Are high school science teachers medical school rejects?

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KnuxNole said:
The person who majors in biology despite hating it is an idiot first of all.

Second, this might be shocking to people, but there are people who prefer to be teachers than spend their life in medicine.

Third, those high school teachers are smarter than YOU as of right now, so respect them elders :)
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lol...
 
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Majoring in Biology doesn't restrict you to a science-related job. I have a couple of friends who work in finance and I-banking that were science majors. They were trained on the job, and the only thing the employers looked for was that they were about to think analytically. Now, they are making more than I ever will as a doctor.
 
My high school bio teacher was one of the smartest people I ever knew. She had the most incredible multitasking skills-- taught multiple high school bio courses each semester, took college level bio courses continually improve her understanding of the topics she taught, coached kids in basketball, raised a family, and was Teacher of the Year in our state.

So no, not every high school bio teacher is a med school reject. Some people--gasp!-- actually want to teach high schoolers.


And by the way, teaching is not so secure a job as you think. My mom's an elementary school teacher, and she says schools, particularly in areas hit hard by the recession, are undergoing budget cuts, not taking on new teachers, and lowering the salary of current ones. If you're teaching something like art or music, you're struggling to hold on to your job at this point.
 
sinombre said:
Solid post.
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Thank you

Agent B said:
As always, you are truly one of the best SDNers of all time. I really appreciate you for having the patience to put up with the poor OP suffering from the Arrogant Premed Syndrome.

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I have not thought about myself in terms of being a "best" on SDN. But I have seen the arrogant high schooler enter college and come home with their tail between their legs more times than I can count. Just last year we had a total jerk graduate, go to a university for one quarter, then drop out because he couldn't handle it. He drives around town in his "cool car" and everyone knows that he is a college drop-out. He has no job, and no life. It is sad. I deal with this kind of kid all day long. Eventually they do grow up. There is hope for the OP... Eventually.

As for "losers (not loosers) go to college." My BS is from a public 4-year college. Do you consider me to be a "looser?" You can talk big on an anonymous forum. Can you back it up in real life? There are a lot of people that started off at a college, and they are doing just fine.
 
dsoz said:
Who let the HS kid into the pre-med forum? Go back to hSDN and troll there.
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I just KNEW you would find this one! :D

Finally, SDN is beginning to entertain me again...
 
Lmao, so much butthurt ITT.

He's 17. Plenty of time to figure the world out.
 
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dudeliness said:
I just KNEW you would find this one! :D

Finally, SDN is beginning to entertain me again...
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Dude! Nice to see you again. It has been a while since we crossed paths. Make sure you let me know when you get into this state so we can meet up again. This time without the stress of an interview the next day. :)

But what do I know... I am just a teacher that couldn't get into medical school... Oh wait, I did get in. Ha ha.

dsoz
 
dsoz said:
Dude! Nice to see you again. It has been a while since we crossed paths. Make sure you let me know when you get into this state so we can meet up again. This time without the stress of an interview the next day. :)

But what do I know... I am just a teacher that couldn't get into medical school... Oh wait, I did get in. Ha ha.

dsoz
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You got it. We pushed our move back to the last week in may right after Memorial Day.
 
Loveless said:
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone wants to be a doctor? There are many life science majors who love research and just want the PhD.
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We all just want the D...
 
I am the Walrus said:
What?

you mean like 20-30k minimum wage lab jobs?
All that money for 50k in debt and 4-5 years of undergrad...
You're better of in a trade =D

LOL are you serious?



That's why I'm majoring in medical laboratory science or nursing =D

Following your passion bad advice imo
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You don't even know what you are talking about kid. When I graduated with my B.S. in biochem, I STARTED at 50k per year, but that's because I had awesome undergrad research experience. It's just like any other other B.S. though. Without the bacherlor's, THEN you are looking at 20k-30k. It's the post-docs in bio that have a PhD and get paid 30k, don't get me started on that though, that is a whole different issue. If you don't do a post-doc or go academic, you are looking at 70k - 100k in industry. I don't know why anybody would go straight academic anymore. It literally is a ponzi scheme.

slow your roll kid
 
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Failure is a universal part of life. When I was seventeen, I hadn't failed at anything in my life, either. By the time I was eighteen, I had dropped out of college due to the sudden onset of a major mental illness.

Intelligence does not protect against failure; wealth and connections offer some protection, but only so far. Wisdom is the product of failing and then learning how to get up again and make a life for yourself after failure, either by pursuing your original dream once again or by adjusting your expectations and seeking happiness elsewhere in life.

I have a lot more admiration for people who fail to gain admission into medical school and build happy, fulfilling careers for themselves in other fields than for people who have never failed at anything in their lives. People who have never failed have never had to prove their grit.
 
I am a biochemistry major, not because it fulfills med school pre-reqs, but because I love biology and chemistry. If I somehow don't get accepted into med school, I would want a career in biochemistry. My pre-med advisor told a lot of other pre-health classmates to major in something that they love, in case they choose not to pursue medicine. Some of my friends are majoring in business, economics, music, and etc because that is their back up plan.

