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Discussion in 'Surgery and Surgical Subspecialties' started by Ergo, Nov 17, 2005.

  1. Ergo

    Ergo Integrated Resident
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    +interviews: <programs>
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): <programs>
    region of med school: northeast, etc (however it's broken up on freida)
    med school ranking: top 25, 25-50, >50
    step1 range: <200, 200-215, >225
    step2 range:
    3rd year surgery clerkship: <grade>
    other clerkships:
    visiting rotations : <institution>
    research/publications: <yes/no>
     
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  3. Ergo

    Ergo Integrated Resident
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  4. Ergo

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    +interviews: Baylor, BID, UW, UAB, Pitt, Vanderbilt, Stanford, Emory, Loyola, Baylor Dallas, UTHouston, Univ Hawaii, MUSC
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): UCLA, MGH, NW
    region of med school: South
    med school ranking: 25-50
    AOA: Nope.
    Rank: Top 1/2 - 1/3
    step1 range: 225+
    step2 range: N/A
    3rd year surgery clerkship: HP
    other clerkships: HP and H
    visiting rotations : yes.
    research/publications: both.
    VIP LOR: yes x 4
     
  5. robotsonic

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    +interviews: Columbia, Cornell, Mt Sinai, NYU, St Luke's Roosevelt, St. Vincent's (nyc), Einstein Bronx, Einstein Beth Israel (nyc), SUNY downstate, Lenox Hill (nyc), Boston Univ, Virginia Mason, UC-Davis
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): MGH, BWH, UW, BIDMC, Stanford, UCSF (still haven't heard from a few others, will update later)
    region of med school: northeast
    med school ranking: top 25
    class ranking: top 50%
    AOA: no
    step1 range: >230
    step2 range: >260 (but the score was released 1/18/06, so I'm not sure if PDs will see it)
    3rd year surgery clerkship: honors
    other clerkships: HP, with one P in psych :p
    visiting rotations : no
    research/publications: no
    LOR: 4 total, all surgeons, 3 VIP
     
  6. imtiaz

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    +interviews: UIC, UIC-MetroGroup, UIC-peoria, St. Josephs(Chicago), Beaumont (MI), SLU, UF, UT Knoxville, UIowa, Loma Linda, Maricopa (AZ), Carraway (AL), UK-Wichita, Rush
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): UW, UWashington, WashU, MGH, BWH, Virginia Mason, Loyola, OHSU, Baylor (Houston), Baylor (Dallas), UChicago, Yale, Mayo Rochester, Mayo Scottsdale, Northwestern, BIDMC, Stanford, UCSF
    region of med school: midwest
    med school ranking: >50
    class rank: top 50%
    AOA: no
    step1 range: 200-220
    step2 range: 200-220
    3rd year surgery clerkship: honors
    other clerkships: medicine HP, obgyn P, psych HP, peds P
    visiting rotations : northwestern (surg onc, honors), UIC/Christ (trauma, honors), rush (transplant, honors)
    research/publications: yes, both.
    LORs: 8, 2VIP
     
  7. fishmonger69

    fishmonger69 deadly with a knife
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    here we go, with no specific order re: +interviews

    +interviews: Baylor (Houston), UT-SW, UT-SA, UTMB, CMC, Univ.Arkansas, MCG, Wayne State, Indiana, Univ.Missouri-Kansas City, WashU, Univ.Oklahoma, Univ.Nebraska, Univ.Tenn-Memphis, MUSC, Greenville Hospital System, Univ.Kentucky, Univ.Louisville
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): Emory, Univ.Chicago, Northwestern, Univ.Wisconsin
    region of med school: West South Central
    med school ranking: depends on who you ask :)
    class rank: top 50%
    AOA: nope
    step1 range: >230
    step2 range: 200-220
    3rd year surgery clerkship: pass
    other clerkships: HP all; H-senior surgery
    visiting rotations: yes x1
    research/publications: yes, both
    LORs: 4 total, all VIP
     
  8. NebelDO

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    For my fellow osteopaths..

    Interviews-Mayo(R), Virginia Mason, Ohio State, Medical College of Wisconsin, Penn State, MCG, UTC, UT-Memphis, Greenville, New Hanover, ETSU, Stamford, Thomas Jefferson
    Rejections UNC, Cincy, BWH, UW(udub), Wisconsin, Northwestern, Loyola, Albert Einstein-Philly
    Snubs/Still Waiting on BIDMC, Dartmouth, Minnesota, Rush, UI-Peoria, Ol Miss, Vandy, Mayo(J), Michigan, Exempla St.Joes, Case, Cleveland Clinic, Georgetown, Mich State, Hennepin Co,Carolinas Medical Center, INOVA fairfax, Swedish, West Virginia
    Med School South
    Class rank 19/175
    No AOA but SSP(Sigma Sigma Phi), Psi Sigma Alpha-sorta AOA equivalent
    Step 1 235-240, Comlex-724/99
    Step 2 240, Comlex-722/98
    3rd Year Surg PH
    SuBI's-yes x 2
    No Research
    4 LORS- 2 from 3rd year, 1 from SubI, 1-Chairman at Home
     
