Asians in medicine

[Alexander99]

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You guys might find this website interesting:

http://www.asian-nation.org/doctors.shtml

I ran into it when I was looking up stats on interracial dating. I noticed it said something about Asian Americans having a tough time getting into top med schools which makes me wonder if they've actually taken a look at the class compositions of top schools (45% white, 45% asian, 10% other). 🙂

 

[Premedtomed]

Dude the article is trying to downplay the successful "Asian American" image. It is true that many have difficulty getting into a top medical school just like others. Those who don't get in a top school feel terrible (I dunno why, I am an Asian American myself, but have seen this kind of stupidity)
How about more Asian Americans getting into media/Politics 😀

 

[Alexander99]

Dude the article is trying to downplay the successful "Asian American" image. It is true that many have difficulty getting into a top medical school just like others. Those who don't get in a top school feel terrible (I dunno why, I am an Asian American myself, but have seen this kind of stupidity)
How about more Asian Americans getting into media/Politics 😀

Asians have the "intelligent" stereotype going. I could see an Asian American president during our lifetime. In breaking away from the White Protestant male trend we've got going, I wonder if we'll have a black president or woman president first.

 

[Premedtomed]

Asians have the "intelligent" stereotype going. I could see an Asian American president during our lifetime. In breaking away from the White Protestant male trend we've got going, I wonder if we'll have a black president or woman president first.

Yeah pretty interesting perspective. Being the pushy, over ambitious India born American that I am , I always try to push my relatives in the direction of Politics and entrepreneurship. I guess it is a good thing 😉
But yeah it pains me to see that an African American has a near impossible chance of becoming a President. I guess it also has to do with the idea of being able to represent the majority -perhaps

 

[Alexander99]

Yeah pretty interesting perspective. Being the pushy, over ambitious India born American that I am , I always try to push my relatives in the direction of Politics and entrepreneurship. I guess it is a good thing 😉
But yeah it pains me to see that an African American has a near impossible chance of becoming a President. I guess it also has to do with the idea of being able to represent the majority -perhaps

What's funny is that in furturistic movies (the only one I can think of right now is "The 5th Element" but I'm sure there are more), the president is always a black guy. Maybe it's because the idea is so far-fetched in people's minds that it gives the illusion that the movie must be set way into the future.

 

[angstrom55]

I personally think that america would be more receptive to a black male president before the first female president is elected (personally as a girl, I'm rooting for the latter to happen first... 😀 )

 

[Alexander99]

I personally think that america would be more receptive to a black male president before the first female president is elected (personally as a girl, I'm rooting for the latter to happen first... 😀 )

Probably has to do with the emotional female stereotype. According to the stereotype, we'd be going to war every month for about 5-7 days but at peace all the other times.

 

[terpgirl]

HAHAHAHA! Just be happy I want to go into medicine and not politics... it's more like everyday I'd be invading another county.

I for one don't like Bush, and I'm not a Republican. BUT, if I got to choose any man to be president, I'd go for Colin Powell. Why? He looks like a president... he would fit the definition to a tee. Extremely distinguished and honorable. When he's in his military uniforms he looks all business--like a man who could run this country (as well as the free world for that matter) and do it very very well. I don't pay attention to politics much, so I don't personally know much about his ability as others here would, but my impression of his work is pretty positive. Plus, presidents are so much of public image... can we finally have a man who is all business and no fluff?!?! 😉

And if you're wondering, I'm an Irish female

-Liz

 

[Alexander99]

HAHAHAHA! Just be happy I want to go into medicine and not politics... it's more like everyday I'd be invading another county.

I for one don't like Bush, and I'm not a Republican. BUT, if I got to choose any man to be president, I'd go for Colin Powell. Why? He looks like a president... he would fit the definition to a tee. Extremely distinguished and honorable. When he's in his military uniforms he looks all business--like a man who could run this country (as well as the free world for that matter) and do it very very well. I don't pay attention to politics much, so I don't personally know much about his ability as others here would, but my impression of his work is pretty positive. Plus, presidents are so much of public image... can we finally have a man who is all business and no fluff?!?! 😉

And if you're wondering, I'm an Irish female

-Liz

Hmm. In this one post alone, you've revealed that you have PMS everyday instead of the usual 5 days a month, you'd choose a president not based on his ability but whether he looks the part, and that you're Irish.

