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Crete said:Since when did Punjabi culture include the burka? Or the OFFICIAL implementation of Sharia? The ban of alcohol? Keeping women off the dance floor? All these things are what my good Pakistani Punjabi friends have told me of from first-hand experience. I couldn't care less whether you "rediscover" your roots once you emigrate from Pakistan. I'm talking about Pakistan itself.
I also couldn't care less about you being Pakistani. You are your own country and that's fine. But get your facts straight. If you want to argue the effect Mughal rulers had on the culture of the subcontinent go right ahead, but don't confuse that with the ancestory of the region, which is a completely different topic.
Your examples of Persian similarities only reinforce my originial statement. Urdu is the result of Arabic being mixed with the indigenous language.
I've seen a whole of 2 Hindi movies in my life. What I base my statements on is fact. From the BBC to Punjabi historians from both sides, there is an incomparable amount of evidence that ethnic attacks started from the Pakistani side. But go read my last post before you lambast me about my biases. Your last two paragraphs show the chip you have on your shoulder while my comments stress that this happened 50 years ago so move on.
Punjabi culture doesn't include women off of dance floor and punjabi culture doesn't ban serving alcohol, Islamic teachings do. You can divide punjabi culture into Muslim and non-muslim punjabi culture (a parallel of which is found in arab culture). The term culture usually includes more than beer and dance. It usually includes a language, form of arts and crafts and traditions. The story of heer ranjha didn't mention dance floors and alcohol yet it is one of the most famous story of punjabi culture. If culture for you means dancing and alcohol then that culture never survived in Pakistan but, if it means arts, traditions, foods, festivals then yes it is alive in Pakistan. Basant is still celebrated in Lahore and other parts of Punjab when mustard flowers bloom. Heer Waris shah is still read in villages, people still talk about the love stories of Sohni Mahinwal and most important of all we still speak in Punjabi.
You have posted the above statement in your original post. So I just answered it. Ofcourse the Indian sub continent had its roots. Even before the time Muhammad Bin Qasim invaded sindh to save the arab merchants from Raja Dahir. However Indian subcontinent was divided into small states in fact the first time it was united after Ashok was under Akbar's rule. I just stated the fact the Hindi is more influenced by Sanskrit and Urdu is more influenced by Farsi.Fourth, Urdu and Hindi did not find their roots from Persia.
I agree that this happened fifty years ago in fact if you read all of this thread you would realize that the whole debate about India and Pakistan was started by an Indian. You think we Pakistanis really care about proving the seperation of Pakistan and India. No, we don't have to prove it, it is there. In fact I probably wouldn't have posted about it but I did because after all the Indian debates died you decided to revive it. Being a Punjabi I decided to correct you about your idea of Punjabi culture in Pakistan. That is all. I have lived in a pakistani punjabi culture. So I know that it is alive. About that chip on my shoulder I don't see anything wrong in saying that my country will remain till the day of judgment. Do you?