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What are some of the factors that motivate people to apply there?
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i know two people who went to school there, and they both had positives and negatives to say about it.
from what i've heard, it's a decent place to be. But one thing I didn't like about the school is there admissions office. They have a horrible reputation of being EXTREMELY slow at processing applications. i know that this last year they got waaaaay behind in sending out secondaries. it was the last one i recieved. I think I got it in October or November. The admissions office said each time that I called that they would be sending out secondaries to students "next week". This statement began in August!!!! In fact, I still don't think I have received a rejection letter from them!
Someone else earlier in the year posted a reply that they were in their first year of medical school and had just received a rejection letter from Howard.
But don't let hearsay keep you from applying where you want to go!!!!!
from what i've heard, it's a decent place to be. But one thing I didn't like about the school is there admissions office. They have a horrible reputation of being EXTREMELY slow at processing applications. i know that this last year they got waaaaay behind in sending out secondaries. it was the last one i recieved. I think I got it in October or November. The admissions office said each time that I called that they would be sending out secondaries to students "next week". This statement began in August!!!! In fact, I still don't think I have received a rejection letter from them!
Someone else earlier in the year posted a reply that they were in their first year of medical school and had just received a rejection letter from Howard.
But don't let hearsay keep you from applying where you want to go!!!!!
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What motivates people to apply there?? Their average mcat score of like 26, and gpa of 3.2. Or something of that range.... Also given that its a historically black college they figure if they are white applying there it should be easier to get in.
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Howard wants students that are genuinely interested in working in underserved communities, especially minority underserved communities. This is the reason they dont accept that many white students, because they dont think white students are as likely to work in underserved communities.
Also howard has one of the lowest private school tuitions in the country.
I second that the admissions committee needs a lot of work, but once you get in, I hear the school is very solid.
Also howard has one of the lowest private school tuitions in the country.
I second that the admissions committee needs a lot of work, but once you get in, I hear the school is very solid.
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What kind of junk is that.... Whites wont' work in underserved areas??? Its the same for blacks!!! Why would a black person care sooo much about the underserved any more than a white person. They will both be getting paid crap...
Gimme a break....
Plenty of rural america areas where white doctors work. Not all underserved areas are predomoninantly black. In fact most urban areas where blacks live there are TONS of doctors because its usually right near a big city... New York, Chicago etc...
Gimme a break....
Plenty of rural america areas where white doctors work. Not all underserved areas are predomoninantly black. In fact most urban areas where blacks live there are TONS of doctors because its usually right near a big city... New York, Chicago etc...
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if you read my post more carefully, you would see that i said especially minority underserved communities. i know that rural areas are also underserved but training doctors for rural areas is not howard's primary objective. their tradition is to train MINORITY doctors to serve MINORITIES. Sure, white applicants want to work in underserved areas, but they have to make that very clear if they want to attend howard, and not just treat it like a school with below average stats or a safety school
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I think we need more rural america doctors than your definition of underserved... As i said big cities have PLENTY of doctors. Now there isn't much one can do when the people living in these "underserved" niches of these cities don't go to doctors... they ar ereadily available by hopping on a subway. And the problem is that those people also don't have insurance when you say underserved... So unless your goign to work in a free clinic as far as i can imagine its difficult to do anything for those "underserved" areas in big cities...
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So why don't you start your own thread expresssing your concerns instead of talking about that in a thread about motivations for applying to Howard. Better yet, IF you can get admitted to medical school why don't you take your AS$ to "country bumpkinville" and practice there yourself.
I am so sick of you people turning every thread that has the slightest thing to do with URM's into either a debate about AA or some sorry as$ attempt to bash Howard, Meharry, or Morehouse.
Now back to the thread topic, my motivation for applying to Howard having received college degrees from HWCU's is the phenominal support one can get in this environment. When I interviewd there years ago, I cannot describe the pride I felt being around many, many, african american doctors and scientists. As great as UNC-Chapel Hill was for me, I know that in many ways it would never compare on an emotional level to what I could expereince at Howard. The only other place I "feel" this good about, supported and encouraged is the NIH.
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Geldrop,
Stop being such a complainer! Of course I think that rural areas are extremely underserved. And as such schools should and have looked into getting people to serve these areas. There was an article in the LA Times about how USC med school bent over backwards to accept this hispanic girl originally from the central valley of CA. She had something like an MCAT of 25 and a 3.1 (out of 5.0) from MIT.
The point of Howard was it was set up after the civil war to produce black doctors. The school's mission is to produce minority doctors to service it's communities.
A school like UC Davis's mission is to produce doctors for rural/farming areas like California's central valley.
I am not saying that Howard or UC Davis is restricted to only recruit people for those purposes but it is what they strive for. So don't harp on Howard for gearing their class toward producing minority physicians wanting to service their communities. And by the way there are lots of blacks in rural areas in the south, not just in big citites.
Stop being such a complainer! Of course I think that rural areas are extremely underserved. And as such schools should and have looked into getting people to serve these areas. There was an article in the LA Times about how USC med school bent over backwards to accept this hispanic girl originally from the central valley of CA. She had something like an MCAT of 25 and a 3.1 (out of 5.0) from MIT.
