No, the death penalty is a terrible deterrent. Also prison guards aren't always good. How could you tell between self defense vs intentional murder? What if the criminal wanting to kill prison guards wants to die?
The first sentence was the point but i was also loosely trying to show prison guards aren't always good
I was a correctional officer and sergeant for 7 years. No they aren’t always good. But not good doesn’t equal should die.
In a pure discussion of ideals and virtues a criminal reform system that condones execution makes things worse for us all. Some people are beyond help and likely as close to material evil as we can get outside of stories and religion. Killing them probably doesn't end it because the source is still there and we did not learn anything about it.
Interestingly, one of my residency interviews was the aPD being fascinated with hearing about prison from me. He asked me basically how many inmates I met who I believed were simply beyond reform. In my 7 years in prison security + 3 years in prison nursing, Among thousands and thousands of state inmates across multiple prisons, i probably met 5 who were what I would consider truly evil.
When you believe there is an intangible soul it is difficult to disagree with life at conception. I'm not so ignorant to not recognize the moral dilemma one must go through on a personal level.
Where I draw my line is why a personal religious struggle must become my personal problem.
I’m not even religious. But ethically I think a unique life is created at conception, worthy of surviving. (Because of this I recognize that some may say then that personhood begins at the end of twinning possibility, but I think that the asterisk there means that it’s just possible 2 unique lives were created.)
They shouldn't be sentenced to death. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished.
as stated previously, I am against the death penalty.
Right of mother to choose always beats the right of fetus to "live". That's the one position i'll always take, force or not
From the outside, yes. I am just asking the mother to take give the fetus some regard and make a thoughtful choice.
How do you punish someone for murder who is already serving life in prison?
By adding another sentence, relocation to different cell/higher security prison with more guards available to restrain
I don’t know about other states, but Florida has prison within the prison. If inmates can’t adapt to prison society and continue to violate prison norms and others rights, they are sentenced in a prison court to differing levels of prison within prison for differing lengths defined by offense.
So your punishment for someone who took another person’s life and who is serving a life sentence and already will never get out of prison is to tell them they’re not going to get out of prison even longer? That’s like saying infinity plus one. I’d love to see you tell the family of the prison guard that your punishment for their mom or dad’s murderer is to “add more time to their sentence.”
It’s not “longer” it’s harder prison. Believe it or not there is still a lot to lose within prison society. Mail, visitation, canteen, TV time, games, rec time, socialization with other inmates, library, church, jobs, training, freedom of movement, etc.
Sure i'll tell them, i have no problems with that. Death penalty is a garbage answer for this. Transfering to max security prison with limited contact is better
Yes as I said above there is in fact other means of punishment in prison besides death.
Lol wow. That is unbelievable that you’d have zero problems telling my kid that you’re not going to do anything about the person who murdered me. That is some next level indifference.
Also, there is a fairly convincing body of evidence that solitary or mostly solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment. So you aren’t okay with killing them, but you’re okay with subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment for life?
Again, in my state because of this, the prison within the prison has rules to mitigate the effects of the varying levels of confinement. Include mental health evals, confinement rec time, etc.
But solitary confinement is argued by many to be cruel and unusual, as it has real and lasting psychiatric and physical sequelae. You’re okay with subjecting someone to cruel and unusual punishment for the rest of their life?
As above
I personally take issue with painting everyone who is pro-life as some sort of abuser of the poor or woman hater. My wife and I are very pro-life, but we would never judge a woman who got an abortion for any reason, nor would we judge anyone who performs them. It’s not man’s job to judge. Even if I think abortion is murder (and I don’t up to a point), I’m not God. I’m not here to condemn anyone.
I know a lot of pro-life people who think this way. Pro-life does not automatically mean anti-choice.
Those people aren’t pro-life, they’re anti-choice.
Pro-life and anti-choice are different. I will admit that many people who claim to be the former are really the latter. But just like not everyone who is pro-choice is pro-abortion, not everyone who is pro-life wants to control women.
Yes thank you. I’ve never phrased it this way because I’ve never heard the term. I am pro life, not anti choice.
What % of pro life is anti choice?
Not sure. The people trying to make this law from the OP obviously.
Right, but how many innocent people being executed is acceptable? Is it better to execute some tolerable amount of innocent people or not execute anyone so that no one innocent is killed?
Zero. Literally none.
“That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer.”
But if we can’t guarantee every person executed is guilty, should we be executing anyone?
Still not. It’s just even worse since we can’t guarantee.
And now you’re back to the original question. If there is nothing to deter people from murdering people in prison because nothing will happen to them, what is to stop them from doing it?
Again, as I said above, there is still much to lose to make prison life much much much worse than just a small functioning society separated from your family.
Wait why isn't assisted dying allowed?
It is in some places. I think it’s ethically good because a person can choice to decrease their own suffering.
No. I think whether fetus is alive or has personhood is irrelevant. Mother's right to choose always beats fetus's right to live
It should be relevant to the mother while making her choice.
I find it interesting that the majority of the ones left debating on this thread are men.
I’m a woman. I was just sleeping, and then not on SDN.
No it doesn't. The problem with the personhood argument is it's used to shame and force the woman to carry the pregnancy to birth when she doesn't want to. That is vile
You can’t take away the personhood from the fetus just to feel better about what you’re doing. That is vile.