Bernie Sanders announces he is running for President

[Onewhen]

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[GassmanMD]

Too bad AOC isn't old enough to be his running mate. That combo would be unstoppable.

 

[pgg]

Too bad AOC isn't old enough to be his running mate. That combo would be unstoppable.

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[deleted171991]

Too bad AOC isn't old enough to be his running mate. That combo would be unstoppable.

That combo, or just Bernie solo, will get Trump reelected.

The stupidest thing the Democrats could do would be to nominate a socialist as their candidate. Just look at the idiocy with Amazon in NYC. (They could have had 15.000 more jobs, for giving up some future taxes; instead, now they have no jobs and no taxes, but they "have shown Amazon" that they are so envious and dumb they can't even recognize their own interests.)

 

[d9sccr]

That combo, or just Bernie solo, will get Trump reelected.

The stupidest thing the Democrats could do would be to nominate a socialist as their candidate. Just look at the idiocy with Amazon in NYC. (They could have had 15.000 more jobs, for giving up some future taxes; instead, now they have no jobs and no taxes, but they "have shown Amazon" that they are so envious and dumb they can't even recognize their own interests.)

All the current candidates will likely get Trump a second term. All of them are running on some sort of socialist platform and that's before the gloves have even come off. The current Democratic base, or at least the outspoken portion, isn't going to be happy with a moderate -- doesn't bode well for the country IMO

 

[deleted171991]

I am afraid we will get what some people tend to call a "nazi" leadership (Congress, Supreme Court, Presidency). Nationalists on one side, socialists on the other.

No moderates, no centrists, no bipartisans, no people with common sense.

 

[2Fast2Des]

If only he didn’t look like he should be in a nursing home... way too old now, he’s had his run. I applaud his passion but god damn is he going to live long enough in office with all his mental faculties intact?

At the end of the day, Trump is going to get re-elected in record numbers, Trump could execute a baby on air and Mitch/Graham/Fox/MAGAs will grovel to defend him, Mueller probe will never see the light of day, Trump and friends will all get pardons if it does, we will all end up getting screwed anyway. Let’s just cut to the chase lol

 

[deleted171991]

If age and mental faculties are an issue, we should all remember Ronald Reagan (who had signs of dementia while president), and never vote another person above 65 into office.

Or we could just watch the news.

 

[nimbus]

I am afraid we will get what some people tend to call a "nazi" leadership (Congress, Supreme Court, Presidency). Nationalists on one side, socialists on the other.

No moderates, no centrists, no bipartisans, no people with common sense.

Yes the extremists control the primaries.

 

[pgg]

If age and mental faculties are an issue, we should all remember Ronald Reagan (who had signs of dementia while president), and never vote another person above 65 into office.

Or we could just watch the news.

Maybe physicians over 65 shouldn't practice either? Or maybe just the ones who do MOCA.

If anything I would think people running for public office would be subject to enough scrutiny that voters could determine if their state of mind was good enough or not.

 

[vector2]

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TBF, Bernie just raised 4 mil in one day, compared to I think 1.5 since Harris announced. I dont think hes going to be the nominee since winning Cali is going to be a huge hurdle, but a hypothetical bernie nominee has a strong shot at trump esp if the economy weakens, GOP in Congress sours on him if Senate 2020 polling looks bad, and/or anything actually damning comes out of Mueller, SDNY.

 

[AdmiralChz]

Unless Biden throws his hat in, it’s a race between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. The former is pretty hard to take seriously with her doubling-down of her non-existent Native American heritage. In the primaries they will all butcher each other which may erode overall support for the democratic nominee. Booker and Harris are TV hogs with not much substance or following, for now. Physicians probably don’t want a Warren or Sanders presidency, it will be a HARD correction left every bit as rough as the pivot to the right if not worse.

I always wondered if Trump would simply choose to not run again, mostly out of frustration to not being able to steer the country quite as hard as he feels it needs to be. There’s not really anyone in the GOP who would even seriously consider challenging Trump, which is unfortunate.

 

[vector2]

Unless Biden throws his hat in, it’s a race between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. The former is pretty hard to take seriously with her doubling-down of her non-existent Native American heritage. In the primaries they will all butcher each other which may erode overall support for the democratic nominee. Booker and Harris are TV hogs with not much substance or following, for now. Physicians probably don’t want a Warren or Sanders presidency, it will be a HARD correction left every bit as rough as the pivot to the right if not worse.