The point of Howard was it was set up after the civil war to produce black doctors. The school's mission is to produce minority doctors to service it's communities.
A school like UC Davis's mission is to produce doctors for rural/farming areas like California's central valley.
I am not saying that Howard or UC Davis is restricted to only recruit people for those purposes but it is what they strive for. So don't harp on Howard for gearing their class toward producing minority physicians wanting to service their communities. And by the way there are lots of blacks in rural areas in the south, not just in big citites.
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the NHSC puts out a list of shortage areas annually, for general knowledge and folks who are their scholars to look to practice, to fulfill their service requirements....and places in the big cities you claim are not underserved are always on the lists....Brooklyn, NY; Harlem, NY; Bronx, NY (I am from NY so i was particularly interested) ....various places in the 'hoods' of chicago, boston, detroit, and philly etc etc. so please don't mistake a city and alot of hospitals for being 'overserved'. My mother had my younger sibling in the hallways of Kings County Hospital in bklyn....it certainly wasn't because there were ALOT of doctors.... furthermore, why should one have to hop on a train an hour or two from their home inorder to get medical treatment....which is what my mother 'wised' up and did for the child after that....that plain old sucks. Both places are truly underserved..rural and ghetto areas of the city...
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i completely forgot my other point..which was that howard presumes, probably accurately, that most white folk would NOT want to work in those innercity conditions. BUT the vast majority of their students wind up in residencies and jobs in places like i mentioned in the above post. I can see this being somewhat valid although a huge generalization. Obviously all black folks who finally get out the ghetto aren't necessarily rushing back to it....and all white people aren't necessarily trying to avoid placces they would be a minority.
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pathdr2b,
You have a great point. People like geldrop don't actually read questions posted here in order to make a substantive contribution. Instead, they look for the acronym URMS and then start the bashing game. Grow up people. Premeds suppose to help each other irrespective of people's ethnic backgrounds. I salute all those who are helping premeds.
You have a great point. People like geldrop don't actually read questions posted here in order to make a substantive contribution. Instead, they look for the acronym URMS and then start the bashing game. Grow up people. Premeds suppose to help each other irrespective of people's ethnic backgrounds. I salute all those who are helping premeds.
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Just thought I would share some little known factiods:
Originally posted by njbmd on another pre-med website
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Hi all,
Howard University College of Medicine is located in Washington, DC. It is one of three medical schools located within the city limits and one of five medical schools located within the Baltimore-Washington Corridor. Howard is one of the HBCUs or Historically Black Colleges and Universities and has chosen as it's mission for the 21st century, to be a magnet treatment center for diseases that are rampant in the African-American population. Howard University College of Medicine grants the MD and MD-Ph.D degrees after study.
The student body of Howard is very diverse. At present, it is about 40% of African descent (African-American, Caribbean and African) and 60% other (Latino, Asian, Middle-Eastern, Native American and White). The faculty tends to mirror the student body population. If you are reading this and thinking that you can't get into Howard because you are White, Asian or Middle-Eastern, forget the thought because while Latino and students of African descent make up a majority of the student body, others groups are well represented and very welcome at Howard. There is no reverse discrimination here. We value our diversity and celebrate it at every opportunity.
The curriculum at Howard is intergrated with the first year consisting of blocks of study such as Cellular Mechanisms and Structural Mechanisms. Second year is still pretty traditional with Pharm, Physiology, Pathology and Physical Diagnosis.
You must take and pass USMLE Step I before you are allowed to proceed to the Third year which is the year of required clinical clerkships. The class is divided into three groups with four subgroups. You start and end the year with you subgroup. Group I starts with Medicine, Group II starts with Surgery or OB/Gyn and Group III starts with Peds or Psych. Required clerkships are Pediatrics- 8 weeks; Psychiatry 6-weeks; Family Practice 6 weeks, Surgery 8-weeks; Ob-Gyn 8 weeks; Medicine 12 weeks; Neurology/Neurosurgery-4 weeks.
The fourth year is spent in electives but there are two required rotations: Senior Medicine and Senior Surgery. Senior Medicine may be: Acting Internship, Medical Subspecialty. Senior Surgery may be: SICU or Acting Internship. You are required to do your Senior Surgery or Medicine at one of Howard affiliate hospitals or at university hospital. You also required to do a primary care clerkship which does not include Senior Medicine. After the above and the exams for Senior Medicine and Senior Surgery, you may take away electives. You must take and pass USMLE Step II before you can graduate from Howard University.
Howard has a rich tradition and legacy in medicine. The first open heart surgery was performed by Dr. Daniel Hale Williams at Howard; the first C-Section in the United States was performed at Howard; Dr. Charles Drew operated the first blood bank at Howard University. We have Dr. LaSalle Lefalle who was the first African-American president of the American College of Surgeons and the developer of most of the techniques of anastomoses in Colo-rectal surgery used today. We have Dr. Ernest Myers in ENT who has written the definite textbook on Head and Neck Cancer in use today; we have Dr. Charles Curry who is the American Heart Association's Physician of the Year. We have the premier tissue typing laboratory under the direction of Dr. Georgia Dunston and we have Dr. Clive Callender who is a world-renouned renal transplant surgeon and Dr. Gary Dennis who is the chief of Neurosurgery and holder of several patents for intraventricular pain delivery devices. We have been named in US News & World Report as a top center for Endocrinology and Rheumatology.
