.

    Academic societies are not profit-making but that doesnt ensure that how they spend is in the best interest of the teaching residents and helping the next generation of radiation oncologists.
     
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    Gfunk6 And to think . . . I hesitated Lifetime Donor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    Keep in mind that non-profit is not the same as 'not profit making.'

    Just because an organization is designated a 'non-profit' that doesn't mean they don't compensate their physician executives lavishly.
     
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    Charging a reduced fee for residents seems completely reasonable. Suggesting raising fees on non-residents physicians, industry or whatever Other Than You entity sounds like passing the buck. The poor think the middle class/rich should pay all taxes in this country. The middle-class thinks only the 1% should pay them. We ask our patients, many of whom are on strict budgets, to pay nominal co-pays to see us. I have no problem paying a small fee to attend classes. Our education is not meant to be free or a charity. A resident discount of 80% from $1250 seems perfectly reasonable to me. As was stated earlier, "not-for-profit" does not equate to not needing to generate income.
     
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    wagy27 SDN Mentor 7+ Year Member

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    As someone on the attending side of things, I disagree. I would gladly put a few more bucks in the pot to help residents get education for free, I remember what it was like not that long ago. Getting money from industry to cover this also makes sense, they are benefiting immensely by getting the exposure and covering the costs for residents may just get them in the door to sell products down the road, a win win.

    This isn't germaine to the taxation argument, we are all going to be in the top 1-5% pretty much. Its the idea that we are a small specialty that has the means to insulate our residents and trainees from the economic realities of further education.

    These not for profits as others have noted doesnt mean that the money is spent on all not for profit issues, there are still people making money there. Why not direct the spending in a way that benefits the specialty the most, educating the next generation?
     
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    Chartreuse Wombat 2+ Year Member

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    Agreed but rest assured that ABS has no physician executives. As a former board member and elected officer of ABS I can assure you that no physician is paid lavishly from the ABS. Faculty receive a token honorarium (200 dollars as of a few years ago) for their efforts. The major costs are room space and the "required" food and beverage minimums which the hotels include as part of their contract. Compared with other scientific specialty societies (e.g. Radium Society) the ABS dues and meeting fees are low.

    This post started with a resident wondering about registration fees. I suspect that residents attending the meeting will be reimbursed by their programs (as happens at the three programs with which I have been affiliated) and I would venture a guess that a $250 registration fee would keep very few residents from attending if they had planned to go otherwise.
     
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