I don't know whether to be fascinated or to run the other way. 😛

 

[Alexander99]

Coincidentally, while on the topic of PMS, for all you MD/PhDs out there, if you come up with a cure for PMS, you deserve the Nobel Prize. Few things in life scare me but a girl that's "on it" is definately on that short list.

 

[TripleDegree]

I second the idea - would much rather see a woman president - would be a refreshing and interesting change

 

[BigBopper]

I personally think that america would be more receptive to a black male president before the first female president is elected (personally as a girl, I'm rooting for the latter to happen first... 😀 )

I think that racism in this country is MUCH greater than sexism. I would be surprised if a black male becomes president before a white female. There are far more white females in positions of power both in the corporate world and political world than black males.

 

[Csv321]

You guys might find this website interesting:

http://www.asian-nation.org/doctors.shtml

I ran into it when I was looking up stats on interracial dating. I noticed it said something about Asian Americans having a tough time getting into top med schools which makes me wonder if they've actually taken a look at the class compositions of top schools (45% white, 45% asian, 10% other). 🙂

I'm Asian and I am slightly worried about it affecting my chances of getting into med school. I don't think it's really harder because I'm Asian but because there are so many more people applying nowadays than there was before and the numbers for accepted applicants keep increasing. There isn't a doubt that there are more Asians in medicine now and I have to make myself stand out more because we are no longer considered a minority so when I'm checking that box on AMCAS that classifies me as being Asian, I feel like I'm essentially checking the box that says I'm "the other white meat..." 🙂

Sorry if that didn't make any sense, it's early...babble babble blah

 

[merle]

Don't worry. We'll make it. It's hard being Asian in America (any minority for that matter), but we can't go back now. Just be proud of yourself (ignore your parents if you have those nagging and paranoid types), and things will work out.

 

[angstrom55]

I'm Asian and I am slightly worried about it affecting my chances of getting into med school. I don't think it's really harder because I'm Asian but because there are so many more people applying nowadays than there was before and the numbers for accepted applicants keep increasing. There isn't a doubt that there are more Asians in medicine now and I have to make myself stand out more because we are no longer considered a minority so when I'm checking that box on AMCAS that classifies me as being Asian, I feel like I'm essentially checking the box that says I'm "the other white meat..." 🙂

Sorry if that didn't make any sense, it's early...babble babble blah

I understand that. Even though we asians are a minority in the country, I never seriously considered myself that when it came to applying for school. I don't think it's really about the ethnicity being a minority as it is more about if your ethnicity is disadvantaged when it comes to applying for school.

 

[Premedtomed]

Don't worry. We'll make it. It's hard being Asian in America (any minority for that matter), but we can't go back now. Just be proud of yourself (ignore your parents if you have those nagging and paranoid types), and things will work out.

No offense, but you talk crap. "Just be proud of yourself" What's up with that? It seems like you keep in mind 24/7 that you are an Asian. Be aggressive and move on.
Also "I'm the other white meat"! What in the world are you talking about? You seem to frustrated, if not, I wouldn't really respect that

 

[merle]

No offense, but you talk crap. "Just be proud of yourself" What's up with that? It seems like you keep in mind 24/7 that you are an Asian. Be aggressive and move on.

Sorry, not everyone was brought up to be aggressive. You apparently were, but many East Asians I know were not. If anything, many of them are a little low on self-esteem. If you didn't grow up in that environment, you probably won't understand.

"Be proud of yourself" is not about being proud of being Asian. It's being proud of who we are as individuals, as whole persons, beyond our ethnic background, beyond the academic and career achievements. It's a message that most us East Asian didn't get from our parents. That's why I pointed it out. No offense to others.

