Any experience with under-desk mounted holsters in the pain clinic?

[drusso]

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[cowboydoc]

Don't have this in my office, as the cleaning staff would probably get me in hot water, but this is my set-up at home, and I'm a huge fan. Secure enough to keep the kids out. Would be easy to pry off the wall or desk if someone had undisturbed time to do so.

 

[SSdoc33]

didn't work out too well for gary busey in The Firm

 

[jsaul]

I prefer the Karl Stromberg under desk gun mount

 

[myrandom2003]

No experience but why are you asking?

 

[Disciple]

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Getting bad there drusso?

Do you need a locked container, or would a firearm mount/swivel suffice?

 

[lobelsteve]

Grenades. Or brain control.

 

[drusso]

Getting bad there drusso?

Do you need a locked container, or would a firearm mount/swivel suffice?

After 84 nights of peaceful protests, I don't know how much longer people can sustain all the peacefulness.

Man speaks out about violent assault caught on camera in downtown Portland

PORTLAND, Ore. – The man who was violently assaulted in Downtown Portland on Sunday is out of the hospital and recovering, but is still badly hurt. Adam Haner has broken ribs, bruising, and said doctors are concerned he could have long term vision damage. Police identified the suspect in his...

katu.com

Riot declared as Portland protesters, federal officers clash in protest at ICE building in South Portland

Protesters and federal officers clashed for the first time in several weeks after crowds gathered at the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office in Southwest Portland on Wednesday.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[SSdoc33]

After 84 nights of peaceful protests, I don't know how much longer people can sustain all the peacefulness.

Man speaks out about violent assault caught on camera in downtown Portland

PORTLAND, Ore. – The man who was violently assaulted in Downtown Portland on Sunday is out of the hospital and recovering, but is still badly hurt. Adam Haner has broken ribs, bruising, and said doctors are concerned he could have long term vision damage. Police identified the suspect in his...

katu.com

Riot declared as Portland protesters, federal officers clash in protest at ICE building in South Portland

Protesters and federal officers clashed for the first time in several weeks after crowds gathered at the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office in Southwest Portland on Wednesday.

www.oregonlive.com

something tells me a mountain range and an hour drive will keep you somewhat insulated from the downtown portland protests

 

[drusso]

something tells me a mountain range and an hour drive will keep you somewhat insulated from the downtown portland protests

We have an office less than 20 minutes from downtown.

 

[Disciple]

something tells me a mountain range and an hour drive will keep you somewhat insulated from the downtown portland protests

Sure. If he's fleeing.

3 day weekend isn't going to help anything.

 

[thiswonthurtabit]

We have an office less than 20 minutes from downtown.

And there has been next to no protest activity outside of a very small area in downtown. I was there in the midst of all the ridiculousness with the feds and drove all over town (hitting up all the bottle shops) and saw zero evidence of protests or property damage.

 

[SSdoc33]

We have an office less than 20 minutes from downtown.

ah. my mistake. is this where you plan to install the concealed bazooka?

maybe a trap door in the floor a la Dr. Evil?

 

[SSdoc33]

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[drusso]

Sure. If he's fleeing.

3 day weekend isn't going to help anything.

Wife is afraid to even bring our daughter downtown for shopping in case the peacefulness gets out of hand.

. We haven't stayed at the condo for months...

 

[lobelsteve]

ah. my mistake. is this where you plan to install the concealed bazooka?

maybe a trap door in the floor a la Dr. Evil?

Trap door into a jello pit. Would be most awesome.

 

[SommeRiver]

Learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Some psycho is in there screwing around and you think you need to defend yourself BJJ is your best bet.

Don't ever pull a gun on someone if you're not going to shoot them.

 

[Ligament]

Wife is afraid to even bring our daughter downtown for shopping in case the peacefulness gets out of hand.


View attachment 316471. We haven't stayed at the condo for months...

My democratic friends said that picture looks great, nice and clean, well maintained storefront and windows. What are you complaining about?

 

[Ligament]

Learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Some psycho is in there screwing around and you think you need to defend yourself BJJ is your best bet.

Don't ever pull a gun on someone if you're not going to shoot them.

I disagree strongly. BJJ works well on the ground, one on one fight. This is MOB violence peace, and the mob consists of a bunch of spineless wimps warriors who consist of 99% soy and 1% tears. They will not attack unless in a mob. You go down to the ground in a mob situation, you are lost.

Secondly, drrusso and his wife are supposed to become proficient at BJJ in the next few days? It takes a long time to use it effectively in any real situation.

 

[SommeRiver]

I disagree strongly. BJJ works well on the ground, one on one fight. This is MOB violence peace, and the mob consists of a bunch of spineless wimps warriors who consist of 99% soy and 1% tears. They will not attack unless in a mob. You go down to the ground in a mob situation, you are lost.