Finally Howard has trained most of the African American physicians practicing in the United States today including: Edward Cornwell, III, chief of trauma surgery at Johns Hopkins, R. Sean Benoit, trauma surgeon at Inova Fairfax, LaSalle Lefalle Jr, former president of the American College of Surgeons.
Strong departments at Howard include General Surgery, Cardiology, Emergency Medicine and Infectious Diseases.
Graduates of Howard University typically match at places such as Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, San Francisco General Hospital, UCLA Medical Center, Peter Bent Brigham Hospital, Massachusetts General Hospital, Yale Medical Center as well as Georgetown, GW and Howard.
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FYI, the above poster is a current PGY-II in surgery at UVA and a Howard U SOM alum...oh and she scored 36 on the MCAT. To all current and future Howard U SOM alumns: You ARE following in the footsteps of some very excellent physicians. Be proud and show us that the legacy still continues...😎
Originally posted by njbmd on another pre-med website
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Hi all,
Howard University College of Medicine is located in Washington, DC. It is one of three medical schools located within the city limits and one of five medical schools located within the Baltimore-Washington Corridor. Howard is one of the HBCUs or Historically Black Colleges and Universities and has chosen as it's mission for the 21st century, to be a magnet treatment center for diseases that are rampant in the African-American population. Howard University College of Medicine grants the MD and MD-Ph.D degrees after study.
The student body of Howard is very diverse. At present, it is about 40% of African descent (African-American, Caribbean and African) and 60% other (Latino, Asian, Middle-Eastern, Native American and White). The faculty tends to mirror the student body population. If you are reading this and thinking that you can't get into Howard because you are White, Asian or Middle-Eastern, forget the thought because while Latino and students of African descent make up a majority of the student body, others groups are well represented and very welcome at Howard. There is no reverse discrimination here. We value our diversity and celebrate it at every opportunity.
The curriculum at Howard is intergrated with the first year consisting of blocks of study such as Cellular Mechanisms and Structural Mechanisms. Second year is still pretty traditional with Pharm, Physiology, Pathology and Physical Diagnosis.
You must take and pass USMLE Step I before you are allowed to proceed to the Third year which is the year of required clinical clerkships. The class is divided into three groups with four subgroups. You start and end the year with you subgroup. Group I starts with Medicine, Group II starts with Surgery or OB/Gyn and Group III starts with Peds or Psych. Required clerkships are Pediatrics- 8 weeks; Psychiatry 6-weeks; Family Practice 6 weeks, Surgery 8-weeks; Ob-Gyn 8 weeks; Medicine 12 weeks; Neurology/Neurosurgery-4 weeks.
The fourth year is spent in electives but there are two required rotations: Senior Medicine and Senior Surgery. Senior Medicine may be: Acting Internship, Medical Subspecialty. Senior Surgery may be: SICU or Acting Internship. You are required to do your Senior Surgery or Medicine at one of Howard affiliate hospitals or at university hospital. You also required to do a primary care clerkship which does not include Senior Medicine. After the above and the exams for Senior Medicine and Senior Surgery, you may take away electives. You must take and pass USMLE Step II before you can graduate from Howard University.
Howard has a rich tradition and legacy in medicine. The first open heart surgery was performed by Dr. Daniel Hale Williams at Howard; the first C-Section in the United States was performed at Howard; Dr. Charles Drew operated the first blood bank at Howard University. We have Dr. LaSalle Lefalle who was the first African-American president of the American College of Surgeons and the developer of most of the techniques of anastomoses in Colo-rectal surgery used today. We have Dr. Ernest Myers in ENT who has written the definite textbook on Head and Neck Cancer in use today; we have Dr. Charles Curry who is the American Heart Association's Physician of the Year. We have the premier tissue typing laboratory under the direction of Dr. Georgia Dunston and we have Dr. Clive Callender who is a world-renouned renal transplant surgeon and Dr. Gary Dennis who is the chief of Neurosurgery and holder of several patents for intraventricular pain delivery devices. We have been named in US News & World Report as a top center for Endocrinology and Rheumatology.
Finally Howard has trained most of the African American physicians practicing in the United States today including: Edward Cornwell, III, chief of trauma surgery at Johns Hopkins, R. Sean Benoit, trauma surgeon at Inova Fairfax, LaSalle Lefalle Jr, former president of the American College of Surgeons.
Strong departments at Howard include General Surgery, Cardiology, Emergency Medicine and Infectious Diseases.
Graduates of Howard University typically match at places such as Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, San Francisco General Hospital, UCLA Medical Center, Peter Bent Brigham Hospital, Massachusetts General Hospital, Yale Medical Center as well as Georgetown, GW and Howard.
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FYI, the above poster is a current PGY-II in surgery at UVA and a Howard U SOM alum...oh and she scored 36 on the MCAT. To all current and future Howard U SOM alumns: You ARE following in the footsteps of some very excellent physicians. Be proud and show us that the legacy still continues...😎
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Hi Antwan,
First let me congratulate you on your acceptance. I know you are excited and I wish you well. I am not there yet. I am finishing up at GSU actually and will apply in 2 years. I hail from the College Park area
... Morehouse is actually my first choice as my cousin just finished there and headed to Harvard for her internship. You know some folks just don't know about the HBCUs...there are hidden GEMS in these institutions that don't get the respect they deserve. You will do great at Howard and no doubt will be an excellent physician.Good luck,
Devan
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I am a student at Howard and this 40% African descent is wrong! I'd say it's about 70-80%. But the school is still very diverse and the faculty is even more diverse.