 

[LTbulldogs]

It?s not my intention to offend anyone but most Asians in my opinion seem to have no personality or uniqueness as Asian Americans. They seem so engaged in being #1 and kissing the ass of successful White America that they tend to forget their own culture in sense. I find it fascinating the amount of blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Joyce-Jane-Mary-Betty-Ann named, white men marrying Asians walking around. The nature of their personality is entirely imitative of an already existing American culture. I find it tremendously interesting that a group of people dislike themselves to an extent that they won?t even marry within their own culture.

 

[Premedtomed]

It?s not my intention to offend anyone but most Asians in my opinion seem to have no personality or uniqueness as Asian Americans. They seem so engaged in being #1 and kissing the ass of successful White America that they tend to forget their own culture in sense. I find it fascinating the amount of blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Joyce-Jane-Mary-Betty-Ann named, white men marrying Asians walking around. The nature of their personality is entirely imitative of an already existing American culture. I find it tremendously interesting that a group of people dislike themselves to an extent that they won?t even marry within their own culture.

Pretty terrible. Although, I personally have very little knowledge of this. But I don't think they completely let go of their culture. Depends on how you were raised.
BTW bulldog your lil offensive language makes me assume that your input isn't needed because you don't know enough about Asian Americans. act mature "bulldog" - you wish to be a doctor, don't you?

 

[LTbulldogs]

Might I ask...what is American culture? Please continue to enlighten us with your racist remarks.

Don't get me wrong. I am not at all a racist in any sense of the word. When I said American culture, I meant any American culture. Whether it be White, Black, Hispanic, Italian, Greek, or whatever. It?s my opinion that the groups that I've just mentioned exude a unique core of traits that sets them apart from other American Cultures.

 

[exmike]

It?s not my intention to offend anyone but most Asians in my opinion seem to have no personality or uniqueness as Asian Americans. They seem so engaged in being #1 and kissing the ass of successful White America that they tend to forget their own culture in sense. I find it fascinating the amount of blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Joyce-Jane-Mary-Betty-Ann named, white men marrying Asians walking around. The nature of their personality is entirely imitative of an already existing American culture. I find it tremendously interesting that a group of people dislike themselves to an extent that they won?t even marry within their own culture.

You are either a troll or very ignorant. I hope its the former.

What is "white" culture? What is wrong with adapting to mainstream society? Would you prefer asians and other minorities to stay segregated from mainstream america? Bigot.

 

[LTbulldogs]

You are either a troll or very ignorant. I hope its the former.

What is "white" culture? What is wrong with adapting to mainstream society? Would you prefer asians and other minorities to stay segregated from mainstream america? Bigot.

When I said white culture, I meant all of the White American cultures. Irish, English, whatever. I'm not saying be segregated from mainstream, I'm just saying be original in your core values as Asian-Americans. The majority of X-Americans all have distinguishable character traits that originates their core as X-Americans. I don't see that in the majority Asian Americans. And what's up with the name calling? That hurts.

 

[nina512]

It?s not my intention to offend anyone but most Asians in my opinion seem to have no personality or uniqueness as Asian Americans. They seem so engaged in being #1 and kissing the ass of successful White America that they tend to forget their own culture in sense. I find it fascinating the amount of blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Joyce-Jane-Mary-Betty-Ann named, white men marrying Asians walking around. The nature of their personality is entirely imitative of an already existing American culture. I find it tremendously interesting that a group of people dislike themselves to an extent that they won?t even marry within their own culture.

With that logic, every inter-racial marriage is based on a dislike of one's culture.

LT bulldogs,
Are you mad because asian girls won't give you the time of day?

 

[BigBopper]

When I said white culture, I meant all of the White American cultures. Irish, English, whatever. I'm not saying be segregated from mainstream, I'm just saying be original. The majority of X-Americans all have distinguishable character traits that originates their core as X-Americans. I don't see that in the majority Asian Americans. And what's up with the name calling. That hurts.

