Adcoms prefer minors or majors in spanish ?

[J.Pearlman]

Hello everyone. I have heard the scoop from a few advisors that spanish speaking applicants (or applicants majoring in spanish) are prefered, specially in ny area. Now, since med schools dont really check your transcript for what courses you took, I can declare a major in spanish having not even taken a single class in spanish. A double major - BIO and Spanish - but the catch is that I will only graduate with a bio major. Does anyone know if they would check whether i graduate with both degrees or do they just care that I have a bachelors in anything. And I also speak OK spanish in case the adcoms want to bring it up in the interview. I don't think that I can get away with this without some suspicion so I want to execute it just right. Thanks for your help.

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[praying4MD]

Someone please tell me this is a joke-- not a very funny one at that.

 

[serpiente]

"Now, since med schools dont really check your transcript for what courses you took..."

Of course they check, silly! Well AMCAS AND the schools do it. No one could ever get away with that. If you can speak Spanish, fine, just say that on your application (there is a space to put what languages you are fluent in). That will suffice. You don't have to major/minor etc. For God's sakes don't try what you are suggesting. No way it would ever work.

 

[Coalboy]

I say go for it! And while you're at it, put all sorts of other lies on your application! They'll never know. I said I was the 40th president of the United States, the second man on the moon ("second comes right after first"), and I performed the first one-handed kidney transplant (in record time, to boot); I haven't been called on it yet.

 

[J.Pearlman]

Ok, AMCAS doesnt care what major you declare, and it doesn't check what you graduate with. I am just bringing this up to take advantage of any loops in the system. Thats all part of "doing anything to get in". Lets get into the morals of it. If it works, why not.

 

[Wednesday]

•••quote:••• Ok, AMCAS doesnt care what major you declare, and it doesn't check what you graduate with. ••••But you will eventually have to submit your transcripts to the med school where you matriculate. I don't think you're undergraduate school will be likely to lie about this just to help you out.

BTW I would say the "morals of this" are that it isn't good to lie on your AMCAS app. Earth shattering, huh?

 

[serpiente]

Listen kid, you have to send your official transcripts to AMCAS with your courses and majors listed on them. While AMCAS specialists certainly aren't geniuses, they will notice if you declare a Spanish major and have no Spanish classes listed on your transcript. Secondly when a school accepts you and you choose to go there, AMCAS and/or your school sends them your official transcripts. Then it will defintely be obvious that you lied.

When people get accepted to med school during senior year etc, many of them would like to quit school or start getting D's etc. Well that can't be done because medical schools receive your final transcripts from your school, and reserve the right to reject you if you start failing or withdraw from school etc. You would certainly be rejected for failing to complete a major or lying about it in the first place.

Obviously you don't know much about the application process or you wouldn't claim that such a thing is possible.

 

[jargon124]

At some schools, especially Arizona and others in Cali, Texas, New Mexico, etc...where the spanish speaking patient population is very high, speaking spanish is very desirable and may very well set you apart from other applicants. Of course, you have to be fluent...you can't BS them about it, so don't even try.

 

[rajneel1]

whoaaaaa pearlman,
you are incredibly creepy and lack a lot of integrity. i'm scared that you will be one of my collegues!

 

[rajneel1]

whoaaaaa pearlman,
you are incredibly creepy and lack a lot of integrity. i'm scared that you will be one of my collegues!

 

[jargon124]

I have to say, I hadn't read the original post fully before, and now that I have I am disgusted...not to get on a moral high-horse, but if you are serious about what you posted, I really pity your future classmates/patients/colleagues. Rajneel hit this on the ball.

 

[Coalboy]

Perhaps law would be a better career for him...

 

[mma]

I kind of feel like J.Pearlman MUST be joking. The post does not make sense otherwise. I mean, yes, we want to get into med school, but to outright lie in such a major way to do so is unbelievable.

Meanwhile, maybe we should be encouraging him/her to lie--at least then he/she can be punished by adcoms and be kept from ever matriculating in a US med school...

The lack of morals indicated in the original post is astounding.

I still can't believe it.

mma

 

[megkudos]

If you accepted with the stipulation that you are going to double major, they (the school you are going to) will check it after you graduate when they get your final transcripts. (if they don't notice it earlier that you haven't taken any classes in that major...duh!) When they see that you did not fulfill what you said you were going to they would have a right to recind your acceptance.

I actually knew a kid who was going to do this with a double psych major....say he was majoring in it then drop it....I can't believe people....HELLO!!! I aggree that it scares me these people will be my collegues one day.

 

[brandonite]

Maybe he just wants to have something to talk about on his Duke essay. "My decision to lie/bend the truth on my AMCAS".

 

[Medical123]

Unless you are pretty fluent in Spanish, you had better hope that you don't get a Spanish speaking interviewer!

