alphabet soup of FP PALS ACLS ALSO NRP

Discussion in 'Family Medicine' started by minorka, Jun 15, 2004.

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  1. minorka

    minorka Junior Member

    Apr 12, 2004
    I almost wished I've taken these courses prior to orientation week. The only thing is i couldn't find any local program offering classes for most of them. I took ACLS during 4th year (which wasn't too long ago lol)

    I hate to complain but does anyone else find these certifications a pain in the rear? I suppose it's a necessary evil due to nature of family practice but still :(
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  3. jwk

    jwk CAA, ASA-PAC Contributor 10+ Year Member

    Apr 30, 2004
    Atlanta, GA

    I can tell you why it's important. I took PALS years ago with a group of anesthetists, anesthesiologists, and pediatricians, since our hospital decided that we should be PALS-certified since we worked with a lot of pediatric/neonatal patients. One of the questions asked in a discussion was what would be the first thing you do when a child presents with no respiration and no pulse, and the PEDIATRICIAN responded "check for capillary refill".

    I teach ACLS to a variety of professionals - RN's, MD's, EMT's, etc. The MD's often do the worst because they think they know it all. The EMT's do the best because they take nothing for granted and study their butts off.
  4. minorka

    minorka Junior Member

    Apr 12, 2004
    Yeah I noticed that. I never take anything for granted so I did study for pals. At my hospital it's not just the FPs that have to be certified but also RN, EMT's , OB-GYN, and Transitionals. So we are all in it together.
    I finished my first day and have another day to go.
  5. PACtoDOC

    PACtoDOC 1K Member 7+ Year Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    I have taught ACLS and BLS for literally 10 years, and I too have seen how docs drop the ball and generally barely get by, in some instances. But having spent the better part of my adult life in PA and medical school, I can tell you that a doc has to learn so much more compared to the finite amount of learning an EMT or medic must do. I was both of these as well and used to laugh at the so called "stupid docs". Now I empathize with my colleagues and instead feel sorry for the EMT's and medics who think because they are the master of one craft that everyone else should be as well. Trying being the jack of all trades and see how hard it is. It isn't what you think.
  6. jwk

    jwk CAA, ASA-PAC Contributor 10+ Year Member

    Apr 30, 2004
    Atlanta, GA

    LOL - great post. Former paramedic here as well. I'm sometimes shocked at how cocky we were and how little we actually knew.

    ACLS and PALS and ATLS are great programs. They're good to fall back on, but as you know, you have to fully understand the physiology of what's going on and why, not just respond in "cookbook" fashion, and that's exactly what EMT's and paramedics generally do.
  7. gwyn779

    gwyn779 stargazer 7+ Year Member

    My husband's a medic and he tells me stories every time he takes one of these classes. At the same time, he knows that in a non-acute setting, he's clueless.

    I'm trying to take ACLS next year, but my CPR card is way expired and they require one just to register. Finding and attending a CPR class, when I'm actually free, is rather annoying.
  8. Vukken99

    Vukken99 Banned Banned

    Jun 21, 2004
    Tucson, Bronx
    Even a solo practicing physician you need to know ACLS, PALS, ATLS and even you are pushing AOLS.

    Plus when you are licensed with all these certificated in your belt you can step your foot for a part-time ER job.

    In my opinion, many graduating physician and even residents can't properly read a basic offense here but i did see that during the residency years...

    Surgical residents and subspecialists are the worse of all...They have hard time recognizing cardiac arrhythmia...

    For anyone who wants to sound and practice safe medicine...take the time to learn about advanced support courses in a solid fashion.....

    Last thing you need a patient coding in front of you and you dont have a clue on what to do...

    Plus recently during my acls renewal course the update was a 15 million dollar award given in favor of a patient when a CRNA was not able to resuscitate a patient and worse yet no one had the ACLS card.....
  9. save10

    save10 Doctors do it better 7+ Year Member

    Nov 13, 2002
    minorka. your avatar is really hot.....I mean yeah, take ACLS its good for you.

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