I always wondered if Trump would simply choose to not run again, mostly out of frustration to not being able to steer the country quite as hard as he feels it needs to be. There’s not really anyone in the GOP who would even seriously consider challenging Trump, which is unfortunate.

Warren's polling is currently garbage and the enthusiasm (or lack thereof) for her is reflected by how little money she's raised. She's got zero political charisma and is better suited for wonky policy work in a legislative body. My money is on Harris (or maybe Biden if he enters). But of course that should be taken with a grain of salt since nominee picks at this stage are usually universally wrong by the time primary season is over .

 

[pgg]

TBF, Bernie just raised 4 mil in one day, compared to I think 1.5 since Harris announced. I dont think hes going to be the nominee since winning Cali is going to be a huge hurdle, but a hypothetical bernie nominee has a strong shot at trump esp if the economy weakens, GOP in Congress sours on him if Senate 2020 polling looks bad, and/or anything actually damning comes out of Mueller, SDNY.

If 2016 taught me anything, it's that I'm a terrible prognosticator. But I wouldn't be surprised if Harris made a solid run.

She has some baggage that will be harmful during a campaign but they've been grooming her for this for the better part of a decade now. Even though they expected her to have more prep time during an 8 year Clinton term, and 2020 is therefore a little ahead of their original grand scheme, I think the party apparatus will get behind her. They obviously don't want Sanders, and a Warren nominee would be Trump's best bet for re-election. Who else is there? Booker? I don't see Biden running. Klobuchar or Gillebrand or Gabbard?

 

[GravelRider]

That combo, or just Bernie solo, will get Trump reelected.

The stupidest thing the Democrats could do would be to nominate a socialist as their candidate. Just look at the idiocy with Amazon in NYC. (They could have had 15.000 more jobs, for giving up some future taxes; instead, now they have no jobs and no taxes, but they "have shown Amazon" that they are so envious and dumb they can't even recognize their own interests.)

Not to derail the thread, but I don’t think the Amazon/NYC was some sort of socialist uprising. There’s probably more to the story. Look at Foxconn in Wisconsin as a good recent example of how corporate welfare doesn’t always work out for the best. There are plenty of other examples as well. These deals are often better for the politicians that broker them than the actual communities themselves. Amazon may have been good for NYC, but it may have been a disaster as well. The critics were right to be skeptical and at least question the legitimacy of the deal. Amazon should have been prepared for the scrutiny, but instead they put on this dog and pony show that reminded me of Lebron’s “The Decision” a decade ago. Both were poorly thought out public relations failures. That area of NYC has seen incredible amounts of organic economic growth (with the associated skyrocketing rents) in recent years without the need to lure in a large corporation. The people there have every right to question the value of a potentially large new neighbor. Amazon just couldn’t stand up to the scrutiny, so that likely is a win for NYC.

Now there is a discussion to be made for how New York and other high tax states should re-evaluate their tax structure across the board and give both big businesses and small businesses a break...not just the ones that make the headlines for the politicians.

 

[nimbus]

Maybe physicians over 65 shouldn't practice either? Or maybe just the ones who do MOCA.

If anything I would think people running for public office would be subject to enough scrutiny that voters could determine if their state of mind was good enough or not.

Apparently not.

 

[jw3600]

It’s like the ****ing dumbocrats want Trump re-elected.

I’ll have one bland 50 year old white male Democrat please.

Will reassess country and future presidents in 2024.

 

[DM27]

I was not a fan of amazon in NYC and I am glad it is not happening. I didn't really care about jobs or tax breaks etc, it was more about taking an already overloaded and overpriced city with some portions of its vital infrastructure on life support and just cramming in a major company that would be producing >10,000 jobs with average salaries ~150,000. It would have been a disaster. I also think LIC is a pile so I take some sick pleasure in seeing their real estate market speculators get a nice sucker punch.

Regarding the original guessing game topic, my assumption is that Harris ultimately gets the nomination as well. I have no issues with Bernie but I think he is ultimately a candidate who will not get the nomination, and will ultimately weaken whoever does.

 

[nimbus]

It’s like the ****ing dumbocrats want Trump re-elected.

I’ll have one bland 50 year old white male Democrat please.