Umm I am guessing you live in Louisiana that is why you are making some rather ignorant remarks. There probably aren't a lot of asians around where you live. Go to New York or California and you will realize that Asian Americans have a very distinctive characteristics and traits. There are many Asians Americans who are very into their own culture and hardly even associate outside of other asians. The ones that tend to grow up in the midwest and the South are very "white" because that is all they know.
Yes some marry outside their own culture but that is true for just about every race in America.

 

[jxu66]

Being Asian in western coast or New York is very different from being asian in other part of country (specially in Midwest and deep south). In LA, Asians own most expensive house and own successful businesses. The play field is very even. In other parts of countries, most asians still are perceived "good technical person but do not speak well". I have quite a few Asian American friends from California. They have difficult to adjust stereotype even in city like Dallas.

 

[exmike]

The majority of X-Americans all have distinguishable character traits that originates their core as X-Americans. I don't see that in the majority Asian Americans.

Your circle of asian-americans must be quite small then.

 

[Csv321]

No offense, but you talk crap. "Just be proud of yourself" What's up with that? It seems like you keep in mind 24/7 that you are an Asian. Be aggressive and move on.
Also "I'm the other white meat"! What in the world are you talking about? You seem to frustrated, if not, I wouldn't really respect that

It was just a joke...My friend refers to me as that. He's white and is applying to med schools this summer too but he thinks it would be easier if he was a minority...especially since he wants to go to a UC in Cali. He's a non-traditional applicant though so he's got experience and age behind him so he always looks at me and calls me the other white meat (AS A JOKE 🙂 ) because of the competition in California med schools and reminds me that I need to have something that makes me stand out from other applicants. Don't take it personal...I didn't mean to offend anyone 🙁

 

[Newquagmire]

When I said white culture, I meant all of the White American cultures. Irish, English, whatever. I'm not saying be segregated from mainstream, I'm just saying be original in your core values as Asian-Americans. The majority of X-Americans all have distinguishable character traits that originates their core as X-Americans. I don't see that in the majority Asian Americans. And what's up with the name calling? That hurts.

What part of White|Irish|English Americans would you say is their distinct cultural heritage? What are you defining as the general "core values" of all "Asian-Americans?" What are you defining as an Asian American to begin with?

They seem so engaged in being #1 and kissing the ass of successful White America that they tend to forget their own culture in sense

From your comments, I'm assuming you're not of the "white culture," which apparently is homogenously "successful" (by whatever "core value" standards you are using to evaluate success). Why do you want to be a doc, LTbulldogs? Is it, in part, because you want to kiss the ass of successful white america?

Do you exclusively date people of your own race? Why? How is that any more logical than anything else (especially considering that AAs are something like ~5% of the American population whereas white|irish|english|"other" is the remaining 95%)?

I'm not offended, and I can see where you may be coming from, but I'm confused at how you arrived at these conclusions.

 

[Premedtomed]

Don't get me wrong. I am not at all a racist in any sense of the word. When I said American culture, I meant any American culture. Whether it be White, Black, Hispanic, Italian, Greek, or whatever. It?s my opinion that the groups that I've just mentioned exude a unique core of traits that sets them apart from other American Cultures.

You f***** idiot what makes you think that Asian Americans don't mantain their culture. I am assuming that you are some ******* who has never had any Asian American friends. What do you know about Indian Americans, Chinese Americans and so on.? Serioulsy ou are one of those *****s who likes to pick on minorities because they are "more" visible. Have you heard of Asian American entrepreneurs, successful doctors. Just because whites happen to be a majority, you think everyone's after that.
You are an idiot I don't wish to despise you anymore "dog"

 

[coffeeluver]

When I said white culture, I meant all of the White American cultures. Irish, English, whatever.

If you're lumping Irish and English cultures together as white culture, then according to you, these cultures don't have any "distinct" cultures of their own as well.

Just admit it, you're a closet bigot/racist who will only mention these things on an anonymous messageboard. Either that, or you're from the south and don't know any better.

 

[Sirius Black]

I find it tremendously interesting that a group of people dislike themselves to an extent that they won?t even marry within their own culture.

