arkansas PM&R vs. Detroit medical center

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Hello to all :)

Just wondered if anyone had any information on Wayne State PM&R vs. Arkansas? Any idea which would offer the greatest outpatient and injection exposure? Bottom line, which is the best program between the two? I would appreciate any input.

Thanks :D

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I have a relative that works with the residency programs at UAMS. I was told that the UAMS PMR program was going to have a problem getting reaccredited if the program didn't improve. This was probably a year ago that I was told this. I don't know what has happened since then. Just a heads up.
 
I just interviewed at Wayne State, and from what I could tell, it seems like a good program. I was impressed. It is heavier on the inpatient side, but not in a bad way (unless you are not into inpatient medicine). Additionally, there is great pathology in Detroit. Also, you get 5 electives, so you could easily get more injections that way if you wanted.
 
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Thanks so much for your input, I appreciate it :)
 
coolwoody, very catchy :) thank you as well
 
Yeah I thought the program was great to when I interviewed. Plus they have the pain fellowship (which I have'nt really decided I would want to do or not) but it seems as though one would have an easier in, already being at the program. Outpatient exposure seemed good too, so I thought it was a fair balance.

I hadn't interviewed at Arkansas yet, but am scheduled to. I was just curious if anyone else had any inside information or not on the program, as I have heard they had been on probation, but were now off and had been reaccredited for another 3 yrs.

In general, if a program is put on probabtion, what does that really mean? The program is dismall and needs an overhaul, or just someone didn't pass their boards?

Is the consensus that these programs should be avoided, or does it really matter?
 
They were on probation about 3 years ago secondary to poor performance (<75% pass rate) on the oral boards. This was due to having a larger than usual cohort of FMG's about 5 years ago. Some of them had to go back to their home countries secondary to Visa problems and when they returned 2 years later, could not pass oral boards. There are few FMG's in the program now, and they have hired a new interventional spine guy (Dr. Chimes) from RIC. Overall, the facilities are fabulous and the people are universally nice. Should be a solid program. Their strengths are spine, cancer, and peds. I interviewed there a few weeks ago.

I hope that helps.


Yeah I thought the program was great to when I interviewed. Plus they have the pain fellowship (which I have'nt really decided I would want to do or not) but it seems as though one would have an easier in, already being at the program. Outpatient exposure seemed good too, so I thought it was a fair balance.

I hadn't interviewed at Arkansas yet, but am scheduled to. I was just curious if anyone else had any inside information or not on the program, as I have heard they had been on probation, but were now off and had been reaccredited for another 3 yrs.

In general, if a program is put on probabtion, what does that really mean? The program is dismall and needs an overhaul, or just someone didn't pass their boards?

Is the consensus that these programs should be avoided, or does it really matter?
 
This was due to having a larger than usual cohort of FMG's about 5 years ago. Some of them had to go back to their home countries secondary to Visa problems and when they returned 2 years later, could not pass oral boards.

hey phd2b, let's ease up on the fmg bashing. FMG's are not all "foreign". most are even US citizen who just so happened to go to school outside the US. so please relax (or be more specific) on pushing this negative FMG stigma.
-chris
 
he doesnt appear to be bashing... just stating what he noticed
 
Just stating what the PD told me at the interview (he brought it up; I didn't). I was surprised at this explanation, but accepted it as a reasonable response and went on.

The program has gone out of its way to correct this deficiency by offering some review courses for both the written and oral boards, which satisfied me. Their pass rate is on the rise (it is measured as a rolling 5-year mean). This is a good program.

No offense intended, of course.

hey phd2b, let's ease up on the fmg bashing. FMG's are not all "foreign". most are even US citizen who just so happened to go to school outside the US. so please relax (or be more specific) on pushing this negative FMG stigma.
-chris
 
I cannot comment intelligently on Wayne State to make a comparison. The only comment I will make is that they have a strong reputation in TBI, and the one TBI faculty member I know there is outstanding.

