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Hello.

I took the DAT last week, and I am looking at dental programs to see which one fits me best. I'm interested in specializing in orthodontics, which I realize is a very popular interest in dental school. I was wondering if there were any programs that combines a four-year dental school program with a 2-or-3-year orthodontics program. Honestly, I'm not trying to become a dentist/orthodontist as soon as possible or anything... I just want to know if there is anything beyond the traditional route that most dental students take in order to become a specialist.

Thank you! :)
 

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Hello.

I took the DAT last week, and I am looking at dental programs to see which one fits me best. I'm interested in specializing in orthodontics, which I realize is a very popular interest in dental school. I was wondering if there were any programs that combines a four-year dental school program with a 2-or-3-year orthodontics program. Honestly, I'm not trying to become a dentist/orthodontist as soon as possible or anything... I just want to know if there is anything beyond the traditional route that most dental students take in order to become a specialist.

Thank you! :)
Get ready for dental students and dentists to jump on this thread like a fat kid on a cupcake, just to lecture you on your pre-mature decisions. Something along the lines of "you haven't even been admitted to dental school - you probably don't even know what ortho (or any other specialty) TRULY entails. Shadowing an orthodontist for 3000 hours doesn't even give you a glimpse of what actually goes on. Focus on getting into dental school first, then worry about being the top 1 or 2 in your class, THEN worry about ortho. Who knows, you might end up liking perio or something once you know more about it."

....and let the lecturing begin.
 

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Get ready for dental students and dentists to jump on this thread like a fat kid on a cupcake, just to lecture you on your pre-mature decisions. Something along the lines of "you haven't even been admitted to dental school - you probably don't even know what ortho (or any other specialty) TRULY entails. Shadowing an orthodontist for 3000 hours doesn't even give you a glimpse of what actually goes on. Focus on getting into dental school first, then worry about being the top 1 or 2 in your class, THEN worry about ortho. Who knows, you might end up liking perio or something once you know more about it."

....and let the lecturing begin.
Ditto.
 

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Unless... uhh... s/he has a practice waiting for her/him. Seems like a pretty obvious reason to be set on a single specialty. No need for lecturing really. Unfortunately, I don't have such a situation, so I have to hope I get in somewhere good and try to leave my options open. In any event, I haven't heard of a shortcut to ortho -- if there was, every gunner would be on it.
 

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Hey, before the flaming starts, you seem like an honest person and just wanting some advice. I do not know of any programs like you mentioned because dental schools want you to try your hands at everything and then pick what you want rather than come in with a preconceived notion and put everything else on the back burner. So, in short, I do not know of any programs.

I know some current students tell applicants that will say it's never too early to start thinking about specializing, but, you really should go in with an open mind and not be too set. In my opinion, you need to be able to be content with being a GP just in case your scores or grades don't match up to the requirements/expectancies of schools.
 

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Hello.

I took the DAT last week, and I am looking at dental programs to see which one fits me best. I'm interested in specializing in orthodontics, which I realize is a very popular interest in dental school. I was wondering if there were any programs that combines a four-year dental school program with a 2-or-3-year orthodontics program. Honestly, I'm not trying to become a dentist/orthodontist as soon as possible or anything... I just want to know if there is anything beyond the traditional route that most dental students take in order to become a specialist.

Thank you! :)
No such system exists. You want ortho, you do it like the rest of the folks by being at the top of your dental school, and since now NBDE part 1 is turning pass/fail, most likely all programs are going to switch over to another exam (GRE is popular with ortho). So, top of your class, excellent exam score, oh and, here is a statistic for ya, temple ortho program received 600 applicants, 20 were interviewed, and only 6 accepted, and most programs in the nation are this competitive.

Good luck on your journey
 

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There are a few routes, the most popular being specializing, buuuut that is a little difficult in that you have to be in the top of the top (top 5-10 percent of your class). There is also a certification program through continuing education. My dentist is doing it. He says it pisses off real orthos. You have to do the CE for weeks as opposed to years. But don't go into dental school only intending to do ortho and nothing else.
 

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"you haven't even been admitted to dental school - you probably don't even know what ortho (or any other specialty) TRULY entails. Shadowing an orthodontist for 3000 hours doesn't even give you a glimpse of what actually goes on. Focus on getting into dental school first, then worry about being the top 1 or 2 in your class, THEN worry about ortho. Who knows, you might end up liking perio or something once you know more about it."

Thanks amalgamgrillz :laugh:
 

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No such system exists. You want ortho, you do it like the rest of the folks by being at the top of your dental school, and since now NBDE part 1 is turning pass/fail, most likely all programs are going to switch over to another exam (GRE is popular with ortho). So, top of your class, excellent exam score, oh and, here is a statistic for ya, temple ortho program received 600 applicants, 20 were interviewed, and only 6 accepted, and most programs in the nation are this competitive.

Good luck on your journey
i've gotta say i highly doubt temple ortho received 600 applicants (typically any one program receives between 200-300 applications), but the point being made is still a good one -- ortho is generally regarded as the most competitive specialty in dentistry and there is no shortcut route (in terms of time/progression) to get there :)
 

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There are a few routes, the most popular being specializing, buuuut that is a little difficult in that you have to be in the top of the top (top 5-10 percent of your class). There is also a certification program through continuing education. My dentist is doing it. He says it pisses off real orthos. You have to do the CE for weeks as opposed to years. But don't go into dental school only intending to do ortho and nothing else.
you can't equate the 2. they are not the same thing. ortho's who have completed a residency handle the whole shabang while a gp with some CE courses simply cannot. an ortho residency is 2-3 years for a reason---> case complexity can be pretty vast. also, a gp who does a few CE courses CANNOT advertise him/herself as an orthodontist (both ethically and legally), they can only state that they perform orthodontic procedures.
 

dentalWorks

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i've gotta say i highly doubt temple ortho received 600 applicants (typically any one program receives between 200-300 applications), but the point being made is still a good one -- ortho is generally regarded as the most competitive specialty in dentistry and there is no shortcut route (in terms of time/progression) to get there :)
I didn't make up the numbers from thin air. I had my interview there last october and Brian Hann (I think admission director) was giving us a tour, when we got to the ortho wing, he told us exactly that....
 

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I didn't make up the numbers from thin air. I had my interview there last october and Brian Hann (I think admission director) was giving us a tour, when we got to the ortho wing, he told us exactly that....
brian's a great guy, but i presume there's a tendency for stats to get a bit exaggerated when trying to sell a school to prospective students. i'm almost certain temple gets about 250 ortho applicants (which is basically average for any program) a year. just fyi :)
 

og2

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brian's a great guy, but i presume there's a tendency for stats to get a bit exaggerated when trying to sell a school to prospective students. i'm almost certain temple gets about 250 ortho applicants (which is basically average for any program) a year. just fyi :)
but bottom line -- still ultra competitive? yes. especially considering that these 250 or so applicants are as a rule typically the best of the best in dental school, which isn't always true of the majority of applicants to some of the other dental specialties. anyway, hope some of the stuff i've written over the last few posts has been mildly constructive :p