What kind of sophomoric assumption is that? Has it ever occurred to you that asians are completely satisfied with their culture, and many white Americans who have no culture of their own (aside from consumer culture) want a piece of theirs? You see it all over the place; asian is in. We are taking over, there is no point in fighting.

 

[DMO]

Being an Asian in Boise, ID (it's as if I am the only Asian there 😀), I do get treated with the stereotype of being smart, intelligent, hardworking, and submissive (although I find it shocking that I fit that mold very well). Yes, I have been pushed by my parents to do well academically. But, I was not pushed into medicine (or the persuit of medicine). My parents actually wanted me to be a Catholic priest! I am quiet and that stems from the fact that I was brought up to be "respectful". That meant I would speak whenever spoken to (in an academic enviroment) and many other stereotypical idiosyncracies.

I only wish to provide perspective, not get shot at. <Buys everyone a drink>

I would also like to hear from the perspective of other Asian SDNers. 😀 bottoms up!

 

[angstrom55]

It?s not my intention to offend anyone but most Asians in my opinion seem to have no personality or uniqueness as Asian Americans. They seem so engaged in being #1 and kissing the ass of successful White America that they tend to forget their own culture in sense. I find it fascinating the amount of blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Joyce-Jane-Mary-Betty-Ann named, white men marrying Asians walking around. The nature of their personality is entirely imitative of an already existing American culture. I find it tremendously interesting that a group of people dislike themselves to an extent that they won?t even marry within their own culture.

Oh dear gosh! You must have limited exposure to Asians then. If you ever said that in Southern Cali, people would chase you down the street! I can definately tell you that asian cultures from Vietnamese to Chinese to Korean is very much alive and well! I'm Vietnamese and born here in Cali and my parents raised me to respect my culture and traditions. Granted there are certain things that conflict between my culture and what is prevalent in society, but that never made me turn my back on what my parents instilled in me.

To say that we don't like ourselves to the point where we won't marry into our own culture!? That is a load of BS!! What corner of the world do you live in. If that were the case, all my 20+ cousins wouldn't have married into Vietnamese families then, huh? As an Asian, it hurts that someone would say that all asians strive to be "white", when in actuality, most of us just want to live the american dream like everyone else and make a decent living for themselves and their children.

 

[angstrom55]

Being an Asian in Boise, ID (it's as if I am the only Asian there 😀), I do get treated with the stereotype of being smart, intelligent, hardworking, and submissive (although I find it shocking that I fit that mold very well). Yes, I have been pushed by my parents to do well academically. But, I was not pushed into medicine (or the persuit of medicine). My parents actually wanted me to be a Catholic priest! I am quiet and that stems from the fact that I was brought up to be "respectful". That meant I would speak whenever spoken to (in an academic enviroment) and many other stereotypical idiosyncracies.

I only wish to provide perspective, not get shot at. <Buys everyone a drink>

I would also like to hear from the perspective of other Asian SDNers. 😀 bottoms up!

I believe most parents who immigrated to the US definately push their children to do academically well. That was how it was for my parents. I can also totally relate to being taught to be "respectful" and not speaking until being spoken to. 😀

 

[merle]

LTBulldog does point to a certain truth, even though he might be otherwise ignorant of the diversity among Asians. This is probably somewhat off-topic, but some of you might be interested in this article

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030314-091022-8657r

Interracial marriage gender gap grows
By Steve Sailer
UPI National Correspondent
Published 3/14/2003 12:45 PM

LOS ANGELES, March 14 (UPI) -- Newly released data from the 2000 Census show that the interracial marriage "gender gap" endured by black women and Asian men may have worsened since 1990. [....]

The Census Bureau confirmed black women's complaints that white women were more likely to marry black men than white men were to marry black women. African-American men had white wives 2.65 times more often than black women had white husbands. In other words, in 73 percent of black-white couples, the husband was black.

(This interracial gender gap is even sharper among black-white couples who cohabit without being married. Five times as many black men live with white women as white men live with black women.)