  9. chirish

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    +interviews: Columbia, St. luke's-Roosevelt, Mt. Sinai, New York Hospital, Lenox Hill, New york Methodist, OHSU, Good Sam Phoenix, Albert Einstein Philly, Graduate Hospital Philly
    -interviews: Norwestern, UW, Virginia Mason
    snubs: Swedish, Cornell, Temple, Drexel, Maimonides, Cabrini, wherever else I really don't remember
    region of med school: southwest
    med school ranking: >50
    step1 range: <200, but passing
    step2 range: >225
    3rd year surgery clerkship: HP
    other clerkships: surg elective x 2- H, others mostly P/HP
    visiting rotations : x2
    research/publications: no
    VIP LOR: 4 Lor's, 2 VIP
     
  10. daisygirl

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    +interviews: Mt. Sinai, Mount Sinai-Cabrini, Stamford, Baystate, Boston U, UMDNJ-Newark, UMDNJ-RWJ, Einstein-Montefiore, Einstein- Beth Israel, Lahey Clinic, Maimonides, New York Hospital, NYMC- WMC, St. Vincents, North Shore-LIJ, SUNY Downstate, SUNY SB, St. Lukes-Roosevelt, Lehigh Valley, St. Lukes-PA, St. Mary's Hospital- Waterbury, CT.

    snubs: Columbia, Yale, BID.
    waitlist: Lenox Hill :confused:

    region of med school: Northeast
    med school ranking: <50
    step1 range: >225
    step2 range: will take in Feb
    3rd year surgery clerkship: pass- this hurts :thumbdown:
    other clerkships: fourth year surgery sub-i's H*3, a couple of H's in third year, and the rest all HP in third year
    visiting rotations : x1
    research/publications: no
    VIP LOR: 4 LOR's
     
  11. happy puppet

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    +interviews: Mt. Sinai, Cornell, Albert Einstein (Bronx), BIDMC, Dartmouth, Emory, UNC, U Chicago, Northwestern, Rush, OHSU, UW(dub), UC Davis, U Minnesota, U Wisconsin, Utah
    -interviews: Brigham Women's
    still waiting: Columbia, U Michigan, U Maryland (didn't realize they were so competitive!), Hennepin, Stanford, Brown
    region of med school: Northwest
    med school ranking: top 10-15%
    AOA: no
    step1: 225
    step2a: 235, step2b: pass
    3rd year surgery clerkship: honors
    other 3rd/4th yr clerkships: all honors except OB/Gyn, Family Medicine, and Neuro
    visiting rotations : x1 (honors)
    research/publications: yes
    VIP LOR: 4 LOR's- Chairman, thesis advisor (hepatologist), our PD, another surgeon (my surgery research advisor)
     
  12. merlin

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    So far the list stands as...applied to 34

    +interviews: Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital, UCSF-East Bay, USC, U Colorado, U Hawaii, Boston Univ., Dartmouth, Einstein-Bronx, Mt. Sinai, OHSU
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): Yale, BIDMC, Brigham Woman's, Mass Gen., Hopkins, Columbia, U Washington, U Wisconsin
    region of med school: northeast
    med school ranking: Not sure but think likely >50
    step1 range: >230
    step2 range: >230
    3rd year surgery clerkship: High Pass
    other clerkships: H-medicine & Family, HP-all others, medicine sub-i HP
    visiting rotations : yes - no grade yet
    research/publications: no


    Seems like honors in surgery in 3rd year is fairly important judging from other responses...
     
  13. HMS '05

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    +interviews: MGH, Brigham, Hopkins, UCSF, Emory, Duke, WashU, Michigan
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): none
    region of med school: northeast
    med school ranking: top 25
    class ranking: N/A (school doesn't rank)
    AOA: N/A (school doesn't have AOA)
    step1 range: 265-275
    step2 range: 265-275 [edit--just received scores]
    3rd year surgery clerkship: High Honors
    other core clerkships: All high honors except honors in Primary Care
    visiting rotations : no
    research/publications: yes/yes
    LOR: 4 total (Lab PI, Surg Chairman, former Surg Chairman, core surgery course director)
     