Some of my high school teachers had different professions before teaching elementary/high school students. My high school geography teacher has a PhD but decided to teach high school because it was more meaningful for him than his former job. My economics teacher was a lawyer, but he found that profession that rather mundane and got a job as a teacher. If he had never became a teacher, he would never meet his wife. My 6th grade science teacher was a retired scientist. He decided to diverge from the normal 6th grade science curriculum and that made me more excited about science.
 
MaenadsDance said:
Failure is a universal part of life. When I was seventeen, I hadn't failed at anything in my life, either. By the time I was eighteen, I had dropped out of college due to the sudden onset of a major mental illness.

Intelligence does not protect against failure; wealth and connections offer some protection, but only so far. Wisdom is the product of failing and then learning how to get up again and make a life for yourself after failure, either by pursuing your original dream once again or by adjusting your expectations and seeking happiness elsewhere in life.

I have a lot more admiration for people who fail to gain admission into medical school and build happy, fulfilling careers for themselves in other fields than for people who have never failed at anything in their lives. People who have never failed have never had to prove their grit.
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Man, what you wrote perfectly complements your signature... I just had to say that that was pretty awesome!

I sincerely hope you have a great second round of college... or, er, um, university, if you're into that. :D:D
 
I can't imagine working so hard to get a PhD just to teach 6th grade science
 
Permavirgin said:
I can't imagine working so hard to get a PhD just to teach 6th grade science
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The people that happens to are the people that should have never done it in the first place. If you go into industry you can land a decent job. The idea that you can go into academia is a ponzi scheme though. The whole post-doc thing is even more ridiculous.
 
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sakabato93 said:
Man, what you wrote perfectly complements your signature... I just had to say that that was pretty awesome!

I sincerely hope you have a great second round of college... or, er, um, university, if you're into that. :D:D
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Thank you! I'm doing very well now, though I had a rough few years.
 
E5tmily said:
i had a high school science teacher who graduated from medical school
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SGU or Ross? :smuggrin:
 
Being a teacher isn't THAT bad. Take it from Benjamin Brown, M.D. who wrote the book Informed Consent, saying that some doctors (he uses the example of an internal medicine doc) make only a few dollars more than teachers when you account for time spent training, student loan debt, years worked, hours worked per year and disproportionate income taxes.

Source: http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/informedconsent/
 
tmn5291 said:
I am a biochemistry major, not because it fulfills med school pre-reqs, but because I love biology and chemistry. If I somehow don't get accepted into med school, I would want a career in biochemistry. My pre-med advisor told a lot of other pre-health classmates to major in something that they love, in case they choose not to pursue medicine. Some of my friends are majoring in business, economics, music, and etc because that is their back up plan.

Some of my high school teachers had different professions before teaching elementary/high school students. My high school geography teacher has a PhD but decided to teach high school because it was more meaningful for him than his former job. My economics teacher was a lawyer, but he found that profession that rather mundane and got a job as a teacher. If he had never became a teacher, he would never meet his wife. My 6th grade science teacher was a retired scientist. He decided to diverge from the normal 6th grade science curriculum and that made me more excited about science.
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See, that 6th grade teacher of yours gave up her dream of being a professor. so she had to settle what was best.

6th grade teacher....



"meaningful" is such an excuse imho.
 
red doctober said:
:thumbdown: Considering your current situation, maybe you should hesitate to make these types of jokes.
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That's harsh, man. :thumbdown:

I am the Walrus said:
See, that 6th grade teacher of yours gave up her dream of being a professor. so she had to settle what was best.

6th grade teacher....



"meaningful" is such an excuse imho.
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You're absolutely right. There's no other profession that is meaningful, except for medicine. Everyone who's not in medicine is miserable and fakes happiness; those high school teachers silently weep themselves to sleep every night, bemoaning their fate and envying you as a premed. :laugh:
 
There are probably a lot of teachers who had aspirations to go to medical school. But then again not everybody has the motivation, and desire to be disciplined enough to do it.

I plan on going to med school because I have a passion for medicine. But I also have a tantamount passion for science in general. Nothing would be more rewarding for me than to share that passion with kids who may not know a lot about science, or even like science.

I would be more than content being a teacher, but I also hope to become a physician. If i do, then I certainly hope to teach high school as a science teacher once I retire. Different strokes for different folks.
 
earf said:
Being a teacher isn't THAT bad. Take it from Benjamin Brown, M.D. who wrote the book Informed Consent, saying that some doctors (he uses the example of an internal medicine doc) make only a few dollars more than teachers when you account for time spent training, student loan debt, years worked, hours worked per year and disproportionate income taxes.

Source: http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/informedconsent/
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Lol, I thought we'd all agreed that guy is nuts.

As for OP, I feel really sorry for your teachers. I certainly wouldn't have the patience to teach a willfully ignorant highschooler who assumes that I'm a failure because my aspirations were different than his. I can only assume "university" will serve you a heaping portion of humble pie.
 
This is an incredible blanket statement.
 
The fact that threads like this exist makes me question my sanity. So.much.arrogance.
 
