Are the Vietnamese (crazy namers) considered a URM?

[Skoundrel]

Just out of curiousity not trying to start a fight but how can Vietnamese be considered URM compared to Native Americans, Hispanics, and African Americans?

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[camstah]

A guy who was a junior when I was a sophomore was named "Sattaporn Pornapromlikit"

AND he was from Middlesex High School in Bangkok, Thailand.

Everytime i hear the name, I burst out laughing. And it's been like 4 years of Sattaporn jokes.

since this thread has been resurrected, i'll contribute my little tidbit....
my dad actually taught a guy in one of his classes named phuoc yu....so yes, i can give you solid proof, people exist with that name....i saw it written on his test and everything.....
of course, i suppose every language has it's funny names...
like hymen....
or butts.....
what if someone with the last name hymen married someone with the last name butt and chose to hyphenate?

 

[Cerbernator]

Are bananas considered URMs under the new definition?

 

[dara678]

Just out of curiousity not trying to start a fight but how can Vietnamese be considered URM compared to Native Americans, Hispanics, and African Americans?

Well, they aren't ... but I guess the OP was trying to make an argument that there are few Vietnamese in the medical field compared to other Asians ... thing is, if you think of it that way, that every underrepresented ethnicity would qualify under that fact.

Personally, I don't think it should matter what you are as long as you have the grades and the scores. There aren't a lot of students with my ethnicity in the medical field but you don't hear me complaining.

 

[Quynh2007]

ROTFLMAO. Once you go Asian, you never go caucasian? That sounds horrible! Once you go black, you never go back has a ring to it but never go caucasian? What the heck?

While we're on the topic of Asians and caucasians. White guys with asian girls anyone? Hehe. I still subscribe to my theory that you're gonna see lots of asian guys with black girls in the near future. Just wait and see.

unless its about anything other than sex, you might have a theory in hand. alas, females of asians descent tend to have smaller vaglnas than caucasians (on average) who tend to have have smaller vaglnas than blacks (on average) that is why the men are the way they are. so, its easy to see asian women with asians, caucasians, and blacks, but its much harder to see asian men with blacks. unless he is well-endowed. anyways, just remember to all the phrases about asian women and their "tight @$$"

of course, don't quote me, i'm slightly biased.

 

[Jason110]

since this thread has been resurrected, i'll contribute my little tidbit....
my dad actually taught a guy in one of his classes named phuoc yu....so yes, i can give you solid proof, people exist with that name....i saw it written on his test and everything.....
of course, i suppose every language has it's funny names...
like hymen....
or butts.....
what if someone with the last name hymen married someone with the last name butt and chose to hyphenate?

Misty Hyman (for real!!!) was a gold-medal-winning swimmer in the Sydney Olympics games in 2000. I almost laughed everytime Bob Costas mentioned her name. Funny name, amazing swimmer.

 

[calcrew14]

There aren't a lot of students with my ethnicity in the medical field but you don't hear me complaining.

This might be of your interest:

http://www.geocities.com/tpaag2/profiles.htm

 

[JohnHolmes]

You read the thread title--> Are the Vietnamese considered an URM under the AMAC new "definition and regs".

East and South Asians are exceptionally underrepresented in Medicine. Check disadvantaged on your app!!!!

 

[dara678]

This might be of your interest:

http://www.geocities.com/tpaag2/profiles.htm

Neat.

 

[Fumoffu]

I'm embarassed by the people who find it funny that an Asian name sounds like something dirty in English. I'm even more embarassed by the Asian people making fun of their own language in this way.

 

[Quynh2007]

I'm embarassed by the people who find it funny that an Asian name sounds like something dirty in English. I'm even more embarassed by the Asian people making fun of their own language in this way.

why are you embarrassed...only if you were the one being made fun of (which makes me believe so by your use of the word "by")

to you, this is just a bad joke, so i don't understand why you are embarrassed about it. I can see you being disgusted, but embarrassed? hm...(sorry, psychologist in me is working overtime)

 

[stillpremed]

in a related story, any cute viet girls up in this jOIinTT??

 

[Quynh2007]

in a related story, any cute viet girls up in this jOIinTT??

hahaha, this reminds me of this little 25 points to knowing you are asian, and one of the points was going into a chat room and asking " are there any foine ladies here"

 

[Harps]

Yup. It's one of the major categories of stereotypical asians. The other type is the nerdy/socially inept type. I guess between the two, some guys would prefer the first type.

What cracks me up is a lot of the wannabe gangasters are like 5'5" and probably weigh a buck twenty. Sorry but its hard to get intimidated by a guy half my size, regardless of how large the spoiler on their rice rocket is or how much their parents give them for their allowance.

I don't know where you've grown up Alexander...but that kind of attitude in the Valley will get you an nice cap in the ass Some of the most dangerous gangs in and around the Valley (San Joaquine and Sacramento) are Asians....heck, in junior high school, two asian guys (Vietnamese, I think) came to my school and shot two African-American kids in their legs.... Be careful, man....it's pretty crazy around some places...and believe me these kids don't have rich parents.......most of the drug dealers where my cousin goes to school...predominantly Asians....are Asians....