Will reassess country and future presidents in 2024.

Sherrod Brown, except he’s in his 60s.

 

[jw3600]

Sherrod Brown, except he’s in his 60s.

I'll allow it!

 

[d9sccr]

I am afraid we will get what some people tend to call a "nazi" leadership (Congress, Supreme Court, Presidency). Nationalists on one side, socialists on the other.

No moderates, no centrists, no bipartisans, no people with common sense.

I think there's still some hope, but the Democrat win last November hurt more than helped. If they had been wiped in both 2018 and then in 2020, maybe they'd take a minute to consider all craziness the party is currently projecting. Maybe another loss to Trump is enough to do it? I don't really see a good way forward for the Republicans at this point. They've largely been the party of "we're not Clinton, Obama, and now socialism" for the past 20 years. When in power, they've not done much of anything but cut taxes. Trump had a chance to fix healthcare with majorities across the board and the Republican grand plan was Obamacare 2.0.

I think Harris has to be be considered the Dem front runner at the moment. Substance isn't really important, especially to win the primary. I do think Trump will tear her apart though - from sleeping her way into political office (Willie Brown interview) to the medicare for all thing she walked back in 24 hours to the Smollett-lynching gaffe she just had.....and she declared a month ago?

More and more I feel like South Park got it right. Every election is between a douche and a turd

 

[GravelRider]

I’m waiting for Kanye to declare...though I may have to wait for 2024 for that one.

 

[Shufflin]

I'd vote for the Bern if he weren't a fanatic socialist. Socialism is anti-American IMO.

 

[anbuitachi]

I was not a fan of amazon in NYC and I am glad it is not happening. I didn't really care about jobs or tax breaks etc, it was more about taking an already overloaded and overpriced city with some portions of its vital infrastructure on life support and just cramming in a major company that would be producing >10,000 jobs with average salaries ~150,000. It would have been a disaster. I also think LIC is a pile so I take some sick pleasure in seeing their real estate market speculators get a nice sucker punch.

Regarding the original guessing game topic, my assumption is that Harris ultimately gets the nomination as well. I have no issues with Bernie but I think he is ultimately a candidate who will not get the nomination, and will ultimately weaken whoever does.

agreed. it would have drastically raised costs in queens/manhattan. there are already enough rich people in NYC as it is. poorer people are just being pushed further and further away. the jobs they will help stimulate outside of amazon wont be enough for people to buy houses/improve lifestyle for their family or even close to it. even less desireable areas are having 1 BRs cost 500k ++.

 

[DM27]

Yeah, NYC was pretty much the last area that needed something like that. It would've been better off in a city that is either in need of some revitalizing or an under performing middle-sized city.

 

[LadyHalcyon]

I am afraid we will get what some people tend to call a "nazi" leadership (Congress, Supreme Court, Presidency). Nationalists on one side, socialists on the other.

No moderates, no centrists, no bipartisans, no people with common sense.

I think news and social media have helped construct this narrative, when if fact moderates outnumber nationalists and socialists. #regressiontothemean

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I am not a fan of Trump but will take his fairly transparent approach over others. Although Bernie is pretty transparent about his approach and plan. And I love a good underdog, but being pretty lazy, unreliable and living off the system for the first 40 years of life is not exactly someone that I want leading our nation.

 

[bronx43]

I'd vote for the Bern if he weren't a fanatic socialist. Socialism is anti-American IMO.

That's like saying you'd vote for Trump if he wasn't a border wall loving, anti-China populist.
One doesn't come without the other.

 

[Shufflin]

That's like saying you'd vote for Trump if he wasn't a border wall loving, anti-China populist.
One doesn't come without the other.

Yep, I was being tongue-in-cheek.

 

[medschoolzombie]

I am not a fan of Trump but will take his fairly transparent approach over others. Although Bernie is pretty transparent about his approach and plan. And I love a good underdog, but being pretty lazy, unreliable and living off the system for the first 40 years of life is not exactly someone that I want leading our nation.

What approach is that lol? Trump has no plan, like ever. My issue with Bernie is that he has a lot of ideas, but little to no details on how they're gonna happen, how it's gonna get paid for etc. A lot of it just boils down to ''tax the rich at x%. That'll pay for everything'' which won't work

Unless Biden throws his hat in, it’s a race between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. The former is pretty hard to take seriously with her doubling-down of her non-existent Native American heritage. In the primaries they will all butcher each other which may erode overall support for the democratic nominee. Booker and Harris are TV hogs with not much substance or following, for now. Physicians probably don’t want a Warren or Sanders presidency, it will be a HARD correction left every bit as rough as the pivot to the right if not worse.