As for Arkansas- I am the current assistant residency program director, and the current head of sports and spine, so I obviously know the program, but I also obviously have biases

My goal with Arkansas is to make sure that everyone who graduates is a complete physiatrist overall, and specifically a complete musculoskeletal physiatrist, including procedural skills

A few specific strengths of the program:
- Spine case conference series- The physiatry department leads a twice monthly series reviewing challenging spine cases, with participation from the physiatrists, spine surgeons, pain anasthesiologists, physical therapists, and occupational therapists. This is one of my favorite parts of the job, and I believe it gives the residents a broad exposure to comprehensive spine management.
- The multidisciplinary spine center has a physiatrist as medical director, and again it is a true multidisciplinary center, with participation from all the parties listed above. The building itself is a very impressive facility (google Jackson T Stephens Spine Center), and the clinic space is under construction and will be complete by the time any applicant starts residency
- I am the first physiatrist hired who performs spine injections, and my residents thus far have been active in peripheral joint and spine injections. My approach, again, is to train complete MSK physicians, so I build the residents up step-wise, and supervise their progression so that do everything independently as they progress, from the history --> exam --> reading x-rays and MRIs --> formulating their independent treatment plans (including writing specific PT and injection scripts) --> performing a detailed and procedure- specific consent --> radiation and needle safety --> needle control --> injection. The residents are getting needle time, but more importantly (IMO) is that by the time they are honing their needle skills, they are trained in appropriate patient selection and safety first
- We have already established team physican coverage for multiple Division I sports, and should be covering endurance sports and adolescent sports medicine clinic within the year
- We are adjacent to perhaps the leading muscle biology center in the world. My partner in the spine clinic is split as a clinician and researcher and works with the muscle research team, which provides unusually strong opportunities for MSK research
- I run the anatomy course. I'm biased, of course, but I think it is an especially good course for residents, since I have a PhD in anatomy, and the class is entirely based on clinical applications. We've had strong positive from the residents
- as part of the anatomy course, we have a distinct module for radiology training, with the goal that residents are able to independently read x-rays and MRIs as part of their clinical assessment. We include procedure-specific imaging and interpretation of flow patterns as part of this curriculum

My goal has been to create the type of msk training that I would want
if I were in residency training. I have been happy with the progress thus far, the residents appear to be pleased as well.

Regarding probation, UAMS is no longer on probation- we are on a 3 year cycle. The previous posters are correct- our only citation from the last visit was low board scores, and reflects on the performance of some of our previous residents, and their performance will take some time to cycle out of the cumultive average. I anticipate that the current crop of residents and all of our future residents will score very well on future board examinations, based on the following:
- the current residents scored above the national average on the SAE
- we completely revamped the board review curriculum, and the current group of residents (who were already scoring above average) have dramatically improved their clinical knowledge base since the new curriculum was instituted

I hope that helps address some of your questions, and I look forward to answering more of your questions when you come to interview
 
Listen, RIM is in Detroit. Neither you nor anybody else outside of Mogadishu would want to live or work there. It is a dangerous, corrupt, broken, shell of a city.

I was born, raised, and did medical training in both metro-Detroit and Detroit proper and have had my car stolen there to boot, I speak from experience.
 
rehab_sports_dr,

Sounds like you have a great curriculum.

What made you change your mind about training your residents to do injections?
 
Listen, RIM is in Detroit. Neither you nor anybody else outside of Mogadishu would want to live or work there. It is a dangerous, corrupt, broken, shell of a city.

I was born, raised, and did medical training in both metro-Detroit and Detroit proper and have had my car stolen there to boot, I speak from experience.

Lol. C'mon.....it's not that bad. I've never got my car broken into or stolen after four years down at Wayne State. And Detroit is really trying; the new MGM casino is sweet, with two pretty good Michael Mina restaurants, if you're ever back in the neighborhood, Ligament.

Casinos, sports, world-class house & trance DJs that roll into town...Detroit has it all! Except a viable economy, of course :laugh:
 
You mouthin' off to me young man!? ;)

Lol. C'mon.....it's not that bad. I've never got my car broken into or stolen after four years down at Wayne State. And Detroit is really trying; the new MGM casino is sweet, with two pretty good Michael Mina restaurants, if you're ever back in the neighborhood, Ligament.

Casinos, sports, world-class house & trance DJs that roll into town...Detroit has it all! Except a viable economy, of course :laugh:
 
rehab_sports_dr,

Sounds like you have a great curriculum.

What made you change your mind about training your residents to do injections?

I think the curriculum is decent- we can do better, but we are getting there

As for training the residents- I've always believed training in injections is important. I've just been concerned about ONLY training residents in injections, and reducing the role of our strengths in MSK and neuro assessment (which I think has been happening, to some extent).
 
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