Secondly, drrusso and his wife are supposed to become proficient at BJJ in the next few days? It takes a long time to use it effectively in any real situation.

1. BJJ is not "only good on the ground." A plethora of standing submissions, throws, de-escalation techniques, and the single greatest tool learned in BJJ is body control, which is what wins street fights 90% of the time. Your hips are what will save you, and without the live sparring in BJJ you won't learn how to actually fight. You can't safely live spar at 100% in any martial art other than BJJ, wrestling, or judo. That's it.

2. It takes very little time to learn A LOT of BJJ. You will not learn competition-level skills, but you will learn more in a shorter amount of time in BJJ than any other martial art, AND the skills you learn are far more applicable to real life scenarios than anything else in the world of martial arts.

3. I am not against owning guns; I own many of them; I am a firm believer in guns and the 2A. I am telling you as a former member of the special operations community that the vast (VAST) majority of gun owners are not equipped to make logical decisions after brandishing a firearm. All of you should own at least one gun, and you should be very familiar with that gun, and you should take shooting and self defense courses taught by professionals so you know the mechanics COLD. Most won't do that of course, espwcially the ones with the biggest opinions about 2A.

4. The single biggest threat to anyone in this forum is an individual pt who wants dope or work comp fraud. I am not concerned that the Portland mobs will overrun his practice if he is that far away. If you bring a gun into your practice, you better make sure it cannot be stolen, it is serviceable and works efficiently with no potential of negligent discharge in the clinic, and that the ammo actually cycles properly. My XDs doesn't cycle just any ammo; it is finicky for some reason.

5. How many times have you been in an actual fight? Serious Q.

 

[Ducttape]

definitely agree with point 3.

if you have kids in the house, please think extra long/take extra precautions about owning guns.

 

[drusso]

I disagree strongly. BJJ works well on the ground, one on one fight. This is MOB violence peace, and the mob consists of a bunch of spineless wimps warriors who consist of 99% soy and 1% tears. They will not attack unless in a mob. You go down to the ground in a mob situation, you are lost.

Secondly, drrusso and his wife are supposed to become proficient at BJJ in the next few days? It takes a long time to use it effectively in any real situation.

Excellent points.

 

[Baron S]

We have an office less than 20 minutes from downtown.

So you think rioters are going to hop on a rented schoolbus from downtown and drive 20 minutes to come loot your clinic during office hours?

 

[emd123]

After 84 nights of peaceful protests, I don't know how much longer people can sustain all the peacefulness.

Man speaks out about violent assault caught on camera in downtown Portland

PORTLAND, Ore. – The man who was violently assaulted in Downtown Portland on Sunday is out of the hospital and recovering, but is still badly hurt. Adam Haner has broken ribs, bruising, and said doctors are concerned he could have long term vision damage. Police identified the suspect in his...

katu.com

Riot declared as Portland protesters, federal officers clash in protest at ICE building in South Portland

Protesters and federal officers clashed for the first time in several weeks after crowds gathered at the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office in Southwest Portland on Wednesday.

www.oregonlive.com

Ah....Those Democrats are being peaceful again, huh? I guess you better gun up.

 

[emd123]

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What do you do if you need it and you're not at your desk?

How about a deep conceal carry holster, like this Urban Carry model?

 

[drusso]

So you think rioters are going to hop on a rented schoolbus from downtown and drive 20 minutes to come loot your clinic during office hours?

Can you imagine anything stranger?

 

[SommeRiver]

Excellent points.

No, they're not.

What do you think takes longer to learn?

1. Enough BJJ to get you AWAY FROM an attacker.

2. Safe manipulation of a LIVE weapon under duress.

 

[deleted480308]

If I was going to have a gun in my office, I would want it on me

 

[hyperalgesia]

This is not the world we live in. Not the wild west.

The most important thing is that you and your staff know how to de-escalate a crisis, ensure realistic expectations prior to anyone even coming near your clinic.

This is not the life-defining "stand" you want to make in your life - against a mentally ill patient or CHAZ rioter. It's below you.

Get insurance, and walk away.

 

[Disciple]

So you think rioters are going to hop on a rented schoolbus from downtown and drive 20 minutes to come loot your clinic during office hours?

My building was looted.

Not in a downtown.

 

[drusso]

No, they're not.

What do you think takes longer to learn?

1. Enough BJJ to get you AWAY FROM an attacker.

2. Safe manipulation of a LIVE weapon under duress.

I took two years of Aikido in middle school and ended up getting suspended for breaking another kid's pinky in a fight in a 7th grade. He deserved it, but I got suspended for a week and had to see the school psychologist for 6 months. They put on it down on my permanent record. I'll never forget the agony on the kid's face as he just stood there holding his hand in the air and his pinky kind of bent funny.

