Are Wages Good for Irish interns?

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Leorl mentioned in another post that she wouldn't mind staying in Ireland because the money is good.

I was just wondering - how good are we talking?

For example, does anyone know what the typical intern, resident I, resident II makes etc.? A ballpark?

Plus, isn't the system named different over there? Senior House Doctors or something? How does that work exactly?

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Yeah, we'll have to see how EWTD affects things. Not to mention that the EU at the moment is a lot stronger than USD, and I don't see that reversing in the next couple years. Keep in mind that as you specialize, US physicians/specialists start earning more than their EU counterparts, but in the initial intern/resident stages, they earn more over here.

intern/JHO --> SHO --> registrar --> specialist registrar --> consultant
 
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Staying may be a good idea, but staying for the money is misguided. The problem is that internship and beyond in Ireland won't count for anything when you move back home. You'll still end up working the same amount of time as a low paid resident in the US since you have to start over. Overall, each year you spend in Ireland after graduation is traded salary-wise for a year as an attending in the US. Depending on your specialty it costs you $50,000-250,000 for each year you stay. Sounds crazy to me.
 
Heh, I wouldn't be staying for the money. I think I might like staying in Europe in general...maybe not specifically Ireland, but perhaps. My problem is that I don't exactly know where I want to end up. Right now I say probably the US, in which case I'd do internship/residency there, but I would really like to spend some time in Europe / abroad as well. Unfortunately, the two systems aren't exactly compatible and I'm not sure I'd be ready to go back to the US in 2 years time. What I could do is stay an intern year here and earn a bit of money... and then go back to the US. Yeah, I'd have to repeat probably but it's only a year. But some people do this "extra year" to finish off their USMLE / ECFMG / NBME requirements while earning as well. We'll see. At the moment I have no burning desire to go back home.
 
Do you apply for residency during your final year or after graduation? For US residencies, wouldn't it be expensive flying from Europe 5-10 times? I'm not sure how this process works.
 
Depending on your specialty it costs you $50,000-250,000 for each year you stay.

You'd also have to consider the cost of malpractice insurance in the US.

Arb - You only have to fly back and forth for the interview process. So, yes, getting into residency is expensive (not to mention the cost of the USMLE), but you wouldn't be flying back and forth 5-10 times per year once you are working.
 
Arb, you can do either. Most people will apply during their final year (if they've completed the necessary steps). This could bring in timing issues for those whose academic years don't fit with the match schedule (ie. Australia) and I think timing is a little tight here, but it gets done. Quite a few people will actually stay here for an intern year and then apply for US residency, or apply for it during their intern year. Hopefully you could schedule it so that all your interviews are around the same time or the same block of months so you'd only have to fly over once or twice. Flights could cost a bit depending on your scheduling and locations of the places you're interviewing.
 
tlew12778 said:
You'd also have to consider the cost of malpractice insurance in the US.
1. Malpractice is already subtracted out of any salary survey so that was already accounted for.
2. Malpractice insurance can be very high in Ireland.
Money isn't everything and you might like to stay. On the other hand, there's no question that it costs you a fortune to do so. Lets just not pretend that it's financially beneficial to stay because it definately isn't.


You don't have to fly 5-10 times because you schedule you interviews close together and do them all in 1 or 2 trips. It's not fun, but it's better than making tons of trips.

People stay the extra year either to get a little more experience or more likely to get an extra year to take the Step2 & CSA. I don't know anyone who had passed Step 2 in time for the match who stayed an extra year, but it may happen from time to time.
 
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