Lol my wife will be a HS science teacher. I assure you that if she wanted to go to med school, she Could. She hates the thought of spending that much time in school. Good thread OP......jk
 
Stopped reading after I noticed the H.SDN member badge.

No thanks jeff :thumbdown:
 
One of the best lessons I figured out in college is that anytime people are involved there are a range of possibilities and some gray area.

Some high school teachers couldn't get into medical school, some loved teaching, some could have went to medical school but didn't want to work that hard so fell back on teaching, some are doctors who decided they didn't want to practice medicine anymore.

I would guess the majority never intended on going to med school and probably would have had a hard time making the cut if they tried. It is absolutely ridiculous to think doctor is every science major's/smart person's dream profession. To Quote Kumar "Just because I'm hung like a moose doesn't mean I need to do porn".
 
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SilverCat said:
That's harsh, man. :thumbdown:



You're absolutely right. There's no other profession that is meaningful, except for medicine. Everyone who's not in medicine is miserable and fakes happiness; those high school teachers silently weep themselves to sleep every night, bemoaning their fate and envying you as a premed. :laugh:
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What's funny is that technically the OP isn't even a pre-med. He/she (I'm guessing he) will learn eventually that high school is easy and many of the good med school candidates probably didn't even have 4.0's in high school because high school was so easy that it wasn't worth the effort. The OP is on pace to be one of the d-bag SDNers in a few years though telling people that you suck if you don't get a 40+ on the MCAT and that no school will take you.
 
Is this how the allo forums feel when premeds post in them?
 
Agent B said:
At least colleges tighten up people well before entering the real world.
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MaenadsDance said:
I have a lot more admiration for people who fail to gain admission into medical school and build happy, fulfilling careers for themselves in other fields than for people who have never failed at anything in their lives. People who have never failed have never had to prove their grit.
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I'm guessing this guy isn't 17. Good post :thumbup:

I am the Walrus said:
See, that 6th grade teacher of yours gave up her dream of being a professor. so she had to settle what was best.

6th grade teacher....



"meaningful" is such an excuse imho.
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If teaching is a fallback position, it's only because it involves dealing with ungrateful turds like you.
 
I am the Walrus said:
college is for loosers

Normal people go to University.
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OP are you a Canadian student? In the US the words "college" and "university" are interchangeable.

Like others have noted, making it to medical school isn't very easy. You're too early in the process to have a superiority complex. I would recommend being less of a douche now, just in case you fail at some point along the way. You will save yourself a lot of hurt feelings later on.
 
This thread is just mean and the OP is being facetious. Not everyone wants to be a doctor, OP, and a lot of science academics can't teach for crap. There are people with really great teaching abilities and they are doing what they love.
 
I think it is trolling us guys....
 
I am the Walrus said:
See, that 6th grade teacher of yours gave up her dream of being a professor. so she had to settle what was best.

6th grade teacher....



"meaningful" is such an excuse imho.
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That 6th grade teacher was one of the best teachers that I had in elementary school. He came out of his retirement from research to teach other little 6th graders like me. The 6th grade science curriculum in California consists of a lot of geology. Instead, he taught about chemistry, electricity, biology, and other various topics. The best part when he talked about different parts of the brain. He also encouraged me to take pre-algebra class at that time (only 8 other 6th graders were in that class with me). In addition, he would have discussions about current and international events and encouraged us to ask about anything that we did not understand. He also made us memorize a lot of Latin and Greek roots because he said that it will help in future, especially for SATs, even though I didn't know what that was. Because of him, middle school and a part of high school was a breeze for me and I learned how to write efficient notes.

So yeah, even though he could have been a professor at some random college, but I know that he loved teaching elementary school kids. Can you find any other 6th grade teacher who was willing to step out of the box and teach you something that is actually useful? There are many out there, but he was the best teacher at my elementary. When my younger brother was in 6th grade, he had another teacher, and he did not learn anything from her. That teacher was not fired, even though a lot of parents complained to the school and district, because of various reasons.
 
tmn5291 said:
That 6th grade teacher was one of the best teachers that I had in elementary school. He came out of his retirement from research to teach other little 6th graders like me. The 6th grade science curriculum in California consists of a lot of geology. Instead, he taught about chemistry, electricity, biology, and other various topics. The best part when he talked about different parts of the brain. He also encouraged me to take pre-algebra class at that time (only 8 other 6th graders were in that class with me). In addition, he would have discussions about current and international events and encouraged us to ask about anything that we did not understand. He also made us memorize a lot of Latin and Greek roots because he said that it will help in future, especially for SATs, even though I didn't know what that was. Because of him, middle school and a part of high school was a breeze for me and I learned how to write efficient notes.

So yeah, even though he could have been a professor at some random college, but I know that he loved teaching elementary school kids. Can you find any other 6th grade teacher who was willing to step out of the box and teach you something that is actually useful? There are many out there, but he was the best teacher at my elementary. When my younger brother was in 6th grade, he had another teacher, and he did not learn anything from her. That teacher was not fired, even though a lot of parents complained to the school and district, because of various reasons.
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I'm glad that he was a good teacher.


but still, there are still a few science teachers who are complete R *****...
 
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