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Interesting medicine2006...I must admit that when I first saw 40% on njbmd's original post I was surprised. I'm not exactly sure how she came up with that number. I think we can agree that the school and faculty are more diverse than most SDNer's realize and that Howard has a rice tradition of graduating some excellent physicians...such as yourself one day🙂 .
Devan
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Thanks Devan. I wish you luck on your pursuit of a medical career. I'm sure you'll do well.
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Path Dr,
I totally agree with you. Since high school, I've gone to predominantly white institutions, and part of my motivation for applying to morehouse, meharry and HU is the fact that I need to experience a positive intellectual minority environment. I'm glad to hear someone else echo my own sentiments!
I look forward to studying in a predominantly AA community. . .do you think that it's okay to express to HU, Morehouse and Meharry?
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how can you be diverse when 80% of the students are the same race? Just curious..
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EDIT: Some posts in this thread make it an absolute disaster area. 👎
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idq1i said:
I just realized that I never did address the original question.
1) I love the motivation of seeing so many AA doctors/medical students.
2) One of the projects I'm interested in is cancer in Sickle Cell Disease and Howard has a Sickle Cell Center.
3) I live in near-by and may not be able to move
4) I'm intrested in a learning environment different from the ones I've already expereinced. And it would be real nice to have a college homecoming to come "home" too 😉
5) Being able to matriculate into a school that can provide a "study click" of people I have things in common with.
That's all I can think of for now. I'll add more later 🙂
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I "borrowed" this from the Allopthic forum. This was posted by HUCM. I hope s/he doesn't mind 🙂
2004 HUCM Matchlist:
Medicine (11)
UMDNJ - NJ
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Eastern Virginia Medical School - VA
Thomas Jefferson University x 2 - PA
Huntington Memorial Hospital, Pasadena - CA
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
MCP-Hahnemann-Drexel - PA
Eisenhower Army Medical Center - GA
St. Luke?s Roosevelt, NYC - NY
Pediatrics (7)
UC Davis - CA
UT ? Houston x 2 - TX
CNMC - DC
CNMC ? Howard - DC
St. Vincent?s, NYC - NY
Med/Peds (1)
UTMB - TX
Family (8)
Montefiore/Einstein x 2 - NY
UCLA, Santa Monica - CA
St. Vincent?s, Jacksonville - FL
UCSF ? Fresno - CA
University of Maryland, Baltimore
Duke University - NC
OB/GYN (13)
University of South Florida
Howard University x 2- DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Baylor - TX
Sinai Hospital, Baltimore, MD
UIC - IL
Pennsylvania Hospital - PA
Synergy Medical, Saginaw, MI
Tripler Army Medical Center - HI
Bayfront Medical, St. Petersburg, FL
St. Louis University - MO
Neurology (1)
Boston Medical Center - MA
Emergency Medicine (4)
Emory University- GA
Brooklyn Hospital Center - NY
Pathology (3)
University of Rochester - NY
University of Alabama, Mobile
Howard University - DC
Gen Surg (13)
Howard University x 4 - DC
Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital - CA
Brooklyn Hospital Center x 2 - NY
Roanoke Memorial Hospital ? Prelim - VA
Graduate Hospital, Philadelphia, PA
Washington Hospital Center ? Prelim - DC
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
PM&R (2)
University of South Florida - FL
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Howard University - DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Georgetown University - DC
Ophthalmology (3)
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Howard University - DC
King/Drew - CA
Otolaryngology (2)
UTMB ? Galveston - TX
OHSU - OR
Orthopedics (3)
Howard University x 2 - DC
Harvard University - MA
Radiology (4)
University of Minnesota
Ohio State University
Harlem Hospital - NY
UTMB - TX
Anesthesia (2)
Penn State Hershey - PA
Univ of Chicago - IL
2004 HUCM Matchlist:
Medicine (11)
UMDNJ - NJ
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Eastern Virginia Medical School - VA
Thomas Jefferson University x 2 - PA
Huntington Memorial Hospital, Pasadena - CA
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
MCP-Hahnemann-Drexel - PA
Eisenhower Army Medical Center - GA
St. Luke?s Roosevelt, NYC - NY
Pediatrics (7)
UC Davis - CA
UT ? Houston x 2 - TX
CNMC - DC
CNMC ? Howard - DC
St. Vincent?s, NYC - NY
Med/Peds (1)
UTMB - TX
Family (8)
Montefiore/Einstein x 2 - NY
UCLA, Santa Monica - CA
St. Vincent?s, Jacksonville - FL
UCSF ? Fresno - CA
University of Maryland, Baltimore
Duke University - NC
OB/GYN (13)
University of South Florida
Howard University x 2- DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Baylor - TX
Sinai Hospital, Baltimore, MD
UIC - IL
Pennsylvania Hospital - PA
Synergy Medical, Saginaw, MI
Tripler Army Medical Center - HI
Bayfront Medical, St. Petersburg, FL
St. Louis University - MO
Neurology (1)
Boston Medical Center - MA
Emergency Medicine (4)
Emory University- GA
Brooklyn Hospital Center - NY