-Harps

 

[ifailedmcat]

East and South Asians are exceptionally underrepresented in Medicine. Check disadvantaged on your app!!!!

Sorry, but can you clarify on East and South Asians?

 

[Blake]

Sorry, but can you clarify on East and South Asians?

I'm not sure, maybe countries like Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Cachemire ( I only know how it's spelled in french, so bear with me ), etc... You know, not the usual China, Korea, Japan and India...

Back to the topic: I don't think vietnamese should be considered as URM, from what I've seen. I know plenty of them in medicine, and I think instead that citizens from the aforementioned asian countries should have an URM status. Just my 2 cents.

 

[calcrew14]

I don't know where you've grown up Alexander...but that kind of attitude in the Valley will get you an nice cap in the ass Some of the most dangerous gangs in and around the Valley (San Joaquine and Sacramento) are Asians....heck, in junior high school, two asian guys (Vietnamese, I think) came to my school and shot two African-American kids in their legs.... Be careful, man....it's pretty crazy around some places...and believe me these kids don't have rich parents.......most of the drug dealers where my cousin goes to school...predominantly Asians....are Asians....

-Harps

You must be talking about Southeast Asian gangs in Vietnamese, Hmongs, Laotians and Cambodian communities. All of them are notorious. Since their first generations fought for the CIA in Vietnam War, they probably have been fed too many heroic battle stories. These young and reckless warriors know that size doesn?t make any difference in a gun battle. That?s why they?d rather proceed to the drive by. But they have not been known to make a visit to college campus that often. There is nothing to gain there. The same applies to medical students and physicians who will never win in any random physical confrontation.

South Asians are those Bengal Tigers and Tigresses from India, aren?t they? East Asian are those who are getting stronger and stronger in the Fifa World Cups and Olympic Games every four years, aren?t they? And we all know whoYao Ming is, right?

 

[shock827]

Phuket is a city on the peninsula.

Would Thai-Americans be considered URM then? There aren't that many Thais around, and less Thai premeds ... I only know of one (besides me).

And thank you to all the people who said that Asians are NOT all the same. Mad props to you!

Thai premed here. Now you know 2

 

[DoctorDoom]

Seems that the fundamental confusion about terms remains; "few" does not equal "underrepresented."

 

[Blake]

Seems that the fundamental confusion about terms remains; "few" does not equal "underrepresented."

So, we should use ratios ? Med population / Total population ?

 

[DoctorDoom]

So, we should use ratios ? Med population / Total population ?

That's what the laws and the specific regulations are based on, and in general I agree with that approach.

 

[Blake]

That's what the laws and the specific regulations are based on, and in general I agree with that approach.

Then why aren't they doing it to give some Asians URMs status ?

 

[oniwindu]

I'm embarassed by the people who find it funny that an Asian name sounds like something dirty in English. I'm even more embarassed by the Asian people making fun of their own language in this way.

I completely agree with Fumoffu. It's really a shame that people here on this forum can't look past the "dirty" meaning in English and be tolerant of differences. Seriously, guys, this lack of maturity is really a shame. In addition, those previous posts making generalizations about women and men of different races are despicable. Don't objectify, it just adds to the wretched system of subconscious racism.

 

[DoctorDoom]

Then why aren't they doing it to give some Asians URMs status ?

Although political clout does play a role, in general, most Asian communities are too small to be broken down to such specific national/cultural categories. How many Cambodians (just as an example) are there in the US? What percentage of medical school students do they represent? To administer a program in this manner with groups of almost negligible percentage of the total national population would be impractical, not to mention ludicrous. Also, do we then begin to assure seats for Herzegovenes? What about Coptic Eqyptians, vs. Arab Egyptians? Talk about balkanization; would regions under dispute like Kashmir, which you mentioned, also qualify? The point of the URM designation is to address significant generalized subpopulations with hugely divergent medical presence, specifically those with institutionalized prejudice documented as being directed against these groups. It is a blunt tool.

Furthermore, medical communities are like any profession; they should largely reflect the population, but it shouldn't be regulated to the extent of having it be a direct reflection of the census. That's hardly the purpose of the regulations.

 

[velo]

Although political clout does play a role, in general, most Asian communities are too small to be broken down to such specific national/cultural categories. How many Cambodians (just as an example) are there in the US? What percentage of medical school students do they represent? To administer a program in this manner with groups of almost negligible percentage of the total national population would be impractical, not to mention ludicrous. Also, do we then begin to assure seats for Herzegovenes? What about Coptic Eqyptians, vs. Arab Egyptians? Talk about balkanization; would regions under dispute like Kashmir, which you mentioned, also qualify? The point of the URM designation is to address significant generalized subpopulations with hugely divergent medical presence, specifically those with institutionalized prejudice documented as being directed against these groups. It is a blunt tool.

Furthermore, medical communities are like any profession; they should largely reflect the population, but it shouldn't be regulated to the extent of having it be a direct reflection of the census. That's hardly the purpose of the regulations.

THANK YOU! great post

 

[Blake]

Ah, I get it. Thanks for enlightening me on the issue