  14. geekgirl

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    +interviews: Wash U, UPenn, Michigan, Georgetown, Jefferson, MGH, Brigham, Hopkins, UCSF, Stanford
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): Columbia (?)
    region of med school: northeast
    med school ranking: not sure, but well respected surgically
    class ranking: top 3rd
    AOA: yes - junior member
    step1 range: > 240
    step2 range: bad - < 220
    3rd year surgery clerkship: High Pass
    other core clerkships: Honors in surg subspecialties, fam med, psych, and subIs
    visiting rotations : x3 (duke, penn, hopkins)
    research/publications: PhD/yes
    LOR: 4 total - thesis advisor (well respected researcher), Surg Chairman at my school, Surg Chairman (at another school who I did research with), Surgeon from away elective
     
  15. toxic-megacolon

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    +interviews: Include U Washington, OHSU, Every non-7 year program in the UC system, Minnesota, Michigan, UChicago, UIC, Maryland, Loyola, NYU, Mt Sinai, George Washington, Emory, and various community programs in midwest and west coast.
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): Columbia, Northwestern
    Waiting on Hennepin County, Rush, UNC, Vandy, Stanford, Georgetown, Cornell, Cedars (of these I only really care about HCMC and Stanford)
    region of med school: midwest
    med school ranking: top 1/3 (at least according to USNews)
    class ranking: school does not rank students
    AOA: no way
    step1 range: > 250
    step2 range: > 250
    3rd year surgery clerkship: Honors
    other core clerkships: Mix of Honors and High Pass, one Pass in Sleep Medicine :confused:
    visiting rotations : nope
    research/publications: what's research?
    LOR 1 Surgical letter from sub-I, 1 Surgery Chair, 1 OBGYN, 1 Internal Med
     
  16. ExtraCrispy

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    +interviews: MGH, B&W, BIDMC, UMass, BU, Stonybrook, North Shore, Columbia, Cornell, Mt. Sinai, Einstein, Hopkins, UConn, Yale, Dartmouth, NYU, Brown, Tufts
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): None
    Waiting on : Zippo
    region of med school: Northeast
    med school ranking: Top 25
    class ranking: school does not rank students
    AOA: Yes
    step1 range: 230-240
    step2 range: 220-230 (Yuck!!)
    3rd year surgery clerkship: Honors
    other core clerkships: HP in Int Med, Honors in everything else
    visiting rotations : Nope
    research/publications: Some research, minor pubs
    LOR 1 Chairman's letter, 1 surgery clerkship preceptor, 2 from surgical sub-I (1 of them VIP)
     
  17. AlexRusso

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    +interviews: Beth Israel (NYC), St Luke's-Roosvelt, Cornell, Mt. Sinai, Columbia, NYU, SUNY Stony Brook, SUNY Upstate, SUNY Downstate, NJ MED (Newark), UMDNJ - RWJ, UMDNJ - Camden, Staten Island Univ, Albert Einstein (NYC), North Shore-LIJ, NYMC, Cabrini (NYC), Brooklyn Hospital, Methodist (NYC), Brookdale (NYC), Queens Med Center, Our Lady Mercy, Sound Shore, Nassau Univ, St. Vincent's, Lenox Hill, Maimonides (NYC),
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): Yale, Harlem Hospital
    Waiting on : Bronx-Lebanon, Brooklyn/Queens prog of NYMC
    region of med school: Northeast
    med school ranking: ??? where do you get this info?
    class ranking: Top 10%
    AOA: Junior inductee
    step1 range: 250+
    step2 range: Didn't take it yet
    3rd year surgery clerkship: High Pass
    other core clerkships: Honors in Medicine, High Pass in everything else except Family Medicine where I got a Pass. Also Honors in Cardiology elective, Surgical research elective and Surgery SUB-I at my school.
    visiting rotations : 2 --> Honors at one of them, still in the middle of the other
    research/publications: Working on 2 projects right now, no pubs
    LOR 4 (Dept. Chairman, 2 from the Surgeons I'm doing research with, 1 form my Sub-I)
     
  18. ChiSoxMD

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    +interviews: Wash U, UCLA, Hopkins, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt, Michigan, MGH, Cornell, Duke, BWH, Pittsburgh, Stanford
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): UCSF
    Waiting on :
    region of med school: Midwest
    med school ranking: Top 25
    class ranking: Top 15%
    AOA: Yes
    step1 range: 255-265
    step2 range: Not Yet
    3rd year surgery clerkship: Honors
    other core clerkships: Honors in Medicine, High Pass in everything else except for neuro and ob/gyn.
    visiting rotations : 1 - High Honors
    research/publications: some research (bench and translational), minor pubs, 1 pub in progress
    LOR 3 (Dept. Chairman, 1 senior surgeon, 1 from sub-I)
     