Pathology (3)
University of Rochester - NY
University of Alabama, Mobile
Howard University - DC
Gen Surg (13)
Howard University x 4 - DC
Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital - CA
Brooklyn Hospital Center x 2 - NY
Roanoke Memorial Hospital ? Prelim - VA
Graduate Hospital, Philadelphia, PA
Washington Hospital Center ? Prelim - DC
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
PM&R (2)
University of South Florida - FL
Dermatology (3)
Howard University - DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Georgetown University - DC
Ophthalmology (3)
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Howard University - DC
King/Drew - CA
Otolaryngology (2)
UTMB ? Galveston - TX
OHSU - OR
Orthopedics (3)
Howard University x 2 - DC
Harvard University - MA
Radiology (4)
University of Minnesota
Ohio State University
Harlem Hospital - NY
UTMB - TX
Anesthesia (2)
Penn State Hershey - PA
Univ of Chicago - IL
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2004 HUCM Matchlist:
Medicine (11)
UMDNJ - NJ
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Eastern Virginia Medical School - VA
Thomas Jefferson University x 2 - PA
Huntington Memorial Hospital, Pasadena - CA
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
MCP-Hahnemann-Drexel - PA
Eisenhower Army Medical Center - GA
St. Luke?s Roosevelt, NYC - NY
Pediatrics (7)
UC Davis - CA
UT ? Houston x 2 - TX
CNMC - DC
CNMC ? Howard - DC
St. Vincent?s, NYC - NY
Med/Peds (1)
UTMB - TX
Family (8)
Montefiore/Einstein x 2 - NY
UCLA, Santa Monica - CA
St. Vincent?s, Jacksonville - FL
UCSF ? Fresno - CA
University of Maryland, Baltimore
Duke University - NC
OB/GYN (13)
University of South Florida
Howard University x 2- DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Baylor - TX
Sinai Hospital, Baltimore, MD
UIC - IL
Pennsylvania Hospital - PA
Synergy Medical, Saginaw, MI
Tripler Army Medical Center - HI
Bayfront Medical, St. Petersburg, FL
St. Louis University - MO
Neurology (1)
Boston Medical Center - MA
Emergency Medicine (4)
Emory University- GA
Brooklyn Hospital Center - NY
Pathology (3)
University of Rochester - NY
University of Alabama, Mobile
Howard University - DC
Gen Surg (13)
Howard University x 4 - DC
Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital - CA
Brooklyn Hospital Center x 2 - NY
Roanoke Memorial Hospital ? Prelim - VA
Graduate Hospital, Philadelphia, PA
Washington Hospital Center ? Prelim - DC
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
PM&R (2)
University of South Florida - FL
Dermatology (3)
Howard University - DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Georgetown University - DC
Ophthalmology (3)
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Howard University - DC
King/Drew - CA
Otolaryngology (2)
UTMB ? Galveston - TX
OHSU - OR
Orthopedics (3)
Howard University x 2 - DC
Harvard University - MA
Radiology (4)
University of Minnesota
Ohio State University
Harlem Hospital - NY
UTMB - TX
Anesthesia (2)
Penn State Hershey - PA
Univ of Chicago - IL
The list is dam good and I'm happy to see that Path is in the hizouse!!
Thanks, JMD! Looking forward to the day when one of those resident spots is YOURS!!!! 👍
Medicine (11)
UMDNJ - NJ
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Eastern Virginia Medical School - VA
Thomas Jefferson University x 2 - PA
Huntington Memorial Hospital, Pasadena - CA
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
MCP-Hahnemann-Drexel - PA
Eisenhower Army Medical Center - GA
St. Luke?s Roosevelt, NYC - NY
Pediatrics (7)
UC Davis - CA
UT ? Houston x 2 - TX
CNMC - DC
CNMC ? Howard - DC
St. Vincent?s, NYC - NY
Med/Peds (1)
UTMB - TX
Family (8)
Montefiore/Einstein x 2 - NY
UCLA, Santa Monica - CA
St. Vincent?s, Jacksonville - FL
UCSF ? Fresno - CA
University of Maryland, Baltimore
Duke University - NC
OB/GYN (13)
University of South Florida
Howard University x 2- DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Baylor - TX
Sinai Hospital, Baltimore, MD
UIC - IL
Pennsylvania Hospital - PA
Synergy Medical, Saginaw, MI
Tripler Army Medical Center - HI
Bayfront Medical, St. Petersburg, FL
St. Louis University - MO
Neurology (1)
Boston Medical Center - MA
Emergency Medicine (4)
Emory University- GA
Brooklyn Hospital Center - NY
Pathology (3)
University of Rochester - NY
University of Alabama, Mobile
Howard University - DC
Gen Surg (13)
Howard University x 4 - DC
Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital - CA
Brooklyn Hospital Center x 2 - NY
Roanoke Memorial Hospital ? Prelim - VA
Graduate Hospital, Philadelphia, PA
Washington Hospital Center ? Prelim - DC
Howard University ? Prelim - DC
PM&R (2)
University of South Florida - FL
Dermatology (3)
Howard University - DC
Washington Hospital Center - DC
Georgetown University - DC
Ophthalmology (3)
Case Western Reserve University - OH
Howard University - DC
King/Drew - CA
Otolaryngology (2)
UTMB ? Galveston - TX
OHSU - OR
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Howard University x 2 - DC
Harvard University - MA
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University of Minnesota
Ohio State University
Harlem Hospital - NY
UTMB - TX
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Penn State Hershey - PA
Univ of Chicago - IL
The list is dam good and I'm happy to see that Path is in the hizouse!!
