Originally posted by kobe8:
•The fact that many schools consider MPH programs as a soft science should be somewhat of a deterent. •
i should clarify my post: *physicians* i spoke to (who are not on adcoms) told me that epidemiology is considered a soft science. but not a single adcom i spoke to said that it was the wrong route, and in fact i was told that a public health degree would make me all the more marketable as a physician and it certainly was a way to make my app more competitive. one adcom actually advised me *against* pursuing an MS. and remember that many med school programs also require epidemiology/biostatistics courses in addition to hard sciences. so to state that *many* adcoms view epidemiology (not MPH) as a soft science is to generalize on too broad a scale, and it is not the way i worded my post.
i really think you missed the point of my post. the point is, it is really somewhat of a bad idea to pursue a grad degree for the *sole* purpose of getting into med school, because no grad school program, regardless of its affiliations, is any kind of guarantee of acceptance to med school. and if you ultimately don't get in, what do you have? a degree that really doesn't pull as much weight as you might believe, *especially* since kareniw already stated her lack of interest in biotech or research, which is really all you can directly do with an MS. an MPH has more of a practicality aspect in that it will prepare you for a different health career should one not be able to get into med school.
besides, how does the fact that some (not all) adcoms may prefer an MS suddenly make my MPH not worthwhile and 'defeat the purpose of entering grad school'? as i mentioned in my earlier post, i find the background i'm getting in public health to be extremely valuable and i have never, at any point, viewed grad school solely as a way to get myself into med school. if anything, such a narrow-minded view of an educational opportunity is what defeats the purpose of grad school, in my opinion. i've appreciated the chance i've had to broaden my education in an area in which i'm extremely interested, and that alone is worth it to me.
i am not sure if you were addressing your research comments to me, but i would certainly agree with you that research has its place in medicine and i never stated the contrary. in fact i've worked in a basic research lab the entire time i've been working on my MPH.
i am not trying to argue that an MPH is unequivocally better than an MS--there are limitations to each, and i was simply trying to highlight the advantages of an MPH. it's up to kareniw what approach she takes, and i was just trying to provide some feedback from an MPHer's perspective. BOTH an MS and MPH have their strongpoints in medical school admissions and, believe it or not, have their own ways of making one a stronger medical student.
algae, an MPH is more of a professional degree (like an MBA) than a research degree (like an MS), so, at least at my school, no thesis is required per se. i am required to complete an research internship and to make a presentation/write a paper on an epidemiological research project that i'm currently working on (as my degree is in epidemiology), so it is roughly the equivalent of research and a thesis but not as extensive.