Although some commentators had predicted that this intermarriage disparity should be evening out, this 2.65 ratio actually was up slightly from 2.54 ratio in 1990. (The invention of the "multiracial" category in 2000 makes direct comparisons across time somewhat tricky, however.)

To keep things simple, all these ratios are for non-multiracial and non-Hispanic individuals.

Like most guys, Asian-American men are fairly reticent about admitting any frustrations in the mating game. But the news for them was even worse. Asian women had white husbands 3.08 times more often than Asian men had white wives. That means just over 75 percent of white-Asian couples featured a white husband and Asian wife.

That 3.08 ratio is up from 2.54 times in 1990. Oddly enough, the 1990 ratios for black-white and white-Asian marriages were mirror images of each other.

(In 2000, the white-Asian inequality was somewhat less severe among unmarried partners: 2.09 times as many white men cohabited with Asian women as Asian men cohabited with white women.)

The inevitable flip side of the lack of interracial marital opportunities felt by black women and Asian men is that black men and Asian women find themselves more in demand as spouses. [....]

 

[Newquagmire]

LTBulldog does point to a certain truth, even though he might be otherwise ignorant of the diversity among Asians. This is probably somewhat off-topic, but some of you might be interested in this article

maybe that has to do with the "white culture" of imperialism and exotic oriental rugs.

note: i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with interracial marriage.

 

[Premedtomed]

maybe that has to do with the "white culture" of imperialism and exotic oriental rugs.

Chill dude 😉
A guy like me has been patronized by both Asian and White chicks
(burps)

 

[Newquagmire]

Chill dude 😉
A guy like me has been patronized by both Asian and White chicks
(burps)

see disclaimer.

the second sentence does not make sense: work on those PS skills.

 

[jlee9531]

i should have known not to come into this thread....
the ignorance astounds me...
and i promised i would not get mad on sundays...🙁

 

[banannamilk]

Hey jlee,

I agree with you. Inspite of all the wonderful SDNers who tried to bring some sense/logic into those "ignorant" SNDers... this thread is still painfully sad and frustrating to read.

Why was this thread started in the first place? To say that asians are whiners? 🙁

I'm so grateful for having found this website -- I've learned so much about the application process, and made some wonderful friends... but I'm also so disturbed to see so many of these asians-in-medicine type of threads...
painfully ignorant things that some non-asians post shocks me, and equally ignorant and stereotypically ******* things that some asians blurt out makes me wonder, wtf 🙁

 

[DMO]

I would just like to add that some stereotypes have some truth to them and others do not. Sometimes stereotypes come from a totally wrong perspective. Sometimes a few people project an image that is later misunderstood as a label for the whole group. Stereotypes are rarley true; however, some stereotypes do have a hint of truth. Maybe the Stereotypical Asian image does have a hint of truth. I know many Asians who are hard-core academic achievers. It is those people who -perhaps- perpetuate that image.

I don't know what i am even talking about. <Passionatley gazes into the Congac bottle as he puts on a seductive dance> 🙂

 

[missbonnie]

I would just like to add that some stereotypes have some truth to them and others do not. Sometimes stereotypes come from a totally wrong perspective. Sometimes a few people project an image that is later misunderstood as a label for the whole group. Stereotypes are rarley true; however, some stereotypes do have a hint of truth. Maybe the Stereotypical Asian image does have a hint of truth. I know many Asians who are hard-core academic achievers. It is those people who -perhaps- perpetuate that image.

I don't know what i am even talking about. <Passionatley gazes into the Congac bottle as he puts on a seductive dance> 🙂

Well, I do see where you are coming from. Unfortunately or fortunately, most of the asians you see the in the US are here cuz their parents worked their ass to be here and make a living here and in turn push their kids to do well --- i.e. a VERY small slice of the billions of asians in this world currently.

But if you go to any asian country, you will see the whole gamut from lazy/******ed/slacker/homeless to the uber-intelligent/hard working type ... hmm just like what you see in the US!

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