Albert Einstein College vs. UT Southwestern (Texas)

[towvirane]

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Hello all,

Obviously, the admissions process is in its eleventh hour for the next incoming class.

I have accepted a seat at UT Southwestern in Dallas. but recently have also been offered money and a seat at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in NYC.

Just wondering what your thoughts on the matter are.

As far as money goes...I believe it is about equal. AECOM has offered a scholarship which brings the cost of attendance to about the same as UTSW.

So for anybody who knows something about one or both of the schools...what do you think??

Thanks fin advance for any responses

 

[njbmd]

Deciding between medical schools is a pre-med issue and now this thread is moved to pre-Allo.

 

[TheRealMD]

Hello all,

Obviously, the admissions process is in its eleventh hour for the next incoming class.

I have accepted a seat at UT Southwestern in Dallas. but recently have also been offered money and a seat at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in NYC.

Just wondering what your thoughts on the matter are.

As far as money goes...I believe it is about equal. AECOM has offered a scholarship which brings the cost of attendance to about the same as UTSW.

So for anybody who knows something about one or both of the schools...what do you think??

Thanks fin advance for any responses

There is no question. UTSW >>>>>>>>>>> AECOM. Unless AECOM gave you a HUGE scholarship to bring the cost of living down to what it is in Dallas, then the cost of attendance isn't equal.

 

[0101010101]

Are you serious????!!!!! UT Southwester without a doubt. You'd have to be crazy to turn that down unless you really hated it there.

 

[EpiPEN]

How much $$ they giving you?

 

[TheRealMD]

How much $$ they giving you?

And say it needs to be at least $20k to make costs almost the same. And then you get into comparing the schools themselves... Parkland is an amazing place to do your clinicals (I wish Baylor had something like it... 🙁)

Good luck in whatever school you pick!

 

[rowerlauren]

UT Southwestern all the way... the only way you should go to AECOM is if you are afraid of the kindness of Texans?

 

[Character]

Hello all,

Obviously, the admissions process is in its eleventh hour for the next incoming class.

I have accepted a seat at UT Southwestern in Dallas. but recently have also been offered money and a seat at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in NYC.

Just wondering what your thoughts on the matter are.

As far as money goes...I believe it is about equal. AECOM has offered a scholarship which brings the cost of attendance to about the same as UTSW.

So for anybody who knows something about one or both of the schools...what do you think??

Thanks fin advance for any responses

dont know much about UT. but i love the snow, and diversity in the bronx is awesome.

 

[172858]

southwestern, without a doubt. now, if you just WANT to live in NYC over dallas, that's understandable. but i feel that UTSW is one of the most underrated schools in the country. if you actually look at all the criteria used for the rankings, UTSW would be a top 10 school if their student-faculty ratio wasn't so crappy. texas recently mandated schools take more students, yet have not pledged any more funding - big reason why Baylor and UTSW have dropped a bit. but outside of being a bit cutthroat competitive (yes - all the rumors are true), it really is a special place.

best of luck with that decision!

and god bless texas! 😀

And say it needs to be at least $20k to make costs almost the same. And then you get into comparing the schools themselves... Parkland is an amazing place to do your clinicals (I wish Baylor had something like it... 🙁)

Good luck in whatever school you pick!

Ummm... Ben Taub? Hellllo! 😀

 

[rowerlauren]

In case you can't tell Texans are way quick to proclaim their love for their state!

 

[barto123]

In case you can't tell Texans are way quick to proclaim their love for their state!

lol, what a biased thread.... sorry but nyc vs dallas? no comparison. i suppose SW is ranked higher, but not enough that it should make a difference to you. keep in the mind the student bodies are vastly different.

 

[PreMD86]

The problem with the Einstein scholarship is (assuming it's merit based) that if you happen to fail a class, the scholarship is liable to be taken away. Not that I'm going into school with the intention of failing anything, but the thought of that scared the crap out of me when I was making a similar decision. I don't know much about UTSW, but if it's cheaper with NSA, higher ranked, and you don't mind the heat, it seems like a no brainer.

As a side note, I've never been to Texas, but what's so great about it? It seems like 90% of horror movies and Jerry Springer guests are from there, the heat's a mofo, and it's home to the fattest cities on the planet. Put a medical school in Austin and then we'll talk.

 

[rowerlauren]

There actually is talk of getting a small med school program in Austin (an extention of southwestern). But it will not be open in time for you or me.