 

[basha]

so what if you speak spanish, taking care of patients comes first and if you are ready to lie every chance you get........you get the point.
perlman - are you spanish-speaking or are you latin american, because if you are the later, getting into medical school should be a breeze so don't try anything ridiculous like this.

 

[Doctora Foxy]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by J.Pearlman:
•Hello everyone. I have heard the scoop from a few advisors that spanish speaking applicants (or applicants majoring in spanish) are prefered, specially in ny area. Now, since med schools dont really check your transcript for what courses you took, I can declare a major in spanish having not even taken a single class in spanish. A double major - BIO and Spanish - but the catch is that I will only graduate with a bio major. Does anyone know if they would check whether i graduate with both degrees or do they just care that I have a bachelors in anything. And I also speak OK spanish in case the adcoms want to bring it up in the interview. I don't think that I can get away with this without some suspicion so I want to execute it just right. Thanks for your help.•••••J pearlman, you have really pissed me off, and I'm usually nice to people on SDN. I am double majoring in Spanish Language and Literature and Latin American Studies. I have devoted my undergrauate career to learning Spanish and Hispanic cultue (no I am not Latina, learned it from scratch), and the fact that you could lie about it shows that you are an untrustworthy a$$hole and would make a horrible doctor. Your stupid plan will not work b/c adcoms can see what classes you took until your junior year, and if you haven't started the major, it will show. I think you are an idiot for posting the above quote. The reason med schools have interviews are because of people like you--they want to distinguish the honorable, hardworking, trustworthy applicants from slimy lying a$$holes like yourself. Please reevaluate if you are really sure you want to be handling human lives, because if you were my doctor, I would run for my life!

I am really pissed...I have been fuming about this post for the past hour in class. I really hate you pearlman I can not put into words how angry I am right now

 

[AmateurChef]

Whoa. I'll echo Rajneel on this one. This is definitely pretty creepy.

 

[Coalboy]

•••quote:•••Maybe he just wants to have something to talk about on his Duke essay. "My decision to lie/bend the truth on my AMCAS".••••"And how my noble friends on SDN saved me from meyself."

 

[J.Pearlman]

You need to understand that I am not doing this, medical schools are being unfair to us by selecting applicants on these tiny facts that we aren't told anything about. And we should take advantage of it fully. If I took spanish courses it could not only look good for adcoms but it could help me perfect my spanish and communicate better with my patients. And no im not latino, I have to struggle just like everyone else.

 

[Trek]

Wow man, you really suck and seem like a terrible person. Go ahead and do it, i can't wait till it catches up with you and bites you in the ass. --Trek

 

[Doctora Foxy]

Quoted by J Pearlman: •••quote:••• If I took spanish courses it could not only look good for adcoms... ••••yes, but in your original post, you said you were not going to take spanish courses, just lie about it. I recommend taking them, it'll be good to be able to speak to Hispanic patients, but please don't lie about it! It's immoral and it'll catch up with you.

BTW I think you are too immature to go to med school. Also, med schools wanting you to learn Spanish is not a tiny hidden fact, it's an obvious necessity if you intend to practice in an urban location. Why don't you just be yourself and do what you want, and stop trying to do things just for ad coms. They'll see right through your facade!

 

[J.Pearlman]

grow up everyone. it wouldn't be possible for you to become so pisst if there wasnt some fact in what I said.

 

[Doctora Foxy]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by J.Pearlman:
•grow up everyone. it wouldn't be possible for you to become so pisst if there wasnt some fact in what I said.•••••Fu@$ you! I worked very hard for my Spanish major and the fact that a sleezeball like yourself can come and lie about it is what pisses me off! There's no truth to your idea...but go and try it Let's see how fast you get in. Admcoms are smarter than you think

 

[Trek]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by J.Pearlman:
•grow up everyone. it wouldn't be possible for you to become so pisst if there wasnt some fact in what I said.•••••Shut up, fool, and learn to spell "pissed" correctly next time. --Trek

 

[rajneel1]

there is no fact in what you said. AD COMS don't just accept people because they can speak Spanish, there is more involved than just that. so why don't hospitals just get more translators if that was all they wanted? it won't work but i dare you to try and fake a degree! i knew someone who tried to do that and my office caught her, it cost this person her UC career. i believe that they will catch you. I know schools that have recinded acceptances after looking at transcripts after you graduated.

 

[Medical123]

Seriously, Pearlman, I don't know how fluent you are in Spanish, but I really would not risk making the admissions committee think that I was if I truly weren't. If you are applying to a school with a high proportion of Spanish speaking residents in the area, it is possible that you could come across an interviewer who feels more comfortable talking to you in Spanish. It won't look good for you if you can't carry on a basic conversation with that person.

