applying for specialty and GPR

[echox184]

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Hey, I am a little confused here on the whole PASS thing I guess, I heard somewhere that you can apply for both specialties and GPRs at the same, just wondering how that all worked.

 

[wannagiveup]

Hey, I am a little confused here on the whole PASS thing I guess, I heard somewhere that you can apply for both specialties and GPRs at the same, just wondering how that all worked.

Yes you can apply to both. It's pretty self-explanatory once you log into ADEA PASS. You basically upload an individualized personal statement for each program and submit the app. I believe LoRs and transcripts (undergraduate and dental) are centralized as in they are sent to all programs. FYI there are some programs that have their own application system and don't use ADEA PASS at all.

 

[Onyxxx7]

What if they are in two separate phases?


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[wannagiveup]

What if they are in two separate phases?


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You can still apply but if you do get matched to a phase 1 program (which you will find out first), then you have to forfeit your application in the later phase programs. This is all assuming your programs participate in MATCH. If you get accepted to a program that doesn't participate in MATCH and you want to go there, then you have to withdraw your application from MATCH programs before the phase results are released. Another possibility is that if you don't match in phase 1 and you look for post-match phase 1 spots and then you get in. In this case you will need to forfeit your application to phase 2 programs.

 

[Onyxxx7]

This is for ADEA Pass applications and MATCH. Wouldn’t the institutional letter need to be catered to both specialties and/or GPR?


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[wannagiveup]

This is for ADEA Pass applications and MATCH. Wouldn’t the institutional letter need to be catered to both specialties and/or GPR?


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Pretty sure your institutional letter just states your class rank, NBDE pass/fail, and how strongly your dean recommends you. idk why it needs to be "catered" to anything.

 

[Onyxxx7]

Well given that your LORs and institutional letter are confidential, it would be a misfortune if said specialty is mentioned and sent to GPR or other specialty institutions. I feel that being discrete would be the best policy when applying with this approach.


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[wannagiveup]

Well given that your LORs and institutional letter are confidential, it would be a misfortune if said specialty is mentioned and sent to GPR or other specialty institutions. I feel that being discrete would be the best policy when applying with this approach.


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idk but def don't misspell discreet in your PS.

 

[P7898]

How can you apply to specialty and AEGD/GPR at the same time? How's that work? Sorry I didn't understand the previous explanation.

 

[wannagiveup]

How can you apply to specialty and AEGD/GPR at the same time? How's that work? Sorry I didn't understand the previous explanation.

All specialties and GPR/AEGD programs are available from day one on ADEA PASS. Not sure what's so confusing about this?

 

[P7898]

So for example if you are applying for a specialty and a GPR for example like can you rank them in terms of what you want? For example: 1) Endo at blah blah University 2) GPR at Stanford University 3) Peds at Nevada

 

[wannagiveup]

So for example if you are applying for a specialty and a GPR for example like can you rank them in terms of what you want? For example: 1) Endo at blah blah University 2) GPR at Stanford University 3) Peds at Nevada

Yeah except endo doesn't participate in MATCH pretty sure. You can rank in order of preference (doesn't matter if the rank order contains more than one specialty or GPR/AEGD). The only caveat is that you can only submit your rank order during phases and for instance can't submit a rank with a GPR/AEGD in phase 1 because GPR/AEGDs (except for Canadian GPRs I believe) belong in phase 2.

 

[P7898]

What are the phases and what do they entail (specialties that partake in them)? Sorry for all the questions.

 

[wannagiveup]

What are the phases and what do they entail (specialties that partake in them)? Sorry for all the questions.

So MATCH happens in two phases with two different deadlines. Phase 1 is for ortho, prosth, and perio (+Canadian GPR). You submit your preference in an ordered list called rank order to MATCH by November. Phase 1 program directors also submit their preference of candidates to MATCH. After a few weeks MATCH releases the results for Phase 1. If you match at this point, you are done. You can't participate in Phase 2. Phase 2 is for omfs, peds, and GPR/AEGD. Phase 2 deadline for submitting rank order is either January or Feb. I can't recall exactly, but it's after phase 1. Oh btw, you can only rank programs where you interviewed. If you didn't get any interviews, there's no point in submitting a rank.

 

[P7898]

Interesting. Ok so lets say you applied to perio in Phase 1 and you matched somewhere but also applied to AEGD in phase 2.... what happens?

Similarly... What if you apply to Omfs and AGED in the same phase? Would you rank OMS and AGED residencies on the same list and wait to see who picks you? Could be AEGD or OMS?

Thanks for the clarification by the way!

 

[wannagiveup]

Interesting. Ok so lets say you applied to perio in Phase 1 and you matched somewhere but also applied to AEGD in phase 2.... what happens?

Similarly... What if you apply to Omfs and AGED in the same phase? Would you rank OMS and AGED residencies on the same list and wait to see who picks you? Could be AEGD or OMS?

Thanks for the clarification by the way!

In your first scenario you go to perio. In your second scenario, it will depend on how you rank OMFS and AEGD on the list. If you rank an OMFS program higher than an AEGD program, and the OMFS program director ranks you high on his/her list, you will match to OMFS. So yeah it could be either OMFS or AEGD depending on how you are ranked by program directors. If a program director doesn't find you appealing as a candidate he/she can choose not to rank you in which case your chance of matching into that particular program is zero no matter how high you rank the program.

