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Advice for possible reapplication to mainly DO schools?

Discussion in 'Re-Applicants [ MD / DO ]' started by Etan19197, Oct 31, 2018.

  1. Etan19197

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    I have applied this cycle to mostly DO schools and a couple low tier MD schools in my region. Unfortunately, I did not have a physician LOR so my DO options are slightly limited despite sending in my primary to a couple of these schools. I know I didn't apply with my best application and am looking for advice on how to spend another year if needed working on my app. Currently sitting at 1 DO interview that I somewhat regret applying to after hearing some of their policies.

    So here are my stats: White male, slightly low SES, first-generation college student.

    uGPA: 3.31 sGPA: 3.18 Slight upward trend plus a 4.0 last semester. Degree: Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Graduated May 2018

    MCAT: 507 (127/124/126/130)

    Research: Work full-time at chemical company in R&D but not clinical nor biochemistry. Everything I do is strictly chemistry. Been full-time since this July. Expected: 1800 hours

    Clinical Experience: Volunteered 150 hours, in Endoscopy and as patient escort.

    Employment: Resident Manager throughout college-960 hours, Patient Waiter in hospital through college-1800 hours, currently employed in lab.

    Non-clinical volunteering: Helped out high school baseball team, but nothing else. Huge discrepancy in app.

    Other ECs: I played NCAA D2 baseball, about 2000 hours.

    LOR: 3 strong letters from former employer, a nurse I worked with, and a biochem prof, and 1 from former orgo prof, not so sure about that one. Will get one from employer at research lab for next cycle.

    PS: I felt my PS was strong and have had many others read it who agreed. Basically an adversity essay and how certain life experiences motivated me to become a physician.

    So overall I know I didnt apply with my best application and now I'm paying for it. Looking to see if my current plan sounds good for reapplication if I need to.

    1. Shadow a DO/MD and get a LoR. I have an office that will allow me to but since I work it will take months to get 40 hours. I have submitted primary app to some DO schools that require a letter, so I would be submitting secondary in December after I receive a physician letter smh.

    2. Gain some non-clinical volunteering experience, preferably in underprivileged area. I've emailed some groups but no response yet.

    3. This is where I am unsure, my MCAT is about 6 points lower than my average FL, which were taken under testing conditions. So I am considering taking the MCAT again, maybe in April, however I am working full time now so it will require a lot more work and idk if its worth it? Also contemplated doing some sort of SMP or post-bacc, but I read that since nobody does grade replacement anymore, it might not be worth it since I have ~140 credit hours since I transferred schools and switched majors.

    4. Submit on time. Early as possible. smh took my MCAT June 30th, and was complete for all schools August-October. So I was late.
    Should I even apply to low tier MD schools next cycle? I did this time and have 1 R so far from my undergrad (lol). If anyone has any advice that I didn't mention, or anything to add at all please let me know. I know I still have time left, but I want to start to work on my app now so I can improve it considerably if I don't get in. Thanks!
     
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  3. Lnsean

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    I'd focus on DOs....throw in some low tier MDs into the mix but your gpa is too low and your app doesnt anything to redeem itself. The research is irrelevant if there's no publication...anyone can claim they put in 1800 hours...but with no publication what are you even doing? One would start wondering.

    Maybe shadow a DO physician and get an LOR.
     
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  4. Etan19197

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    I figured that but my job is more industry based, and from what I’ve heard publications don’t exist since we’re a large company anything that is breakthrough material is patented and pushed to corporate. Sucks and I kinda wished I would’ve taken a scribe job but the pay is great.
     
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    Your stats and ECs are pretty decent, so like @Lnsean had mentioned, if you could shadow a DO and get an LOR it would give you an extra boost.
     
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    Bump, anyone else want to offer some advice?
     
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    I would take extra upper-level science courses for next semester to boost that sGPA and perhaps volunteering for your community. Your MCAT should be fine for DO schools, but getting a DO LOR would help.
     