I always wondered if Trump would simply choose to not run again, mostly out of frustration to not being able to steer the country quite as hard as he feels it needs to be. There’s not really anyone in the GOP who would even seriously consider challenging Trump, which is unfortunate.

I don't think Warren is gonna have much luck. Her ancestry thing is gonna be the new 'Hillary's emails ' tagline. I'm hoping more people will throw their hat into the race. It's usually never the original frontrunners that end up winning.

Trump will definitely run lol. If not for his base, then for the fact that him being president is really the only thing protecting him/family from all these investigations

 

[Lawpy]

I was not a fan of amazon in NYC and I am glad it is not happening. I didn't really care about jobs or tax breaks etc, it was more about taking an already overloaded and overpriced city with some portions of its vital infrastructure on life support and just cramming in a major company that would be producing >10,000 jobs with average salaries ~150,000. It would have been a disaster. I also think LIC is a pile so I take some sick pleasure in seeing their real estate market speculators get a nice sucker punch.

Regarding the original guessing game topic, my assumption is that Harris ultimately gets the nomination as well. I have no issues with Bernie but I think he is ultimately a candidate who will not get the nomination, and will ultimately weaken whoever does.

agreed. it would have drastically raised costs in queens/manhattan. there are already enough rich people in NYC as it is. poorer people are just being pushed further and further away. the jobs they will help stimulate outside of amazon wont be enough for people to buy houses/improve lifestyle for their family or even close to it. even less desireable areas are having 1 BRs cost 500k ++.

quite honestly, I don't know why amazon chose NYC in the first place when there were so many other good options

 

[Lawpy]

also surprised people think Harris will get the nomination despite having a really shady past and essentially being a Hillary 2.0 with a worse background. Warren or Klobuchar stands a much better chance than her.

 

[anbuitachi]

quite honestly, I don't know why amazon chose NYC in the first place when there were so many other good options

likely the massive tax break and the high density of qualified workers. large companies like to be in or near large cities b/c thats where young kids want to go these days.

 

[DM27]

I think Klobuchar will be too middle of the road to satisfy the new breed die hards. I viewed Warrens campaign as done before it started when she started to indulge Trump on the Native American business.

What the Democrats really need is their version of a Trump to basically troll him the entire cycle and then bow out of being nominated.

 

[GA8314]

Too bad AOC isn't old enough to be his running mate. That combo would be unstoppable.

you can't be serious.

 

[deleted171991]

I think news and social media have helped construct this narrative, when if fact moderates outnumber nationalists and socialists. #regressiontothemean

Nope. It's actually the social science polls. There are fewer moderates in the country than in a long time.

 

[Aether2000]

If the dems wanted Obama back, they could nominate Bernie for pres and Obama for VP. Bernie could die shortly after the election or become senile, and then Obama would legally become president for another 4 years. Kind of like Putin ruling for decades in Russia...

 

[Lawpy]

I think Klobuchar will be too middle of the road to satisfy the new breed die hards. I viewed Warrens campaign as done before it started when she started to indulge Trump on the Native American business.

What the Democrats really need is their version of a Trump to basically troll him the entire cycle and then bow out of being nominated.

Then Democrats have to decide between defeating Trump or going diehard extreme. Klobuchar is a moderate who can appeal to conservatives and voters from rural areas. That would effectively weaken Trump's base as she could get his supporters to vote for her.

Going diehard extreme is only helping Trump get reelected.

 

[LadyHalcyon]

Nope. It's actually the social science polls. There are fewer moderates in the country than in a long time.

Interesting. Do you have any citations or sources I could read? I believe you, I just am surprised and would like to learn more about it.


Edited: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fiveth...ns-republicans-are-wrong-about-democrats/amp/

This article summarizes what I was trying to convey

 

[deleted171991]

Interesting. Do you have any citations or sources I could read? I believe you, I just am surprised and would like to learn more about it.