 

[P7898]

In your first scenario you go to perio. In your second scenario, it will depend on how you rank OMFS and AEGD on the list. If you rank an OMFS program higher than an AEGD program, and the OMFS program director ranks you high on his/her list, you will match to OMFS. So yeah it could be either OMFS or AEGD depending on how you are ranked by program directors. If a program director doesn't find you appealing as a candidate he/she can choose not to rank you in which case your chance of matching into that particular program is zero no matter how high you rank the program.

Thanks for the clarification. So you could essentially not match phase 1 and apply for residencies in phase 2.

 

[wannagiveup]

Thanks for the clarification. So you could essentially not match phase 1 and apply for residencies in phase 2.

You are correct. Keep in mind that a lot of phase 2 programs have fairly early application deadlines so by the time you wait to hear back from phase 1 programs, it might be too late to apply to phase 2 programs. Best to apply early and be picky later.

 

[P7898]

You are correct. Keep in mind that a lot of phase 2 programs have fairly early application deadlines so by the time you wait to hear back from phase 1 programs, it might be too late to apply to phase 2 programs. Best to apply early and be picky later.

So just apply to everything at once then? Thanks for the help. Applying next year.... hopefully when all of this settles.

 

[wannagiveup]

So just apply to everything at once then? Thanks for the help. Applying next year.... hopefully when all of this settles.

Yep.

 

[coldicecream]

Say you match Phase 1 but changed you're mind, can you decline the offer?

 

[wannagiveup]

Say you match Phase 1 but changed you're mind, can you decline the offer?

It's binding as in you have to go if you match and if you decline, you could be sanctioned (eg barred from applying to match programs for a certain number of years). It looks badly on your school too for future applicants if you decline.

 

[coldicecream]

Thank you!!

 

[P7898]

So moral of it Is that if you have a handful of specific programs like 3 that you would want to go to in phase one just apply to those 3 and if you don't get in, do GPR and reapply after.

 

[Humbl3Pye]

This is for ADEA Pass applications and MATCH. Wouldn’t the institutional letter need to be catered to both specialties and/or GPR?


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Institutional letter is not tailored. It is basic info about you (class rank, academic standing). Think of it like a resting heart rate, it just lets programs know whether or not you’re alive and healthy enough to proceed with the application process.

 

[ssm38]

Also thinking of applying to GPRs/AEGDs as a backup for a specialty but from what I understand, the institutional eval has a narrative section where they write about what specialty you're interested in. Also can you choose on PASS which letters of rec you want to send out to different schools? I heard it just sends everything.. Should I still apply to GPRs with that eval if it says I'm interested in ortho? I just want to have a backup plan in the case I don't match.

 

[cementoenamel junction]

So if the LOR's are centralized, and you're applying to GPR's and OMFS Residencies, essentially the referee can't really elaborate too much on your interest in either of them. They would have to be quite general in the way they speak of the applicant?

 

[wannagiveup]

So if the LOR's are centralized, and you're applying to GPR's and OMFS Residencies, essentially the referee can't really elaborate too much on your interest in either of them. They would have to be quite general in the way they speak of the applicant?

For LoRs, yes. However, some specialty programs either require or explicitly encourage that you get at least one reference from a specialist, so that alone will reveal to GPR/AEGD directors that you are most likely applying to their programs as a backup, especially when there are specialty specific items on your CV.

 

[cementoenamel junction]

For LoRs, yes. However, some specialty programs either require or explicitly encourage that you get at least one reference from a specialist, so that alone will reveal to GPR/AEGD directors that you are most likely applying to their programs as a backup, especially when there are specialty specific items on your CV.

damn! that makes me sad--cuz it's either choose one or the other

 

[Iamgonnamakeit]

I applied to endo and now I want to apply to GPR programs. All of my LORs are tailored for endo. How bad will my application look? is there a way to send new LORs directly to the GPR programs? Also, don't the GPR programs directors kind of know that students apply for specialties and if they can't get in they usually apply for GPR programs?

 

[UCMS2013]

I applied to endo and now I want to apply to GPR programs. All of my LORs are tailored for endo. How bad will my application look? is there a way to send new LORs directly to the GPR programs? Also, don't the GPR programs directors kind of know that students apply for specialties and if they can't get in they usually apply for GPR programs?

Would love some feedback on this question

 

[Faefly]

Also thinking of applying to GPRs/AEGDs as a backup for a specialty but from what I understand, the institutional eval has a narrative section where they write about what specialty you're interested in. Also can you choose on PASS which letters of rec you want to send out to different schools? I heard it just sends everything.. Should I still apply to GPRs with that eval if it says I'm interested in ortho? I just want to have a backup plan in the case I don't match.

Yes, they did that with me too, they said which specialty I am interested in which honestly sucks!

 

[Faefly]

I applied to endo and now I want to apply to GPR programs. All of my LORs are tailored for endo. How bad will my application look? is there a way to send new LORs directly to the GPR programs? Also, don't the GPR programs directors kind of know that students apply for specialties and if they can't get in they usually apply for GPR programs?

I am on the same boat as you. I wonder too. my bet if we didn't get into ENdo, we'll be in post-match, and get some not ideal GPR programs.
Lose/lose situation.

 

[Faefly]

So if the LOR's are centralized, and you're applying to GPR's and OMFS Residencies, essentially the referee can't really elaborate too much on your interest in either of them. They would have to be quite general in the way they speak of the applicant?

THe IEF is not generlized.