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Discussion in 'Clinical Rotations' started by lifebouy, Mar 18, 2002.
I wonder how many of those are real openings?
Case in point, if there are two free positions at Michigan, then I would probably count them out.
I realize there is a loophole in the NRMP site but I do not think it is appropriate to post these names before the names of the programs are officially released tomorrow at Noon EST. This may be a major violation and I suggest you remove these names.
I don't mean to sound mean (edited to to unnecessary language), but I think you could get into serious trouble because the names are not supposed to be released until tommorrow.
If you want to, you can go to edit post and delete this post.
I don't mean to sound an a-hole either but on another post, Whisker Barrel Cortex, wrote that he/she intended to post the results of the match from the NRMP but someone else beat him/her to it. THAT info was only meant for current NRMP applicants yet you intended to post them here. Now I don't understand why you're suddenly being cautious about spreading info.
You are obviously not a current residency applicant (if you are, you should read info from NRMP) and have no idea what you're talking about.
First of all, the number of spots was officially posted by the NRMP at Noon EST TODAY. The names of the programs are not supposed to be released, even to NRMP registered applicants until tommorrow. Bob got these from a backdoor route.
Secondly, posting the NUMBER of programs does not give anyone an advantage in scrambling into a spot. Posting the NAMES of the programs will give people an unfair advantage in obtaining these spots.
The intention of the NRMP rules is to make sure that no one has an unfair advantage in obtaining a residency spot in the scramble.
So Soup#5, please do not post unless you know what you are talking about. You cannot equate posting the NUMBER of programs unmatched after they have been released to applicants to posting the NAMES of the program prior to the official release.
Poor form, but if there's any consolation: Those who *maybe* stand to benefit from this leak(most likely FMGs) will still be at a considerable disadvantage. As those 2 fields are VERY competitive and I'm sure even the worst off program would still rather have a AMG than a FMG .
Hey digable planet.............I am a caribbean grad and I got rads..........so screw you!
Hey WBC, I am a current residency applicant and I've matched. And to prove it I have the map image shown on the match results from the NRMP site.
You intended to post info that wasn't supposed to be for the public. It doesn't matter whether that info does or doesn't give unmatched applicants an edge for scrambling. They were still obtained from a private site. Sorry to say, but I think you're a hypocrite.
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Obviously the whole idea behind not revealing names of programs before they are even supposed to be released on the NRMP is lost on you. There is an obvious lack of reasoning on your part. There is a HUGE difference between the two and I am sorry that you cannot understand that.
What do you mean it doesn't matter whether it will affect the match? It sure as hell does matter. One post has numbers which will have absolutely no impact on anything. The other may affect where someone may end up going for residency! If I had to scramble, I would be very pissed off if I learned that someone had been given this sort of an advantage.
Good luck at whatever FP program you match at.
WBC, obviously we're on a different wavelength. What I'm trying to say is you lack integrity for being agreeable to posting info from a copyrighted/private web site as long as YOU think it won't affect the match process. And when Bob, above, posted some info from the same web site (I don't care how he obtained it), then you whine and moan about it. Let him post anything he finds out and let the reader decide whether to believe it or not. It's not up to you, who I still think has double standards, to discourage dissemination of information from a private website you were willing to "steal" from in the first place.
Goodluck to you on radiology. I hope you become a physician in the end.
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Whisker is right.
Soup is wrong.
There's certain information the NRMP expressively asks people NOT to share because it will hurt the match. Bob posted such information. The fact that he was privy to the information is bad enough and hurts the integrity of the match; the fact that he shared it, well it makes things even worse.
Regional or National match statistics are shared with all applicants, regardless of who matched and who has to scramble.
Providing that information, therefore, does not hurt the scramble. If it did, the NRMP would only share it with those who DID NOT MATCH.
Soup, it's not just WBC who thinks this information is okay to share. By sharing it with all applicants, the NRMP agrees with him.
My integrity is fully intact. I was not "whining and moaning," just informing Bob that posting these might be considered a major violation so that he could remove it if he wanted. You seem to think through things in a concrete way of instead of really understanding what the NRMP is trying to do.
I like that crack about "I hope you will become a physician in the end." That was real clever. I am sure you will make a fine physician. Good luck!
Thanks for the back-up Future GI Guy.
Agreed! Soup #5 is wrong in this case simply because all unmatched candidates have access to the same information (ie, the number of unfilled spots in each field) so there is no advantage gained. It is simply to be shared with people who are curious about the information.
However, just to argue the hypothetical, IF applicant didn't have this information, there could be a possible benefit in seeing these numbers because someone interested in switching fields because they didn't match into the one of their choice could see that say only "1" unfilled position exists in their original choice of fields, whereas 500 exist in some other field. Therefore, to play the odds, they would go into the scramble with a game plan as far as which fields to target in what order.
Again this is highly hypothetical and not realistic since ALL MATCHED AND UNMATCHED applicants have access to this information.
BUT posting info that only you have and no one else does IS giving an unfair advantage.
Just an addendum, it would totally okay to post the list of unfilled programs now that it's public. That's the big difference, soup.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Whisker Barrel Cortex:
I realize there is a loophole in the NRMP site </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">what was the loophole?
how did Bob obtain the data?
Now that results have been released to all of the NRMP applicants, I can tell you the loophole and maintain my "integrity." Login to the NRMP website, go to the "Directory." This brings up a search screen to search for programs. I remember using this when putting in my ROL to get the NRMP number for programs. Yesterday, instead of listing all of the programs when you search, it listed a limited number of programs which nearly matched the number of openings for each specialty. You could not be sure these were unfilled programs, but it sure seemed that way.
Upon release of all of the program names today, it seems that all of the unfilled programs were on that list yesterday (at least for radiology, anesthesia), but a few that showed up on the list yesterday were not on the list today. I think NRMP is now aware of this loophole and will close it next year.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DigableCat:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by dbiddy:
<strong>Hey digable planet.............I am a caribbean grad and I got rads..........so screw you!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Screw me?...huh...Must be those admirable people skills which drew you to radiology.
Congrats to you and your bad a$$ anyway...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
nice (i mean: that's terrible).
yeah, it seems the NRMP 'system' is running off of some central database (of course it is!). the directory screen and the matched-by-region screens are similar in that they seem to be querying (something live), and by the summary "Record X of Y" at the bottom of the page. someone should clean that up now that its public.