Edited: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fiveth...ns-republicans-are-wrong-about-democrats/amp/

This article summarizes what I was trying to convey

I think you are right and I misremembered. I can't find the citation. Pretty sure because it was not about moderates, but about people like me: socially tolerant and fiscally conservative.

 

[LadyHalcyon]

I think you are right and I misremembered. I can't find the citation. Pretty sure because it was not about moderates, but about people like me: socially tolerant and fiscally conservative.

I do agree that identity politics have increased dramatically. I read some research recently depicting how marrying someone with a different political affiliation is as distressing to parents as their child marrying someone outside their race was 50+ years ago.

 

[DirtDocMD]

Destroying people’s work ethic, promising more and more “free” services/benefits, ginning up racial/sexual/cultural differences from decades/centuries past, and setting up a moral/legal system where actions don’t have consequences, will not lead to a strong/cohesive society. Ask yourself, which party does this apply to MORE??

“Something for nothing” and jealousy of others’ success, will not cure our ills. Even FDR had enough sense to know that, while social programs are needed during times of financial hardship, just giving money away, with no connection to hard work, destroys society (hence, the CCC/etc., to get folks to “work” for their benefits).

Some of you guys can laugh at Trump and the GOP all you want, but ultimately, you can’t have 320 million people thinking every day is Xmas, and the Govt is Santa Claus.

We’re trading freedom for “free-stuff”. When was the last time you saw a protest or requests for “safe-spaces” at a trade school??

 

[TheLoneWolf]

If the dems wanted Obama back, they could nominate Bernie for pres and Obama for VP. Bernie could die shortly after the election or become senile, and then Obama would legally become president for another 4 years. Kind of like Putin ruling for decades in Russia...

it may just happen
would be very hard for them to lose

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Destroying people’s work ethic, promising more and more “free” services/benefits, ginning up racial/sexual/cultural differences from decades/centuries past, and setting up a moral/legal system where actions don’t have consequences, will not lead to a strong/cohesive society. Ask yourself, which party does this apply to MORE??

“Something for nothing” and jealousy of others’ success, will not cure our ills. Even FDR had enough sense to know that, while social programs are needed during times of financial hardship, just giving money away, with no connection to hard work, destroys society (hence, the CCC/etc., to get folks to “work” for their benefits).

Some of you guys can laugh at Trump and the GOP all you want, but ultimately, you can’t have 320 million people thinking every day is Xmas, and the Govt is Santa Claus.

We’re trading freedom for “free-stuff”. When was the last time you saw a protest or requests for “safe-spaces” at a trade school??

THIS

wealth redistribution, capitalist and individual rights demonization, huge bureaucracy, nepotism, Control of speech. All are the current talking points for the current leftists. Did any of you grow up before the 80s?

Few places have tried this:
Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba.

Always ends with someone on the sharp end of the bayonet

 

[fakin' the funk]

quite honestly, I don't know why amazon chose NYC in the first place when there were so many other good options

For the land.

 

[fakin' the funk]

THIS

wealth redistribution, capitalist and individual rights demonization, huge bureaucracy, nepotism, Control of speech. All are the current talking points for the current leftists. Did any of you grow up before the 80s?

Few places have tried this:
Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba.

Always ends with someone on the sharp end of the bayonet

I see a president doing nepotism and control of speech. Your fear mongering of "the left" is silly.

 

[deleted59964]

please - just don't re-elect trump.

 

[DrOwnage]

The man is a con artist who is preying upon the vulnerability of debt ridden and confused millennials. If you know anything about the biography of Bernie Sanders, it would be hard to believe you could possibly vote for him given his hypocrisy. Especially all the hard working driven individuals on this forum/all professionally trained workers in the US.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

I see a president doing nepotism and control of speech. Your fear mongering of "the left" is silly.

Would be foolhardy to state that some on the left do not have these as their active talking points. This includes the likes of Booker, Harris, Warren, Bernie, AOC. Not exactly schlubs out of nowhereville. President is practically free to do as he pleases within the confines of the framework between the three arms of govt, just like every single president before him. Being rude and crude has little to do with policy.

The right has its own fair share of problems including nepotism though the point stands. People actively shutting down discourse and controlling speech on College campuses with strong ties to one political party, calls for wealth redistribution and hatred of capitalism by Bernie and AOC. So what part of this is exaggerated or fear mongering?

 

[nimbus]

All I know is my taxes went up for 2018. A lot.