Thanks, JMD! Looking forward to the day when one of those resident spots is YOURS!!!! 👍
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Well said 😎
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The only problem I have with Howard is that their administration office is horrible. I applied last year and got my rejection the following October (ie: a year after applying!!!!!). They've got to get more orgonized! Especially if they want to get a better reputation for their school.
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Yeah, I agree. The office definietly needs more organization. Everyone complains about the rejection letter arriving so late, but they do mention on their secondary that they don't traditionally send out rejection until well after class has started.ocean11 said:
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I am from the DC area (Bowie, in PG country) and I honestly was looking to stay somewhere in the area... VA, NC, MD, DC, NY, PA. For the record, I will state I am Irish, right down to the red hair and piercing green eyes. 😀
I did look into Howard. I could care less if it's predominately black or a historically black school. I cannot fathom some of these attitudes I've seen on here regarding affirmative action that have no merit behind them. Yes, I went to a great high school that was about 60% black, 20% white, 15% asain, 5% in another ethnic catagory. I felt insanely comfortable there, never questioned anything about the race of my classmates (I mean come on, they were all smart people and I finally was able to have intelligent interaction with people who wanted to attend school and college instead of the people at local schools). The admissions to my school's program was purely based on grades and test scores (mini SAT). I love being around all different types of people in that type of an environment--no one was cookie-cutter or even remotely like one another.
Comments like that are really unneccessary. People draw judgements from what they see here. You're a representative of Howard by being a student there--do you really want people to have a bad impression of a school they may already be skeptical of? That comment made you sound very uneducated and ignorant. It's things like that that not only make me wince, but give reasoning to not go to a school--I would not want to be in company with students who have attitudes like that based on something they cannot control (last timee I check, I didn't choose to be born one ethnicity or another). It's *****ic and childish to attempt to limit a historically black school's thread to blacks, and the same for schools that were strictly for whites--you wouldn't like it if you were told to get off a thread that was for a school that once limited it's enrollments to whites. Please think before you post.
That being said... I did have Howard down as a "safety" school, considering the stats of the MCAT and GPAs of the entering class. I already know where I absolutely want to go, and my definition of a "saftey" school is one that has average stats below mine, not a school I consider inferior. I will not be applying until next application cycle, so at that time I was relatively early in my search for schools to apply to. I then was sent an article http://www.ctnow.com/hc-medday1.artjun29.story that did partially sway me away from possibly applying. I do believe that what you learn in medical school is your foundation for your medical career. When 1 in 10 grads are being sued, numerous times the average of other schools, that gets me really worried (especially when I intend to go into obstetrics 😀 ). I have heard of numerous problems with their admissions offices being unresponsive and untimely. That'a big turnoff. I'd be very frustrated in a situation like that, and it's a known headache I can avoid. My biggest concern was Howard's problem with accreditation. If you don't graduate from an accredited school, your medical license isn't good in the US. I know the Carribean may be nice--and Lord knows I desperately need a tan!!--but I want to practice at a US university hospital. If I'm spending a large amount of money to go to medical school, I feel uneasy going to a school that's had sizable accredidation problems in its recent past.
But, I fully agree that you are responsible for your own learning.
Even though you say that Howard thinks whites aren't going to want to sereve minority communities, I don't think their sitting around denying admission to white students who they think won't go serve in minority communities. Is there a box to check stating your intentions of where you want to work? Even in the letter someone cut-and-pasted from their website states that there is no reverse discrimination...
-Liz
I did look into Howard. I could care less if it's predominately black or a historically black school. I cannot fathom some of these attitudes I've seen on here regarding affirmative action that have no merit behind them. Yes, I went to a great high school that was about 60% black, 20% white, 15% asain, 5% in another ethnic catagory. I felt insanely comfortable there, never questioned anything about the race of my classmates (I mean come on, they were all smart people and I finally was able to have intelligent interaction with people who wanted to attend school and college instead of the people at local schools). The admissions to my school's program was purely based on grades and test scores (mini SAT). I love being around all different types of people in that type of an environment--no one was cookie-cutter or even remotely like one another.
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Comments like that are really unneccessary. People draw judgements from what they see here. You're a representative of Howard by being a student there--do you really want people to have a bad impression of a school they may already be skeptical of? That comment made you sound very uneducated and ignorant. It's things like that that not only make me wince, but give reasoning to not go to a school--I would not want to be in company with students who have attitudes like that based on something they cannot control (last timee I check, I didn't choose to be born one ethnicity or another). It's *****ic and childish to attempt to limit a historically black school's thread to blacks, and the same for schools that were strictly for whites--you wouldn't like it if you were told to get off a thread that was for a school that once limited it's enrollments to whites. Please think before you post.
