admission without a LOR from MD

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Hey....I posted this question earlier but phrased it in such a way that it was moved to another forum. How many people here have gotten in without a LOR from an MD/DO? I've noticed that no allopathic schools require this type of letter, but most applicants seem to have one. Anyone know of many students getting in without such a letter?


There weren't any physician shadowing programs in my area and no research involving physicians here that I could get into. I know I should have taken the initiative and just randomly called physicians and asked to shadow, but it's really too late for that now. About how much of a penalty is this at most schools? thanks....
 
I was accepted without one. My recs were all from professors. From what I understand, it is perfectly fine not to have a rec from an MD/DO. It's much more important for the letters to be from people who know you and your abilities well enough to write a good letter.
 
I got in without a letter form an MD/DO. What makes you think it is a necessity? I interviewed at some pretty cool places too.

In fact...only 2 of my 5 LORs came from people with PhDs
 
A letter from an MD/DO isn't necessary, and I doubt most applicants have one. Your letters should be from professors, research supervisors, employers (only if you're nontraditional - not a letter from your job as a camp counselor). And maybe from volunteering, but only if it was very significant, and only if you can get a very good letter.

A letter from an MD you've shadowed a couple of times isn't worth much, and is probably a waste of time.

p.s. I had letters from MD/PhD professors, but none from MD's, and did just fine.
 
I didn't get one.

I think the adcoms don't think highly of them because in these instances either you know the doctor personally or have worked for them. This means that they will ususally write a glowing letter and not be too critical.
 
Originally posted by Slickness
I think it definitely helps. I thought the whole point of getting an LOR is for it to be glowing. I mean an MD/DO would be an actual clinician working in the field where you want to eventually work at. It makes sense that a physician would be better able to see if you would make a good doctor than a PhD who does mostly teaching.

I disagree...

A LOR will not help you just because the person writing it has an MD or a DO or a PhD. If all you did was shadow an MD I doubt the letter written by that physician will carry much weight. However, if you helped organize a blood drive or were given the responsibility of taking vitals and checking patients in for an MD and that MD wrote you a LOR then it would probably be a lot better than a LOR written about you shadowing.

The same goes for a LOR from a PhD...Just because the LOR is from a PhD doesn't demonstrate that you have the qualities of a great scientist if all the professor can write about is that you washed test tubes in his or her lab. However, if you had a paper published or presented several posters for a PhD then the LOR would carry a lot more weight.

IMO its not the the MD/DO/PhD or whatever degree that will make a LOR good...It is the content of the letter that will carry weight. Yes, try to get someone with an MD/PhD/DO/etc. to write you a LOR but also keep in mind that their degrees aren't what will make your LOR good. You, your accomplishments, and the LOR writer's familiarity with those accomplishments is going to make your LOR strong.

I'd say a LOR from the coordinator of a homeless shelter where you have worked will be a lot stronger and say a lot more about you than a letter from an MD whom you shadowed for a month. Why? because at the homeless shelter you probably showed a lot more initiative and had a lot more responsibilities than you had shadowing a physician. At the homeless shelter YOU are interacting with the homeless, you are an active participant in the daily grind of the shelter whereas shadowing a physician makes you only a passive observer. Being a passive observer doesn't say a lot about you.

The point is....Just make sure that the LOR writers you select can each highlight a different aspect of what makes you a unique and strong candidate for medical school and also have the credibility to do so regardless of what their degree is. (For example...a letter from your grandpa talking about the toiletry drive you setup obviously won't have much credibility. But a LOR from the director of the homeless shelter(where your toiletries went to) about your toiletry drive will.)

Like I said earlier...only 2 of my 5 LORs were from people that had PhD's. The other 3 were from coordinators/directors of various volunteer programs I had been involved with. I also had one of those letters co-signed by all the directors in one of the programs.

LORs are all about the credibility of the writers and the content and description of you and your accomplishments. The fancy degree has nothing to do with it.
 
Ironically, the only two schools that I sent an LOR from an MD did not accept me. It was a really stellar letter too. The doc was even an alumnus of my state school. But I guess it wasn't enough to swing them.
 
i think it is helpful to have a healthcare-related LOR, however this individual need not have any special degree. I got mine from a NP.
 
Originally posted by md_student10021
A letter from an MD/DO isn't necessary, and I doubt most applicants have one. Your letters should be from professors, research supervisors, employers (only if you're nontraditional - not a letter from your job as a camp counselor). And maybe from volunteering, but only if it was very significant, and only if you can get a very good letter.

A letter from an MD you've shadowed a couple of times isn't worth much, and is probably a waste of time.

md_student said it perfectly. Not having LORs from MDs should not hurt your app. I only have LORs from profs, employers and volunteer coordinator and I got in.

Good luck!
 
Think outside the box... I worked at a dentist's office for 6 summers in a row she's a DDS but was just as able to comment on things like professionalism, etc

Ironically, it was my supervisor at the brain injury rehab institute where I vounteer who was more able to comment on my motivations for medicine and personal touch with patients (but she has a master's in social work)

Don't think you need a letter from an MD, and although it doesn't hurt, I would use it as a nice supplement to the meat and potato LORs i.e. science and humanities profs (probably PhDs)

I only found after my letters were submitted that my PI had a MB DSc, this is like the British equivalent of an MD PhD... who knew, and really who cares?

Bottom line: don't worry about the letters behind the person's name, just focus on getting a nice package of references that nicely showcase different aspects of your personality
 
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