  19. DocTan

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    +interviews: st.elizabeth, abington, LIJ, Temple Uni, Harlem, NYMC/st.vincents, U of Washington, Uni S.Carolina, Brooklyn, Union Mem, Yale, Atlanta Medical Center
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): too many to list. about 60 formal rejections
    Waiting on : Uni of Nevada, Hawaii, Maricopa, Orlando regional, LSU
    region of med school: IMG (Philippines)
    med school ranking: Top 3 in philippines
    class ranking: Top 10%
    AOA: No
    step1 range: 250+
    step2 range: 240+ step 2cs: pass
    3rd year surgery clerkship: Honors
    other core clerkships: Honors in all core rotations
    visiting rotations : 3- Mt Sinai (NY), 3- St. John's (NY)
    research/publications: Phd/1 published paper
    LOR 4 all surgery (Chairman, 3 attending surgeons)
     
  20. Ergo

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    naive question, but what does bump mean?? :confused:
     
  22. Ergo

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    When a topic works its way down the page, to "bump" it moves it back to the top where its visible.
     
  23. Smoke This

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    +interviews: emory, minnesota, baylor, wash u, wisconsin, mayo jax, indiana, chicago, louisville, maryland, duke, pitt, penn state, florida, virginia, utah, ohsu, ucla, rochester, ut-sw, colorado, uci, ucd, usc, suny upstate, u miami, uab, iowa, thomas jefferson
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): mayo scottsdale, uw, vandy, northwestern
    Waiting on: nevada, michigan, mayo rochester, penn
    region of med school: dirty south
    med school ranking: top 5
    class ranking: sh!t
    AOA: No
    step1 range: 250+
    step2 range: putting off as long as possible
    3rd year surgery clerkship: high pass
    other core clerkships: honors in medicine, psych; high pass in the rest
    visiting rotations: none surgical
    research/publications: some crappy research between 1st and 2nd year, no pubs
    LOR 4, all surgery (chairman + 2 fairly well known professors and 1 assistant prof)
     
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    I'll give this a bump...
     
  25. Joel Fleischman

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    I think this is pretty intersting
    Ill bump it a gain
     
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    forgive my ignorance, but i don't understand this grading system. as i understand it:

    honors=a
    high pass=b
    pass=c

    is this right? sorry if this is posted on a sticky somewhere.
     
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    Basically. I think that many medschools use to H/HP/P system to avoid the stigma of "B" and "C" grades. So many people in medschool have never made a C in their lives, and would probably flip out if they saw several Cs on their transcript, while a "Pass" might not be as stressful? In talking to a few people at several medschools, though, grades at A/B/C places might be slightly more inflated. (Of course there are exceptions). At two different ABC schools I know of, you really have to do poorly to get a C, while at H/HP/P places, P's are slightly more common place. All that said, my sample size is 2 ABC schools, and 4 H/HP/P schools.
     
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    Honors == No more than top 15% of class, usually around top 12% gradewise
    High Pass == individuals that don't get honors, but > top 50%
    Pass == Bottom 50% of class
     
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    At my school it was divided 30/30/40 for H/HP/P. Its really variable.
     
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    My school's about:
    15-20% Honors
    15-20% HP
    60-70% Pass
     
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    where i go to school:
    5-10% honors
    rest are pass/fail
    we don't have a high pass distinction; also to honor any rotation, you have to get above the 90th percentile on the subject's national board exam.
     
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    wow, makes the grades basically pointless. i wish all schools would go pass/fail and end this farce.
     
  33. toxic-megacolon

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    Can you imagine how much more pressure that would put on your USMLE? Besides I think most PDs at least glance at the histogram on the back of the Dean's letter to get an overall impression of how much a schools grades are inflated/deflated. But then again, some surgery programs do screen general surgical applicants by if they got Honors in Surgery.
     
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    +interviews: Colorado, Baylors (both), UTSW, Methodist Dallas, Oklahoma, KU-KC, SLU, UAB, UT-Memphis, UT-Knoxville, Louisville, Cleveland Clinic, Case Western, Emory, MUSC, Carolinas, UMKC, UT-San Antonio
    -interviews (rejections/snubs): Utah, Vandy, MGH, Rush, Northwestern, UNC, Pitt, WashU
    region of med school: Great Plains/Midwest
    med school ranking: ???? ~50? (who's ranking?)
    step1 range: >235
    step2 range: >240
    3rd year surgery clerkship: Honors ("Superior" at my school)
    other clerkships: medicine honors, others high pass
    visiting rotations : Baylor-Dallas
    research/publications: are you kidding?

    see "match results" thread for outcome...
     
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    Holy f&ck! You've gotta be kidding me! You had 235/240 and didn't match!!! Was it because you wereee a DO osteopath!!?? That totally sucks becasuse Ia all aIII want to toodo is to be a surgeon osteop.

     

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