That being said... I did have Howard down as a "safety" school, considering the stats of the MCAT and GPAs of the entering class. I already know where I absolutely want to go, and my definition of a "saftey" school is one that has average stats below mine, not a school I consider inferior. I will not be applying until next application cycle, so at that time I was relatively early in my search for schools to apply to. I then was sent an article http://www.ctnow.com/hc-medday1.artjun29.story that did partially sway me away from possibly applying. I do believe that what you learn in medical school is your foundation for your medical career. When 1 in 10 grads are being sued, numerous times the average of other schools, that gets me really worried (especially when I intend to go into obstetrics 😀 ). I have heard of numerous problems with their admissions offices being unresponsive and untimely. That'a big turnoff. I'd be very frustrated in a situation like that, and it's a known headache I can avoid. My biggest concern was Howard's problem with accreditation. If you don't graduate from an accredited school, your medical license isn't good in the US. I know the Carribean may be nice--and Lord knows I desperately need a tan!!--but I want to practice at a US university hospital. If I'm spending a large amount of money to go to medical school, I feel uneasy going to a school that's had sizable accredidation problems in its recent past.
But, I fully agree that you are responsible for your own learning.
Even though you say that Howard thinks whites aren't going to want to sereve minority communities, I don't think their sitting around denying admission to white students who they think won't go serve in minority communities. Is there a box to check stating your intentions of where you want to work? Even in the letter someone cut-and-pasted from their website states that there is no reverse discrimination...
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Do you have a citation for this number? Assuming you could provide one, I assume it would be from a reputable news reporting agency. I'd imagine a school with this high a number would no longer be operational in the US.
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This is my question: How can there NOT be reverse discrimination if they have a predominantly black school (approx 80%) WHILE the percentage of black AMCAS applicants is approximately 8-15% of the total?!? It is not just 'by chance' that it is predominantly black, it is because the admissions committee wants it to be so. I'm not arguing about this, I realize that many blacks face barriers even at present times. BUT I am going to say that by doing this the ADCOMS ARE discriminating against whites (which are the majority of AMCAS applicants). I find it strange that I didn't get an interview with a 3.55 GPA and 31O MCAT (well above their averages), amazing LOR and lots of EC's AND GUESS WHAT??? I DO want to go into poor areas and practice.
I think that perhaps Howard should screen applicants a little better by ASKING if they want to work in poor or underserviced areas, AND to prove it by previous volunteer work or other extra-curricular activities.
As for loosing accreditation what's that all about?
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I think that perhaps Howard should screen applicants a little better by ASKING if they want to work in poor or underserviced areas, AND to prove it by previous volunteer work or other extra-curricular activities.
As for loosing accreditation what's that all about?
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I edited my numberrs, I got them from that article. I was mistaken, I should have went back and quoted it.
It is regarding 4 schools, Howard being one of them, in which 1 in 10 are sued.
-Liz
It is regarding 4 schools, Howard being one of them, in which 1 in 10 are sued.
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As for loosing accredidation, do a web search. It was pointed out to me by a fellow premed several months back. I believe it was also on the boards as well.
Yes, reverse discrimination does occur--admission to undergrad from the c/o 2003 at my high school showed that insanely well to the point that counselors pointed it out and guidance personal were a it peeved. Very apparent in the ivy league that application cycle. I do have a friend who is a white female, from a poor disadvantaged background who worked at NASA nad contrbuted insanely, extremely intelligent, musical and well-rounded... long story short, perfect instance of someone who's overcome circumstance to be very succesful. Also had a friend who is a black male, parents very affluent, and has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. Good grades, good leader. Take a guess who was rejected from a prestegious ivy, while the the same ivy gave the other kid a merit-based FULL ride (and his parents could easily afford the tuition room and board out of pocket). It doesnt bother me when it's no so blantently apparent. People were highly upset that me with a 3.8+ unweighted, 95 percentile on ACT overall and 99th in math, very acitive in sports and a publication--was rejected when a child with a 3.4, 1100 from a similar background did nothing in high school got the president (or deans, I don't remember) scholarship for FULL TUITION?!?!?
Yeah, it's unfair. Life is that way. It's not going to change in this lifetime,, or just because I whine and complain 😀
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Yes, reverse discrimination does occur--admission to undergrad from the c/o 2003 at my high school showed that insanely well to the point that counselors pointed it out and guidance personal were a it peeved. Very apparent in the ivy league that application cycle. I do have a friend who is a white female, from a poor disadvantaged background who worked at NASA nad contrbuted insanely, extremely intelligent, musical and well-rounded... long story short, perfect instance of someone who's overcome circumstance to be very succesful. Also had a friend who is a black male, parents very affluent, and has had everything handed to him on a silver platter. Good grades, good leader. Take a guess who was rejected from a prestegious ivy, while the the same ivy gave the other kid a merit-based FULL ride (and his parents could easily afford the tuition room and board out of pocket). It doesnt bother me when it's no so blantently apparent. People were highly upset that me with a 3.8+ unweighted, 95 percentile on ACT overall and 99th in math, very acitive in sports and a publication--was rejected when a child with a 3.4, 1100 from a similar background did nothing in high school got the president (or deans, I don't remember) scholarship for FULL TUITION?!?!?