I know that you really want to get into medical school and I don't fault you for desiring to do so. However, I had an interview last year in which the director of admissions told us that she expected us to be nervous and that would not be held against us. However the one thing that they expected above all else was honesty. I don't know if this particular school has had a problem in the past or what, but she made it seem as if they found out that you were not being honest about something, they would flat out reject you. Whatever you do, just be careful. If you are fluent in Spanish, by all means, include it on your AMCAS application or find a way to incorporate it into your essay. If you get a secondary with an essay or questions about what you feel are important qualities for a physician, put being able to converse in both English and Spanish down and tell the admissions committee how you are working to accomplish this goal. Hopefully, if you do this, you will be okay. Good luck to you.

 

[idiot]

I have a double degree in Spanish and Biology (not a native-speaker either). Two of my interviewers (I applied in TX) mentioned they were native spanish-speakers. They never tried to "test" my speaking ability.

A Spanish degree is twice the work of a Biology degree, and the MCAT is nothing compared to the obligatory oral qualifying exam Spanish majors face. To lie about belonging to this "elite" group of undergraduates is tempting, I know, but highly contemptible. El que quiere el azul celeste, que le cueste.

 

[Doctora Foxy]

Muchas gracias Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Estoy de acuerdo contigo, completamente!

 

[sandflea]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by basha:
•
perlman - are you spanish-speaking or are you latin american, because if you are the later, getting into medical school should be a breeze...•••••um, are you really serious?

 

[Doctora Foxy]

By the way, I am a Spanish and Latin American Studies double major and I have not been accepted yet, so this whole theory doesn't hold true.

Speaking Spanish or being Latin American does not assure ANYTHING.

 

[mma]

sandflea, I am totally with you. basha's assumption is ridiculous.

HEY, LATINOS GET REJECTED FROM MED SCHOOL, TOO. It's not all as easy as many people seem to think... In addition to the difficulty of applying, we have to deal with all these ludicrous assumptions from people who judge us and disparage us on the basis of our nationalities and cultural heritage.

And I still think we should be encouraging JPearlman to shoot himself/herself in the foot.

mma

 

[Doctora Foxy]

•••quote:••• And I still think we should be encouraging JPearlman to shoot himself/herself in the foot.
••••ditto!

 

[Lecular]

My goodness.

Adcoms aren't stupid. If you say you're a spanish major, most likely they will give you a spanish speaking interviewer who will speak some spanish to you to make sure you aren't fibbing.

I understand that competition is rough but no matter how hard you try to screw the "system" or find loop holes, the system will hit you back even harder.

 

[basha]

My assumption on latinos getting accepted with lower numbers wasn't meant to offend fellow sdn'ers, it was to motivate jpearlman to reconsider his options. I don't think anyone needs to go as far as he is going. Its totally not worth it. I agree that part of getting into medical school is going all out, but everytime you're dishonest, you are taking a chance on your medical career. Also, i believe if you don't have the numbers for the school you don't belong there, meaning it would be real tough for you to keep up with the rest of the students. I hope this post teaches all of us gunners a lesson.

 

[WSUreds]

I have completed a Spanish minor and including high school have taken over 9 years of Spanish. In both of my interviews that I attended, the topic was discussed and both of the interviewers thought that it was a very beneficial and unique experience. Needless to say, I was accepted to both of these schools.

Having a wide range of activities and studies is the real key here, not just Spanish. But if you are leaning towards taking a foreign language, Spanish is the way to go, especially in the South, Texas or out West. Here in Ohio, the spanish-speaking population is very low.

 

[BlueFalcon]

Congrats, Perlman. You win the ******* of the year award. If you're looking for resume bullets, mention that award. I haven't posted in many moons, but the depths of your stupidity forced me to crawl from my hole. I'm not sure of your legitimate credentials, but I do know that someone with as deep a commitment to nitwittedness as yourself doesn't stand a chance in a med school interview. For that matter, you'd be hard-pressed to make it through a McDonald's interview unscathed.

 

[Jamier2]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by J.Pearlman:
•Ok, AMCAS doesnt care what major you declare, and it doesn't check what you graduate with.•••••I can't believe that you honestly think that the admissions committee that reviews your file, before you get the chance to show off your spanish speaking abilities, won't notice a disparity in Spanish classes for someone with a supposed Spanish major. I ain't even on an adcom, and I'd notice that in an instant.

 

[SocialistMD]

What I find the most interesting about this is how defensive and angry many of you are getting about this thread. You all know Pearlman's idea will never work. Why do you become so irate? Interesting...

idiot- I had several classmates whose interviews here were conducted completely in Spanish due to the fact that they said they were fluent, either on transcript or in the interview. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[Doctora Foxy]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by SocialistMD:
•What I find the most interesting about this is how defensive and angry many of you are getting about this thread. You all know Pearlman's idea will never work. Why do you become so irate? Interesting...

idiot- I had several classmates whose interviews here were conducted completely in Spanish due to the fact that they said they were fluent, either on transcript or in the interview. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen.•••••wow that's a scary thought..I would be so nervous if I had to speak during an interview in only Spanish, b/c it would catch me off guard completely! I guess I better practice in Spanish just in case :wink: But I guess it's legit