 

[TheRealMD]

southwestern, without a doubt. now, if you just WANT to live in NYC over dallas, that's understandable. but i feel that UTSW is one of the most underrated schools in the country. if you actually look at all the criteria used for the rankings, UTSW would be a top 10 school if their student-faculty ratio wasn't so crappy. texas recently mandated schools take more students, yet have not pledged any more funding - big reason why Baylor and UTSW have dropped a bit. but outside of being a bit cutthroat competitive (yes - all the rumors are true), it really is a special place.

best of luck with that decision!

and god bless texas! 😀

Ummm... Ben Taub? Hellllo! 😀

Says the person who wants to go to Baylor... 🙄

And Ben Taub's no Parkland, simply because there are too many hospitals in the Med Center for it to be that HUGE pillar UTSW bases it's medical education on.

 

[154241]

they're pretty different schools, aren't they? what's important to you in a school?

 

[Character]

The problem with the Einstein scholarship is (assuming it's merit based) that if you happen to fail a class, the scholarship is liable to be taken away. Not that I'm going into school with the intention of failing anything, but the thought of that scared the crap out of me when I was making a similar decision. I don't know much about UTSW, but if it's cheaper with NSA, higher ranked, and you don't mind the heat, it seems like a no brainer.

As a side note, I've never been to Texas, but what's so great about it? It seems like 90% of horror movies and Jerry Springer guests are from there, the heat's a mofo, and it's home to the fattest cities on the planet. Put a medical school in Austin and then we'll talk.

things that are most undesirable to others have the most rabid followers/supporters. Such as carrib med schools and the democratic party.

 

[towvirane]

Thanks for the input. (and sorry for posting in the wrong area before)

So after crunching the numbers, they do end up about the same and the amount of debt per year would be about the same. AECOM has incredibly cheap student housing which actually may even make it less expensive to live in the Bronx if you can believe it.

So what's important to me...
Well, a bit more background. I'm an older student (28) so having a diverse student body is pretty important. (not in terms of race/ethnicity, more in terms of life experience.)
I like the idea of P/F grading system ...and generally, it feels like Albert Einstein is the place for me.

...But here's the catch that I didn't include before (I was hoping that there may be things about the schools themselves that set them apart)
The catch is that my fiancee is in Dallas now. She'll be finishing her third year of law school, and has job offers in Dallas for when she graduates.

In all honesty, if there was nothing else in the picture and it was just me making a decision, I would probably go to Einstein. It seems to fit me more as a person.
However, Southwestern (Dallas) seems to fit the circumstances of my life more at this point.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

 

[TheRealMD]

Thanks for the input. (and sorry for posting in the wrong area before)

So after crunching the numbers, they do end up about the same and the amount of debt per year would be about the same. AECOM has incredibly cheap student housing which actually may even make it less expensive to live in the Bronx if you can believe it.

So what's important to me...
Well, a bit more background. I'm an older student (28) so having a diverse student body is pretty important. (not in terms of race/ethnicity, more in terms of life experience.)
I like the idea of P/F grading system ...and generally, it feels like Albert Einstein is the place for me.

...But here's the catch that I didn't include before (I was hoping that there may be things about the schools themselves that set them apart)
The catch is that my fiancee is in Dallas now. She'll be finishing her third year of law school, and has job offers in Dallas for when she graduates.

In all honesty, if there was nothing else in the picture and it was just me making a decision, I would probably go to Einstein. It seems to fit me more as a person.
However, Southwestern (Dallas) seems to fit the circumstances of my life more at this point.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Why leave the fiancee part out? 4 years together instead of 4 years apart is HUGE and that's like trying to ignore the 800lb gorilla in the room. Going through med school alone versus having someone else with you should tip the scales a lot (especially since financially all things are equal).

And with someone else living with you eventually I assume, finances will make it cheaper to live in Dallas. Plus, you've gotta factor in those plane tickets! I looked it up and it's around $300 per flight. This stuff adds up!

Though at the end of the day, you'll still be a doctor, it looks like the stars are aligning at Southwestern for you.

 

[172858]

Why leave the fiancee part out? 4 years together instead of 4 years apart is HUGE and that's like trying to ignore the 800lb gorilla in the room. Going through med school alone versus having someone else with you should tip the scales a lot (especially since financially all things are equal).

And with someone else living with you eventually I assume, finances will make it cheaper to live in Dallas. Plus, you've gotta factor in those plane tickets! I looked it up and it's around $300 per flight. This stuff adds up!

Though at the end of the day, you'll still be a doctor, it looks like the stars are aligning at Southwestern for you.

Ditto, especially if your finance is planning on taking the bar and getting a job in Texas. It would only make sense to go to UTSW.