I've sort of had an aversion to hand-to-hand combat ever since...

 

[Ligament]

My building was looted.

Not in a downtown.

It was not looted, that is a lie. No such crimes are happening. That's what my democratic friends told me.

 

[SommeRiver]

My building was looted.

Not in a downtown.

Had you been there, you would have shot someone for looting or no?

 

[Ligament]

This is not happening in Seattle residential neighborhoods late at night.

 

[Disciple]

This is not the world we live in. Not the wild west.

The most important thing is that you and your staff know how to de-escalate a crisis, ensure realistic expectations prior to anyone even coming near your clinic.

This is not the life-defining "stand" you want to make in your life - against a mentally ill patient or CHAZ rioter. It's below you.

Get insurance, and walk away.

Most of us here know how to calm an irate pain patient.

Probably none of us has been in close proximity to criminals about to do criminal activity.

 

[SommeRiver]

I took two years of Aikido in middle school and ended up getting suspended for breaking another kid's pinky in a fight in a 7th grade. He deserved it, but I got suspended for a week and had to see the school psychologist for 6 months. They put on my permanent record. I'll never forget the agony on the kid's face as he just stood there holding his hand in the air and his pinky kind of bent funny.

I've sort of had an aversion to hand-to-hand combat ever since...

Haha. Good for you man.

Let me just say, looting and damaging property is NOT a reason to shoot someone.

You got upset bc you stood up for yourself and justifiably twisted someone's finger and now you have an aversion to fighting and you're here discussing firearms in the clinic?

No offense man, please understand I'm not saying something bad about you but you're exactly the person I'm talking about...

You're theoretically in support of guns, as you should be IMO, but the moment you pull your piece under duress the boundaries of the encounter are lifted and you got upset after breaking a finger...If you're not going to put the gun to use you better not pull it out bc your "mob" is going to take it from you and beat you to death with it.

You SHOULD have a gun for self defense.

You SHOULD learn alternate techniques.

 

[Disciple]

1. BJJ is not "only good on the ground." A plethora of standing submissions, throws, de-escalation techniques, and the single greatest tool learned in BJJ is body control, which is what wins street fights 90% of the time. Your hips are what will save you, and without the live sparring in BJJ you won't learn how to actually fight. You can't safely live spar at 100% in any martial art other than BJJ, wrestling, or judo. That's it.

2. It takes very little time to learn A LOT of BJJ. You will not learn competition-level skills, but you will learn more in a shorter amount of time in BJJ than any other martial art, AND the skills you learn are far more applicable to real life scenarios than anything else in the world of martial arts.

3. I am not against owning guns; I own many of them; I am a firm believer in guns and the 2A. I am telling you as a former member of the special operations community that the vast (VAST) majority of gun owners are not equipped to make logical decisions after brandishing a firearm. All of you should own at least one gun, and you should be very familiar with that gun, and you should take shooting and self defense courses taught by professionals so you know the mechanics COLD. Most won't do that of course, espwcially the ones with the biggest opinions about 2A.

4. The single biggest threat to anyone in this forum is an individual pt who wants dope or work comp fraud. I am not concerned that the Portland mobs will overrun his practice if he is that far away. If you bring a gun into your practice, you better make sure it cannot be stolen, it is serviceable and works efficiently with no potential of negligent discharge in the clinic, and that the ammo actually cycles properly. My XDs doesn't cycle just any ammo; it is finicky for some reason.

5. How many times have you been in an actual fight? Serious Q.

Do you teach combatives? Standing grappling, gun disarms, etc?

Love BJJ. It has messed up my neck though.

 

[SommeRiver]

Most of us here know how to calm an irate pain patient.

Probably none of us has been in close proximity to criminals about to do criminal activity.

Yes.

If a mob is destroying the vicinity around your building - Leave.

Let them loot and do not take it upon yourself to stand there with your 9mm or douchebag 0.40 cal pistol and make a stand.

 

[Disciple]

Had you been there, you would have shot someone for looting or no?

Would’ve gotten out of there. Unless I was surrounded and about to be beaten down or killed like the Portland victim.

 

[SommeRiver]

Do you teach combatives? Standing grappling, gun disarms, etc?

Love BJJ. It has messed up my neck though.

In my past life I used to compete in BJJ and I was a Force Recon Marine prior to that. That's all my life consisted of from 2000 to 2008.

 

[Disciple]

Yes.

If a mob is destroying the vicinity around your building - Leave.

Let them loot and do not take it upon yourself to stand there with your 9mm or douchebag 0.40 cal

Haha. What’s wrong with .40 cal?

 

[drusso]

Haha. Good for you man.

Let me just say, looting and damaging property is NOT a reason to shoot someone.