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    Definitely obtain a physician letter. DO letter would be great for DO schools, but if you happen to find a MD who can write you a stronger letter/ build a stronger longitudinal relationship with, then go with the MD to write you a letter. IMO, you'd be pretty much a shoe-in for any DO school if you apply early next cycle. For MDs, you'd have to apply strategically to school's within your MCAT range.

    Some of those formal post bac/ SMPs are a 100k investment if you take into account COL, etc. It's a steep price for GPA repair but it can definitely be worth it.
     
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    Most are only ~50K being that they are one year. Check out Rosalind Franklin, Drexel, Temple, Loyola, Georgetown, Jefferson, Tulane
     
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    Mine was 60k total for 2 years in a major city (40K COL over the course of those two years).
     
  11. Etan19197

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    First off thanks for the reply. This is somewhat why I didn't mention any GPA repair (even though I could use it). From my research online, I could get into a DO school which I'm completely content with given my current stats. I feel like if I do get a DO letter, that would open up a few more opportunities next cycle in which I can apply. On top of that I think if I could rack up some community service as well that would make my app a little more impressive. I would hate to spend more than 50k to fix my gpa if I don't exactly need to. Seeing as how I just had a DO interview it obviously isn't being looked at as a red flag or anything even if it was a lower stat DO school.
     
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    You don't need to waste 50k on an smp to get into a DO school. Get a DO letter, bump sgpa to 3.2 if possible, keep up volunteering, and apply super early next cycle.
     
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    And Shadow a d o as well
     
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    I am on the same boat as you. I have a 3.7 gpa but a low MCAT. I did get some interviews but I am looking forward to reapplying. My best advice to you is

    1. Only retake the MCAT if you feel that you will improve your score by more than 1 pt or 2. Studying is time consuming and MCAT cost money. I would rather spend that money in applying to more schools.

    2. Get a DO/MD letter. It will open so many doors to possible schools to get into.

    3. Overall, it looks like you have a good application. I would only suggest to take maybe 1 or 2 upper level science course, not to improve your gpa, but to show them you can handle difficult courses while working full time. I did a post bacc. program and I would only suggest it if it gives you an interview to a med school after completion.

    Good Luck!
     
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    Lol I just want redemption on the MCAT more than anything. I'm certain I can score way higher, but like I said last time I studied for it I wasnt working full time so I don't feel like its the best idea if I can get into DO schools with a 507. Stupid test. In terms of the science courses, do you really think that will help? I would either have to enroll in a 4 year school closer to home or even a community college but I heard schools advise against community colleges.
     
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    If your aim is to improve the GPA, then courses would be the way to go (even if they are online). Since you have already graduated from a four-year then I would think taking classes at a university would be better. In my case, I decided to complete an EMT accelerated 6 wk program and I am currently working as an EMT. I noticed that my interviewers liked that, so just something to consider.

    Also, you have a better MCAT then me, I think your score is great for applying DO. I would focus more on something to help the GPA or strong activities that show motivation toward medicine.

    Just what I think, I am no expert or anything. Just a pre-med trying to get admitted.
     
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  17. GypsyHummus

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    I’m going to go against the grain here.

    I think your science GPA is too low with the coupled MCAT score. Mcat is strong for DO, but to overcome a sub 3.2, you need a 510+ unless you bring something special to the table (URM, military, etc). You kind of have that with the athletics, so you might still get in.

    Deff focus on DO schools. GPA and MCAT is way to low for MD. You need around the 3.7-3.8 mark science and a 510+ for MD unless you come from a lucky state. Then the bar is lowered to 3.5 and 508.

    I wouldn’t retake the mcat unless you know you can score a 510+. A 510+ forgives a lot of past academic transgressions for DO schools.

    I think if you can hike up that science to a 3.3, you should be good. If you don’t get in this year, Maybe look into taking some extra upper level science classes to prove you can handle the tough science curriculum. If not, look into SMPs, they were designed for people like you ( higher mcat, lower GPA). You might still get in somewhere tho, so fingers crossed.

    Always have a (smart) backup plan.
     
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