 

[Character]

well, yeah, if your sweety pie is in dallas. its a no brainer. id stay. long distance is tough, for any couple.

 

[DrJD]

Well you are calling her your fiancee so I can assume that you guys are planning on getting married right? What is her opinion? Would she be willing to move to NY, take the bar there, etc. ?

If you had said girlfriend this would be a different question, ones about how serious, etc... But you guys are already engaged!! If you feel like Einstein is the place for you, tell her that and see what she says... MOST importantly, make the decision together.

Congratulations on your engagement (and on being accepted to two amazing schools...)

And for the record, I would pick Southwestern hands down without even giving it a second thought...

 

[TexasTriathlete]

Next, we'll be comparing Harvard and St. George's in Grenada. Stay tuned!!!

 

[rowerlauren]

Next, we'll be comparing Harvard and St. George's in Grenada. Stay tuned!!!

I mean who can turn down the Caribbean?

 

[Trxgr6]

I think you have to think about how different the schools are. First of all, P/F is huge and the students/cultures of the schools are very different as well. If I were in your situation, I'd be very tempted to think about AECOM. I have lived in both TX and NY (I'm not originally from either place so I am not biased by home state pride) and I would take NY over Dallas in a heartbeat. The best way I have heard it summed up is this: life in TX is easy, life in NY is interesting. It is very possible that life could be better and less stressful as an AECOM student because of the P/F, less stress about grading curve, etc. Both schools will allow you to match into amazing and competitive residency programs. Also, the diversity of the patient population you will see in your rotations will be great at both schools. And even though AECOM isn't ranked as high, it would be better to go there if you think you might want to pursue residency in NY or anywhere in the northeast. Of course if you are a diehard Texan the choice should be easy also.

 

[WinterLights]

I would have to go with UTSW. Dallas is a pretty nice area, although its a bit too hot for my liking. And honestly, who wants to live/go to school in the Bronx? Not I. You also need to consider which region of the US you'd like to do your residency in.

 

[PreMD86]

Does any of you have an actual soul?? The OP's engaged and his future wife is staying in Texas. How's there even a shred of a doubt where he should go?

 

[154241]

if she's finishing her third year of law school, that means she's done, right? this is definitely a decision for the two of you to make together, not sdners. if you want input for that conversation, here's my disclaimer: i'm heavily biased towards aecom (going there in the fall) and against utsw (no desire to live in texas, ever). from what i've seen, you're right in saying that einstein has a diverse, laidback student body, and pass/fail is going to be awesome, especially if you want to pursue research or stuff in your spare time. after talking to current med students, i think p/f grading is one of the most important qualities in a school, honestly. and if you have any interest in global/public health, it's a great place for that (as you probably already know). i know nothing about utsw except that it's well ranked, but i feel like einstein is a unique place.

 

[DrBowser]

I have a similar story: I turned down UC Davis for Einstein. I live in California, near San Francisco. My fiancee went to UC Davis for her undergrad and currently works in SF. However, when it came down to choosing a med school, we were both drawn to NY. Now she will be working in Manhattan while I go to school and I feel like this has been a great carreer move for both of us. (We'll be living together in Einstein's cheap housing after we get married).

Does your fiancee want to work outside of Dallas? The opportunities are certainly there in NY. Or maybe it's better for you two to stay in a familiar area. Definitely factor in her opinion. Good luck on making the best decision for the both of you!

 

[dbbmd]

If the scholarship evens things out, I vote AECOM! I interviewed at both schools and, truthfully, they're both great. The rankings don't mean a lot. The p/f for me, is the most appealing reason to choose AECOM, second to the drastically different classes (UTSW is 90% texan), and the extreme differences in cities. If you want to stay in Texas for Residency go to UTSW. I heard from a UTSW graduate that he wished he'd gone to a P/F school. Living in Texas sure is cheaper, though! Good luck making your decision!

 

[Adnama]

Wow, what great options. However, I think you should sign off SDN and talk to your partner. This is a decision for the both of you to make - you will be happy and successful at both places. Sit down with your fiance and make a list...

Pros/Cons AECOM
Pros/Cons UT

Good luck and Congratulations!

 

[TheLesPaul]

Seriously, go to UTSW. I lived in new england for 7 years, and texas for another 8, and I'll admit that I like the new england atmosphere better. However, I don't think you're going to have enough of a life outside of med school to really appreciate those differences 🙂. Also, although 90% of the class is texan, TX is a big state! You have your rural folks, your urban hipsters, and everything in between...and very few ppl (in med school) have an accent. UTSW is just an excellent school, hands down go there.