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I see all these threads with these awesome rank lists (congrats to all of you), but I am a humble SGU soon-to-be grad and was wondering if there are any others out there from SGU, Ross, AUC, and FMG's that are doing Surg this year. I am applying for a categ spot, will rank about 6 places. All are community, all are small. What's the consensus this year about interviews and chances?

I feel like I had some very good interviews, but am nervous about the match. Any others please ring in and state your opinion!!
 

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I'm not an FMG but I am a DO applying allo gen surg...I am ranking 8 programs. All are community except one University program.

Same nervous boat here. Have you heard from any program directors yet?
 

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shah--You seem disappointed in only getting community programs, did you try for university spots? I was pretty suprised (and pretty ecstatic) at some of the interviews I got, to the point that I thought I would not match because some of the programs I felt were above and beyond me, coming from a foreign school. However, on the interview trail, my opinion totally changed based on the high amount of positive feedback I received from chairmen. Based on their comments and the personal emails, letters, and phonecalls I have received, now I feel I actually do have a chance at all of the University programs I interviewed at. I am not saying this to blow my own horn, but to show others that being an FMG from SGU does not isolate you from categorical spots in surgery at university programs...but you better plan on working your tail off to get the grades, scores, recs, etc!

Best of luck to my fellow FMGs and to all the US students as well...
 

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FMG from Carribean school not mentioned in your list. Interviewed with 11 University Programs in Surgery and will rank all of them. Also, will rank EM and Anes. programs.

Good Luck
 

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I am also SGU going for SurrrrrGerrrrEeeee!!!

Dude, Cross your fingers!!!. If all else fails (some of us are inevitably screwed), we can go back to Grenada and become a clinical tutor at a surgery resident's salary ($35-40K); TAX-FREE!!!!

Imagine working for Dr. Paparo or Papa. Bhush. Imagine all the chicken rotis you could eat.

Sure beats doing a friggin' pre-lim year; or a RE-SEARCH for a residency year.

Just my two EC.
 
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akg: Haha, imagine that? If we go back to that dreaded island? It wouldn't be the worst thing that I could imagine, but I thought that after 2 years that I wouldn't have to go back.

Good to hear all the fellow FMG/DO students with great interviews. I got 7 interviews, but will only rank 6. I am pretty sure its cause of my low Step 2 score, well low for Surg anyways. I am "kinda" confident that I will get a spot but where I have no clue.

Anyone out there from NY/NJ? I am planning on ranking Methodist, Brooklyn hospital and Nassau U. Best of luck to everyone, hope we represent well this year!!
 

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anyone interview at Morristown (NJ), St. Barnabas (NJ), Cabrini (NY) and/or SUNY Upstate (NY)...any thoughts on ranking order? What did you like or dislike about each place...? thankx
 
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I have heard people interviewing at Morriestown, SUNY-Upstate etc. From what I understand they are very FMG friendly...I personally didn't apply because I want to stay in the NY/Philly area. My buddy already signed at Barnabus for a Gas position, and I met some people who are doing a transitional year at Flushing but are at Cabrini.

Other than that, haven't really heard anything negative.

You guys think that it is appropriate to call the programs that we are ranking high to let them know, and to call our first choice and let them know that they will be #1?
 

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That's a though call...based om my impression (after nearly 20 interviews), most programs either would like you to e-mail or send them a letter rather than call. Many program directors offered their business card and specifically said to e-mail or write, but never has an interviewer mentioned calling (except maybe one). If the interviewer happens to be out and you get the answering machine (if it's his private office number), you may end up playing phone tag or wonder whether or not the message was fully recorded for prematurely cut. I have only e-mailed or sent letters of thanks/intent.
 

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My experience has been a little different than surg4me's in that most of the chairmen and/or program directors that I have dealt with have told me to call them personally before emailing or writing. The only program that did not was USC. I have not told a program they are my #1 because I cannot decide who truly is.

surg4me- I did not interview at any of the programs you listed above, sorry, but I have heard on the trail only positive things about Morristown and Barnabas if that is any help...
 

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"Everybody has had one, and one is enough for anybody."

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Anyone ranking Brooklyn Hospital or Nassua U., both in NY?

Anyone applying to something other than surg, in case they don't match *knock on wood*?

What do you think is better: prelim or research year (at Sloan-Kettering)
 

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I am an IMG, currently in final year of med school. Am interested in a residency in general surgery - categorical in a University program.

What kind of scores on USMLEs would be required. Would high USMLE scores be sufficient or are other things like research and US clinical experience a must (If a must then minimum clinical experience of how many months with how minimum how many letters of recommendation)?
 