Yeah, it's unfair. Life is that way. It's not going to change in this lifetime,, or just because I whine and complain 😀
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ocean11 said:
Numbers are not everything to the HBC schools. I know of 4.0's that have been rejected to Drew/UCLA, Meharry, and Howard because the applicant did not fit into the schools mission. Just because your numbers are highre than their averages doesn't guarantee you admissions or even an interview, nor should it. I know schools that have small % black students that my numbers where at or above their averages and I didn't even get an interview.
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Ummmm, numbers aren't everything to many other schools as well. That's not a solid enough backing/explaination to her post... I believe what she's talking about it not the whole question of people with high stats being rejected here and there, but the pattern they show. If the school has students with low stats continuosly, and the average several tenths elow the national average... I definately see where she is leading. Sorry for getting inside of your head ocean11, I hope I stated what you were thinking 😉
What we need to gete rid of is that little stupid box where you check off your ethnicity. Ends up basing things solely on your academic record, and everyone gets an equal shot for your accomplishments. And no identifying your race/differences through ECs before an interveiw... if you're the president of the black student association, or the irish fraternal union, you should be listed as the president of a special interest group. Works for me greatly, and I even have many friends who object to checking off the "african american" box on applications... and I dont' blame them. Their response is that it belittles their accomplishments. I definately see where they come from, I want to be judged on what I have done in relation to everyone, not just to a group because I happened to be born with a different skin color or disability or anything else where I deviate from the "norm".
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What we need to gete rid of is that little stupid box where you check off your ethnicity. Ends up basing things solely on your academic record, and everyone gets an equal shot for your accomplishments. And no identifying your race/differences through ECs before an interveiw... if you're the president of the black student association, or the irish fraternal union, you should be listed as the president of a special interest group. Works for me greatly, and I even have many friends who object to checking off the "african american" box on applications... and I dont' blame them. Their response is that it belittles their accomplishments. I definately see where they come from, I want to be judged on what I have done in relation to everyone, not just to a group because I happened to be born with a different skin color or disability or anything else where I deviate from the "norm".
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You may want to try doing a little more research before posting number like these about Howard. I'd be wiling to bet that most of those being sued were from foreign universities.terpgirl said:
As to losing accredatioon, no need for me to look that up either becasue it has since been rectified at Howard. However, since Hopkins and Yale have had a this problem too in the past few years, I think I'm probably in good shape considering schools that had had this issue in the past few years.
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ocean11 said:
Why do you find it strange? Maybe they didn't think your ECs or LORs were amazing. Maybe they passed you over because you were an international student. The point is, you are not entitled to an interview.
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One, I do have my numbers right. I'm sorry if I mispoke, but you pointed it out, and I corrected it. Some people are willing to admit errors and transposing data. It wasn't intentional--get over t.
All I know is that the scholarship was FULL TUITION, either a deans or presidents scholarship, and that people really questioned how they got such accolades when more qualified applicants weren't even waitlisted. At my high school, there is a big bulletin board outside of the guidance office, where you post where you've been accepted and scholarships awarded.
Okay, it's for those without great merit... semi-merit scholarships. Happy?
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All I know is that the scholarship was FULL TUITION, either a deans or presidents scholarship, and that people really questioned how they got such accolades when more qualified applicants weren't even waitlisted. At my high school, there is a big bulletin board outside of the guidance office, where you post where you've been accepted and scholarships awarded.
Okay, it's for those without great merit... semi-merit scholarships. Happy?
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I have no interest in following Yale, but will absolutely stick up for my Hopkins.
The medical school never was going to lose its accredidation... a specific department was going to lose it's accredidation due to a complaint filed regarding the new 80-hour work week. I'm actually glad to hear that people have the guts to do such a thing and not just sweep it under the carpet, as I have heard many residents do (especially when unique and cool cases come in). They not only fixed the error but have a tight grip on enforcing this new regulation--many programs still do not and compeletly blows it all off. Funny, even through the midst of it all, they had the same number--if not more--applicants for that program, and it is still one of the most competative in the nation.
Can we get back to Howard, and have constructive conversation regarding why people apply and do not apply to Howard--not Hopkins, Yale, Maryland or the University of Timbucktwo.
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The medical school never was going to lose its accredidation... a specific department was going to lose it's accredidation due to a complaint filed regarding the new 80-hour work week. I'm actually glad to hear that people have the guts to do such a thing and not just sweep it under the carpet, as I have heard many residents do (especially when unique and cool cases come in). They not only fixed the error but have a tight grip on enforcing this new regulation--many programs still do not and compeletly blows it all off. Funny, even through the midst of it all, they had the same number--if not more--applicants for that program, and it is still one of the most competative in the nation.
Can we get back to Howard, and have constructive conversation regarding why people apply and do not apply to Howard--not Hopkins, Yale, Maryland or the University of Timbucktwo.
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The Ivies only give out need-based aid, no merit, no athletic scholarships. No semi-merit, just in case you were wondering! And hey, if you want to throw out some personal anecdote like it's gospel, make sure it's based on factual information. Your story sounds suspect.terpgirl said:
