Best and Worst comments on clinical evals?

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From my Indian peds senior resident: "Student has a great knowledge base but is shy by nature and didn't always make himself heard on rounds. In the future he needs to be more aggressive. He needs to DOMINATE."

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This thread :laugh:

After working my balls off on Family Med earlier this year, the doctor gave me a good clinical grade overall but his comments were so lukewarm that it made it sound like I didn't do anything, something like: "Student is male, wrote a lot of notes, won't be a bad doctor. The pope is Catholic." Wow, thanks. He then turned around and offered to write me a letter of recommendation in the future... :rolleyes: yeah, I can imagine how enthusiastically that letter would be written. He always was a little passive-aggressive with me, about everything.

Anyhow, it turns out the joke is on him. The public has written their evaluations ON HIM on Google Maps. The average rating they gave him was 1 star out of 5. :laugh::laugh::laugh: Yes, that's the AVERAGE. And oh yeah, it wasn't just 1 person spouting off - I think there's like 15 people who have written comments on him and they are all hilarious.
 
At my residency we get evals from our attendings. I was very surprised to see an eval from a surgery attending whom I never worked with. On a scale from 1-5, she marked 3 for every question and wrote, "I never operated with him." She even marked 3 for the ability to teach medical students question. We didn't have medical students on that service!
 
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A female friend of mine from a male resident. "This the one of the example. Student spent overnight with me." :eek:
Meaning she took call, and he was the resident.
 
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My psych attending verbally told me that he gave me the highest grade he had ever given to a student. I looked at my evaluation and saw a B+.

Yeah, my attending actually called me on my cell to tell me that. Told me I was super hard working and did a great job. Told me I'll be thrilled to see my grade as a result, and that it'd been the highest he'd ever given to a student.

I take a look at it ... 89 :laugh:

Kinda costed me in A in the overall rotation (89) ... I guess I could've done a little better on the shelf :smuggrin:
 
What I hate the most is when I'm doing the exact same thing in the presence of 2 evaluators but get opposing/conflicting evals:

CT Surgery chief: "Needs a bit of work on background reading"
CT surgery chief resident: "...was very well prepared for each day; shows he has done a lot of background reading."
 
"In one particular case his/her probing and research on a young patient who presented with heart failure resulted in making the correct diagnosis of *******.(This patient's diagnosis had alluded prior clinicians; she had been seen in several subspecialty clinics and had had at least 3 hospitalizations for congestive heart failure prior to the one for which Richspiders07 cared for her.)"

:D
 
I did surgery as my first rotation, so I wasn't expecting much. However, my attending gave me a surprisingly great evaluation. I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something like. . .

"Jolie was very interested in surgeries. I particularly remember her learning to drive the camera on laparoscopic procedures. She quickly picked up the skill and did a great job. Also, she had a great rapport with both patients and residents alike."

Funny thing is I only remember driving the camera like 2-3 times during my whole month on general surgery, and every time I did, I remember lots of yelling and "goddamnit"s. :laugh:
 
From my obgyn resident: "Nice transvaginal ultrasound!"
 
My comments were always a little generic but one of my friends on surgery got:

"Functioned at the level of a s."

That was it. What's an "s."? Did the rest of the comment get cut off? What was it supposed to say? Perhaps "senior resident" "scrub nurse" or "student of nursing?"

At least you got a couple of words in there. A friend of mine got "She has" from a peds surgeon. Yes, just those 2 words. Needless to say, her response was "WTF"
 
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My comments were always a little generic but one of my friends on surgery got:

"Functioned at the level of a s."

That was it. What's an "s."? Did the rest of the comment get cut off? What was it supposed to say? Perhaps "senior resident" "scrub nurse" or "student of nursing?"

It either means at the level of a senior or it means at the level of ass (they just didn't want to hurt your feelings).
 
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I just received my worst eval including comments that I had poor team rapport and was overly enthusiastic (2/2 my answering questions during rounds...after a couple min of awkward silence while we all avoided eye contact) and indicated that I was impatient and have a "surgeon's personality".

This attending is supposed to be super nice & friendly (which I don't dispute) but he seems to not like students who don't spend long enough cooing at the babies. I am going to be a surgeon (hopefully), and these comments won't go into my Dean's letter, but I can't help wondering if I've somehow screwed myself over? :confused: Should I have used more baby talk and answered less questions?
 
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From my anesthesia attending:

"I enjoyed working with Ashers during her rotation. She wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon but yet always demonstrated great interest in learning about anesthesiology. She had good rapport with residents, OR staff, and patients. She has good base knowledge and good technical skills therefore I wish she would reconsider and pick anesthesia as her future career."

Grade: High Pass.

Now, when I'm on surgery and I see that attending, he still is trying to get me to do anesthesia. He's not happy it's my 2nd choice.


hehehe. Now I'm going into anesthesia. Haven't run into that attending to see if he knows since I missed the introductions last year after the match.
 
Last clerkship of my third year was internal medicine which I plan on applying to. Went out of my way to be super-interested, excited which totally backfired on me.

The team consisted of another 3rd year who was very quiet and shy (going into peds) and just smiled/giggled a lot, a neurology intern who just had a baby and was exhausted, an anesthesiology intern who commented non-stop about how much she hated medicine, and an upper level who was always pissed because his interns did nothing and he had to do a ton of scut and clean up their messes (for example, when the intern didn't reduce a patient's insulin regimen when he was made NPO and then seized secondary to hypoglycemia. note: I'm not trying to insult non-medicine peeps, just two really bad and distracted interns!)

So, I had this attending for one week and she would ask questions of the team on rounds and NO ONE would answer them. It was pretty pathetic. So after several minutes of akward staring I would usually answer them, correctly might I add to show interest. This is what ended up on my evaluation from her:"she often speaks out when questions are directed at other members of the team. My advice would be to count to 10 slowly and then if no-one has answered, then you can answer. Otherwise you are not giving the rest of the team a chance to participate."

This was just one lump of WTF, I was so pissed.
 
The team consisted of another 3rd year who was very quiet and shy (going into peds) and just smiled/giggled a lot, a neurology intern who just had a baby and was exhausted, an anesthesiology intern who commented non-stop about how much she hated medicine, and an upper level who was always pissed because his interns did nothing and he had to do a ton of scut and clean up their messes (for example, when the intern didn't reduce a patient's insulin regimen when he was made NPO and then seized secondary to hypoglycemia. note: I'm not trying to insult non-medicine peeps, just two really bad and distracted interns!)

What kind of nurse gives a patient insulin when he is NPO? Jesus, checks and balances needed.
 
Best
-"she generates a differential diagnosis that I could only expect from a 2nd year pediatric resident"- Ambulatory Medicine
-"I have great expectations for this remarkable young woman and therefore, I strongly recommend her for any residency program she may wish to apply for without any reservation. I forsee her becoming chief resident in her program."-Ambulatory Medicine
-"excellent job! Well beyond her level of training and extremely impressive. Smart, hard working and pleasant to work with. The top 3rd year student I have worked with yet."- Emergency Medicine:love:

Worst
-"Need to find more procedures. ? if in general, there are not enough procedures for students":confused:- Emergency Medicine

I have a sneaking suspicion that my weakest evals will be in surgery (current rotation) but I will cross my fingers.

looks like you made a great residency choice :) rock on
 
The nurses at my hospital do. That's why we interns are very careful about checking insulin orders whenever we change a diet.

When I was a nursing student a few years ago, we learned that it was a no-no to give insulin to an NPO patient, but over the past few years inpatient diabetes management has changed so much, that this is no longer the case for every patient. Check with your hospital policies to make sure that d/cing the insulin for NPO status is allowed. Part of these new DM management include not using oral hypoglycemics in the hospital and using insulins only, as well as standard hypoglycemic protocols in place for all units and floors in the hospital.

When we did the inservice a few months ago, we were all so confused when we walked out of there :(

Back onto the original point of this thread, don't get discouraged if you get a bad eval here and there. I think its just the culture of medicine to try to give the guy/girl underneath you a run through the fire to see if you can handle it. Keep your head up, and best of luck to all of you!
 
I think my worst comment was during my hideous scut-work-filled surgery rotation. I got a comment along the lines of "average medical student." Nice.

Yup I go that too and also in surgery. "Medical knowledge was average." Awesome. You would think that at this point in medical school I would be totally used to feeling average, but it still stings. Oh well. The sucky part is that the surgeon who wrote that is a really good guy and a good doctor, so I can't even have the pleasure of secretly despising him. :(

Also I see that lots of us have gotten "I am sure InsertMedStudent'sNameHere will be successful in whatever field she goes into." Is this some sort of code that attendings write each other? Do they really mean it or is it a sneaky way of saying "...obviously this med student won't be going into THIS specialty." Does anybody know?
 
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Also I see that lots of us have gotten "I am sure InsertMedStudent'sNameHere will be successful in whatever field she goes into." Is this some sort of code that attendings write each other? Do they really mean it or is it a sneaky way of saying "...obviously this med student won't be going into THIS specialty." Does anybody know?

I've actually heard from residents/attendings that's a good phrase to have in your evals. So, congrats! :)
 
My favorite so far, from a pediatrics resident that I never even met, let alone worked with.

"System based practice: I did not have a chance to work with this student during their rotation.

Professionalism: I did not have a chance to work with this student during their rotation.

Medical knowledge: I did not have a chance to work with this student during their rotation.

Communication skills: His presentations and written notes are concise and well thought out.

Total Grade: 85.

Overall: This student has deficiencies and needs to repeat the course."
 
My friends at UM got some ridiculous written comments this month.

One guy who apparently thought he did well on surgery got a LP with the comment "student is occasionally adequate." and one other guy got a pass where the only comment was "poor fund of knowledge."
 
My favorite so far, from a pediatrics resident that I never even met, let alone worked with.

"System based practice: I did not have a chance to work with this student during their rotation.

Professionalism: I did not have a chance to work with this student during their rotation.

Medical knowledge: I did not have a chance to work with this student during their rotation.

Communication skills: His presentations and written notes are concise and well thought out.

Total Grade: 85.

Overall: This student has deficiencies and needs to repeat the course."

I had a similar experience with an ob/gyn resident. Never worked with her, yet she found it necessary to score me 3/5 in every single domain on the evaluation. At least, you got an 85.
 
One attending on my family rotation said, "Not everything is a joke." 100%, though. I love family medicine. :p

I don't think I've gotten a negative or even sort of bad comment other than that yet, but peds is almost done. We'll see how that goes.
 
Same rotation (medicine)

"Student is beyond her expected level. Best student on rotation."

"Student has obvious clinic deficiencies." --- based on an interview with a standardized patient who pretty clearly either hated me or really did not want to be there

Ended up having to appeal the grade on the second one!
 
Oddly enough, I met with my attending yesterday afternoon and got a "I tell all my students that not everyone can get 100's on their eval," likely thanks to one bungled presentation of a really complex patient I had about 10 minutes to read up on before rounds. The other student didn't hear the same. Addition to this thread pending. :laugh:
 
Best:

IM- "Truly everything that Dan did was done with great enthusiasm. He gave his best to the clerkship and put forth considerable effort. He sought feedback in an earnest desire for self-improvement. Above average."

Surgery- "DocDanny scrubbed into more surgeries than his classmate, and he doesn't even want to go into surgery."

Worst:

OB- "DocDanny is too enthusiastic and asks questions at bad times."
FM- "DocDanny needs to read more to improve his medical knowledge."

FAVORITE:

IM- "DocDanny's handwriting is actually legible." From one of the specialists.:D
 
I got this from a PD: "you will turn heads on all your electives".. :O... donno what to make of it.. turn heads because of my what?! what the what...

And then the resident who says: "will be an addition to any program." WTF... anyone will be an addition to any program... arrrggghh


anyway...

On the same rotation:

Best (chief resident): "strongly recommend for any surgical subspecialty."

Worst (Attending): "No concerns". When I asked him how I can improve (he gave me "satisfactory" in one of the categories), he said "nothing. You are doing fine." And this guys research focuses on resident evaluation... we are doomed.
 
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"Is not as cool as he thinks he is."

Haha
 
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Same attending both comments:
"Strengths: Excellent fund of knowledge well beyond his peers. Demonstrates initiative in researching relevant clinical material pertinent to his patients' conditions and care."

A few sections later...

"Areas to improve on: Needs to read more."
 
Nothing in 2 years?! What a travesty!

I don't have anything to add yet but do wonder if you all try to get mid-rotation feedback in order to change your path, if needed.
 
Hey, it's better than "Student was nowhere to be seen on a daily basis" or "Student needs to invest in an alarm clock."
 
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crappy one: "no obvious deficits"

I love this one, I plan on using it in the future. It sounds harmless, but is really passive aggressive.

So far the most perplexing eval logic I have seen:
Plastics Attending: "Excellent student. Superior knowledge of surgical techniques and principles. Will make excellent houseofficer."
Eval: Pass

I have a similar one:
FM: "One of the best medical students I have worked with in my 3 years of residency" Eval: Pass :(

My worst one is also by psych
"Has no ability to recognize the clinical boundaries between staff".

Which is interesting as I do actually have trouble with boundaries/heirarchy!
 
Best: (written by the medical director at a large multidisciplinary group) We would like to hire this student at the end of their training. He/she will be highly successful in whatever field he/she decides to pursue.

Worst: I had a preceptor who left no comments at all. Gave me a great score, but no feedback
 
crappy one: "no obvious deficits"
I read this in Alan Rickman's Snape voice and it's amazing.

I've only gotten feedback from 3 rotations so far, one of which was rads and not very detailed.

Surgery clerkship director didn't list all the reviews he got from the attendings and residents for me and said that I "received superb reviews for her clinical performance during surgery" and that I should "just keep doing what I'm doing." The people on medicine were much more verbose but one of the residents said "I'd love to work with her as an intern." That one gave me some warm fuzzies.

I haven't had any floridly bad ones yet, just some phoned-in 'just keep reading more' ones.
 
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I have to put this on here... just for posterity:

Comments included in the evaluation:Question: General Comments:

Kaustikos has a direct way of approaching a concern and looking at problems differently. This is an asset to group/team functions as he typically walks a different route and this allows for discussion that one would not usually have to add to the options. This will always need to be tempered in a way that adds to group dynamics and output rather than distracts.

Question: Areas for Improvement:

Demeanor noted on rotation creates a barrier where he appears to be a bit unapproachable at times and responses are direct and may need some softening to bring a second converstationalist into being comfortable with continuing the conversation. At times confrontational, and this is not always bad in the sense of bringing up patient problems, concerns or learning opportunities, but if all the time, it tends to put a valley between the learner and educator that is hard to overcome.


YAY! /hatesthisguy
 
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I have to put this on here... just for posterity:

Comments included in the evaluation:Question: General Comments:

Kaustikos has a direct way of approaching a concern and looking at problems differently. This is an asset to group/team functions as he typically walks a different route and this allows for discussion that one would not usually have to add to the options. This will always need to be tempered in a way that adds to group dynamics and output rather than distracts.

Question: Areas for Improvement:

Demeanor noted on rotation creates a barrier where he appears to be a bit unapproachable at times and responses are direct and may need some softening to bring a second converstationalist into being comfortable with continuing the conversation. At times confrontational, and this is not always bad in the sense of bringing up patient problems, concerns or learning opportunities, but if all the time, it tends to put a valley between the learner and educator that is hard to overcome.


YAY! /hatesthisguy

If I was a program director I'd bring you in for an interview just to see wth this guy is talking about!
 
If I was a program director I'd bring you in for an interview just to see wth this guy is talking about!
Well, the issue is he hampered on about how i needed to be more direct with my answers to his pimping and defend myself.
so.. i did just that when he taught our nutrition lecture. He apparently didnt like it... but whatever. he had the audacity to say i was wrong with my answer that ins/outs are a valid way to asess nutritional status and then 15 min later say the exact thing is used.
 
Not an evaluation I received personally, but was told this story by a resident on the interview trail:

He had accumulated enough credits to graduate, so he decided to do nothing for his last block. Instead of showing up for his rotation, he just stayed home and did whatever. At the end, he received honors and comments like, "Best medical student we've ever had." His conscious got the best of him, however, and he told the front office and they removed it from his transcript.
 
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That seems to happen to me all the time. What is with these people??

OBGYN department chair: "Excellent student. Sometimes overzealous. Stayed more hours than any other medical student. Hard worker, excellent bedside manner. Loved by patients. We would love to have her enter the field of OBGYN."
Grade: B

Chair's response when I asked him about the discrepancy: "Didn't you read the comments? I gave you a great eval! I don't see what's wrong with the grade!"
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I can't wait to see what my Surgery evals are like.

(bump)

Omg, SAME.

My school has evals that are out of 4, and it's nearly impossible to get a 4.

I was told to my face that my clinical knowledge was "superlative" on Ob/Gyn, but I still got a 3/4 in clinical knowledge. In fact, I've only ever gotten one 4/4 EVER, and that was for annoying my residents with pubmed articles that I looked up during downtime. I got the 4 because apparently none of the other MS3s ever bothered to look at studies.

Which brings me to my point -- to get not a good but an excellent eval, from what I've heard you have to perform at the level of a resident or a sub-i. But how do you do that? For one thing, I physically can't do the work of an intern because I AM. NOT. GIVEN. ENOUGH. AUTONOMY. Management? Much of it feels like institutional voodoo anyway, and is quite divergent from what I read in my books. Besides, management is what I'm there to learn -- I can't write your flippin' orders because I'm not even sure if my plan is even correct, and when I try to be more proactive and help, half the time I end up stepping on someone's toes or annoying a nurse or something.

But someone in my class is getting the honors evals. 30 percent, allegedly. I just haven't found those people yet.

Best eval:
"Active, engaged learner. Always seeking opportunities to take knowledge to the next level through primary research and outside reading. Fund of knowledge is excellent." --Ob/Gyn chief resident in December

Worst eval:
"Has some gaps in knowledge and didn't seem to know what those were" --Neuro attending back in the summer. No, he's not "just a jerk," I did struggle through a pimp session or two with him. This is mostly for everyone who thinks that pimp sessions don't matter as long as you're a fun-to-be-around person and also... isn't it his job to help me understand where I am deficient?

"Is by no means lacking in compassion for patients, but is somewhat awkward and stiff." --Ob/Gyn attending in clinic (followed up by statement about how I have great insight into this situation and am actively working to improve, which is commendable or whatnot.) Still got 2/4. Now, this is based on one interview, where I was stiff and awkward because I was being watched.

"Could work on teamwork" -- Ob/Gyn chief resident (followed by a very nice and explanation of a situation where some members of staff felt I had muscled another student out of a case when in fact the student gave it to me because his shift was coming to an end. Once again laced with "lockian has great insight, responds to feedback amazingly well, and has improved a lot" and similar crap. Got a 2/4). This is annoying because this is ONE case, on ONE day, and the residents acknowledge that it was a systemic issue in part, where the expectations for how students were to divide up, follow, and hand over cases were not made very clear to us.

I am so done. I try so hard every day. I can do an H&P in my sleep now and even take a stab at a plan after a few days on service. I volunteer for all the scut work, I do well on most pimp sessions, I'm generally pleasant and proactive about implementing feedback. But all it takes is an instance of bad timing or bad communication and it seems like none of the above even matters.
 
I texted my resident when I got an A in surgery to thank her, and she said, "Really?" Can't imagine what the actual eval said. Lol.
 
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Seriously though, if you're expecting honors, you should be doing that all day erry day.
Well, like I said, a lot of the plans feel like institution voodoo, so it takes at least a couple days to catch on to some of the patterns. I mean, unless you've already read your whole review book before you start the rotation, it's kind of the luck of the draw whether you get a patient you know how to manage vs. one you don't. Unless doing all your reading before the rotation starts really is the answer.
 
Well, like I said, a lot of the plans feel like institution voodoo, so it takes at least a couple days to catch on to some of the patterns. I mean, unless you've already read your whole review book before you start the rotation, it's kind of the luck of the draw whether you get a patient you know how to manage vs. one you don't. Unless doing all your reading before the rotation starts really is the answer.

Whatever time you get there in the morning, make it an hour earlier. Use that hour to look up stuff on your patients and make a good plan. Easy as that. If it's IM and you've got one of those IM attendings who digs it, print out a recent relevant article and work it into your plan (don't ever do this on any surgical rotation).

Really, though, honors in 3rd year is all about how much people liked you. If he didn't gel with the team, even Osler would get a P.

My guess from your post is that you may not realize how you're being perceived.
 
My school's system has pros and cons- on one hand, on most rotations we get to pick who evaluates us, and that is a huge advantage. However, our grades are hugely influenced by the shelf exams. So, even with strategically selected awesome evals, any shelf in the 80s (which I think it perfectly decent) is only going to be like a B+/A-. Which is fine, but to make an A you have to really destroy the shelf. And that's how they get ya.
 
Most bizarre eval: "Had a nice, clean white coat". And that was about all he said. AND it made it into my deans letter (?!).

Ironically, that was the ONE rotation during which I spilled coffee all over myself one day prior to coming in! Maybe he was being facetious?
 
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