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cutslikeaknife said:
My experience has been a little different than surg4me's in that most of the chairmen and/or program directors that I have dealt with have told me to call them personally before emailing or writing. The only program that did not was USC. I have not told a program they are my #1 because I cannot decide who truly is.

surg4me- I did not interview at any of the programs you listed above, sorry, but I have heard on the trail only positive things about Morristown and Barnabas if that is any help...
I have some bad things to say about Morristown. Some info is my firsthand observation. Some of it is secondhand from an attending there. All is fact.

The chairman does not have the best interests of the residents in mind. As a matter of fact, he wants the chiefs to fail so he can keep them on as junior clinical instructors and have some power over some of the attendings (because he currently does not have power over any of the private attendings). These junior clinical instructors will run his skills lab, his animal lab, and be on staff to run clinic and take emergency room call. He also want to make the residency pyramidal. That is why he is expanding the number of prelim spots. Pyramidal until you are a PGY 4. You go into the animal/skills lab after your third year, and then you don't come out until he says so. This way he can cherrypick only the residents he likes. As soon as this lab is up and running, Morristown will not be a 5 year program. And I know that over the past two years two junior residents have left. One categorical intern was fired. One intern left in the middle of this acedmic year. That is why scaphoid said on another thread that when he/she interviewed there the residents were not below 80 hrs/week.

The chair is trying to run out the current surgical attending staff and replace them with his own staff (aka junior clinical instructors consisting of previous chiefs). He has really managed to make a lot of enemies. Ask any of the urology attendings what they think about him and his pelvic floor reconstruction center. Ask the ortho attendings what they think of him. I think he is a colorectal specialist, and the entire GI department does not refer/consult to him because he tried to push them around and back stab them with ER coverage/reimbursement.

He is also trying to get rid of the current PD and replace him with one of his own staff. This chair has already started his plot, but I will spell it out later.

To conclude, in his master plan, you go in as an intern, and you never come out. You do your 7 or 8 years of general surgery residency work, and then you don't get licensed, you don't get your DEA #, you don't pass your boards, and you stay on as hospital staff while he gets rid of the privates.

Good luck next Thursday everyone. I really feel for the people who match there.
 
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Kim B said:
I have some bad things to say about Morristown. Some info is my firsthand observation. Some of it is secondhand from an attending there. All is fact.

The chairman does not have the best interests of the residents in mind. As a matter of fact, he wants the chiefs to fail so he can keep them on as junior clinical instructors and have some power over some of the attendings (because he currently does not have power over any of the private attendings). These junior clinical instructors will run his skills lab, his animal lab, and be on staff to run clinic and take emergency room call. He also want to make the residency pyramidal. That is why he is expanding the number of prelim spots. Pyramidal until you are a PGY 4. You go into the animal/skills lab after your third year, and then you don't come out until he says so. This way he can cherrypick only the residents he likes. As soon as this lab is up and running, Morristown will not be a 5 year program. And I know that over the past two years two junior residents have left. One categorical intern was fired. One intern left in the middle of this acedmic year. That is why scaphoid said on another thread that when he/she interviewed there the residents were not below 80 hrs/week.

The chair is trying to run out the current surgical attending staff and replace them with his own staff (aka junior clinical instructors consisting of previous chiefs). He has really managed to make a lot of enemies. Ask any of the urology attendings what they think about him and his pelvic floor reconstruction center. Ask the ortho attendings what they think of him. I think he is a colorectal specialist, and the entire GI department does not refer/consult to him because he tried to push them around and back stab them with ER coverage/reimbursement.

He is also trying to get rid of the current PD and replace him with one of his own staff. This chair has already started his plot, but I will spell it out later.

To conclude, in his master plan, you go in as an intern, and you never come out. You do your 7 or 8 years of general surgery residency work, and then you don't get licensed, you don't get your DEA #, you don't pass your boards, and you stay on as hospital staff while he gets rid of the privates.

Good luck next Thursday everyone. I really feel for the people who match there.

DAMN that's scary...maybe this wasn't the best time to post it, with match being next week. Although, there is never a good time to post something like this. At least people will know what to expect. Wish this had been here in January.
 

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DAMN that's scary...maybe this wasn't the best time to post it, with match being next week. Although, there is never a good time to post something like this. At least people will know what to expect. Wish this had been here in January.
Sorry for not posting earlier shahkg (and everyone else). I had heard some rumors about big problems in the past. But I thought it would have been irresponsible (and wreckless) to post only rumors, especially since what I was hearing was so malignant.

To whoever matches at Morristown Memorial Hospital next week, I hope they do not get their animal skills lab up up and running anytime soon.