You got upset bc you stood up for yourself and justifiably twisted someone's finger and now you have an aversion to fighting and you're here discussing firearms in the clinic?

No offense man, please understand I'm not saying something bad about you but you're exactly the person I'm talking about...

You're theoretically in support of guns, as you should be IMO, but the moment you pull your piece under duress the boundaries of the encounter are lifted and you got upset after breaking a finger...If you're not going to put the gun to use you better not pull it out bc your "mob" is going to take it from you and beat you to death with it.

You SHOULD have a gun for self defense.

You SHOULD learn alternate techniques.

My wife works in my clinic and my daughter and her friends are routinely in and out at the back door asking us for money to go get smoothies, etc. That's why I keep a firearm in the office.

A few years ago one of my MA's (married to a police officer and has a concealed weapon permit) was confronted by a disgruntled patient in the parking lot. She de-escalated the situation, but **** does come up every couple of years...

 

[Disciple]

In my past life I used to compete in BJJ and I was a Force Recon Marine prior to that. That's all my life consisted of from 2000 to 2008.

While we have your expertise on here. Do you feel a rifle is a good choice of firearm for defense of the home? If so, which one? AR-15?

 

[SommeRiver]

Haha. What’s wrong with .40 cal?

It is an underpowered 10mm weapon fired from (classically) a retrofitted 9mm chassis resulting in higher recoil than a 9mm and less tolerance to BS given the pressures are higher and the round is being delivered to the chamber on a feed ramp that leaves the head of the bullet unsupported and prone to misfeed.

It is less lethal than a .45 or 10mm, with slightly more capacity, but more powerful than a 9mm albeit with less capacity.

The overwhelming majority of hitters in the world prefer 9mm, and I don't know any contractors overseas carrying .40 (I know a lot of guys who got out of the military and went to Blackwater, Triple Canopy, etc). No one in the military uses that caliber that I know of...

I carried a .45 MEUSOC pistol, but that is changing to 9mm.

You're either going for capacity or killing, so pick one IMO.

I have put many .40 rounds in the air, and the first pistol I bought was a Glock 22.

 

[SommeRiver]

While we have your expertise on here. Do you feel a rifle is a good choice of firearm for defense of the home? If so, which one? AR-15?

AR-15 for self defense? No...Obviously great for zombie apocalypse.

Overpenetration here dude. That little bastard is fast and will zap right through a Vegan protester's gut, his Che Guevera sweatshirt. It may tumble and hit his buddy behind him. BMI 17 IMO.

Best home self defense round is 12 gauge.

 

[SommeRiver]

My wife works in my clinic and my daughter and her friends are routinely in and out at the back door asking us for money to go get smoothies, etc. That's why I keep a firearm in the office.

A few years ago one of my MA's (married to a police officer and has a concealed weapon permit) was confronted by a disgruntled patient in the parking lot. She de-escalated the situation, but **** does come up every couple of years...

Scary. I keep a .45 in my car. I no longer believe in guns in the clinic. I certainly understand your dilemma.

Pepper spray.

 

[Disciple]

It is an underpowered 10mm weapon fired from (classically) a retrofitted 9mm chassis resulting in higher recoil than a 9mm and less tolerance to BS given the pressures are higher and the round is being delivered to the chamber on a feed ramp that leaves the head of the bullet unsupported and prone to misfeed.

It is less lethal than a .45 or 10mm, with slightly more capacity, but more powerful than a 9mm albeit with less capacity.

The overwhelming majority of hitters in the world prefer 9mm, and I don't know any contractors overseas carrying .40 (I know a lot of guys who got out of the military and went to Blackwater, Triple Canopy, etc). No one in the military uses that caliber that I know of...

I carried a .45 MEUSOC pistol, but that is changing to 9mm.

You're either going for capacity or killing, so pick one IMO.

I have put many .40 rounds in the air, and the first pistol I bought was a Glock 22.

Thanks.

I overlooked 10mm. Didn't seem to be very available. Is the recoil manageable?

Considering a Glock 30SF vs. 29SF for home and concealed carry.

I'm in an area that limits to 10 rounds, and where all the newer handgun models are illegal for purchase by the general public.

 

[SommeRiver]

I would get a Glock 43 with a single stack 9mm and shoot +P, or a Springfield XDs in either .45 or 9mm.

If you're considering concealed carry that is...If you're looking for a full size pistol for home defense any modern .45 or 9mm pistol is fine. Truly, any modern magazine fed pistol is more than adequate, assuming the maker is reputable.

Springfield, S&W, Glock, HK...They're all great. I am partial to Glock and Springfield, but home defense is full size .45 or 9mm IMO.

 

[lobelsteve]

I keep kypho needles at my desk and in every exam room. Guns for home and auto. .45 and .380

 

[Disciple]

1:42. Steve defending his office with Kypho needles.