Best Country in Europe for a doctor/surgeon to work in??

[habeebi82]

hey, i am a resident in switzerland, so if you have any questions you can contact me.

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[tohfa]

hey, i am a resident in switzerland, so if you have any questions you can contact me.

Hello there....
I am Taufiq Noorani and i m a citizen of india n i have completed my medicine and am planning to come germany for the german languaue n then contiue my residency...
so can you please guide me for doing residency progs in Switzerland where german is spoken or residency progs in Germany.
Please do reply.
Thanks.
Taufiq.

 

[CANYCA]

Hello DrBK!
I have the same question as you... I will be completing my residency in June in OBGYN. I am licensed to practice in the US, but want to know what the process is for obtaining a license in the EU, Australia, etc. Did you find any information on that?
Thanks in advance!
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[jfransen]

Hey, Habeebi82. I am a MD from Stockholm Sweden interested in applying for doctor jobs in Switzerland. I have questions concerning the application process can I contact you?

 

[SFO-IST]

Do any of the European countries present physicians with higher earning potentials than the USA (where we can assume a primary care doctor would earn $150,000 and a general surgeon $280,000)? what are salaries like?

 

[Singh]

Comparing salaries across borders doesn't really make sense, as you need to take other things in consideration too. Cost of living, income taxes and malpractice insurance policies all matter.

 

[slight365]

Do any of the European countries present physicians with higher earning potentials than the USA (where we can assume a primary care doctor would earn $150,000 and a general surgeon $280,000)? what are salaries like?

You would be very lucky in Germany to bring home €40,000 euros as a top salary.

Working conditions are poor here, which is why there is a net emigration of physicians, especially to Switzerland and the US. They simply don't pay enough, nor do wage increases keep up with cost of living. If they were paying a generous amount, then it wouldn't be so bad, but many physicians are on subsistence levels to begin with.

 

[Vortho]

Hello forum:

I'm a 33 year old doctor who recently graduated as an Orthopaedic Surgeon in Venezuela. I was born in England but left the country when I was 5 years old and came to Venezuela which is my parents country. I seek advice in this forum about my options of working in Europe given my double nationality. I do not mind starting as a general medical practitioner but I would like to know what would be the recommended country to search for a job as a doctor and in that country what would be the steps necessary to achieve a working status. I am fluent in both Spanish and English and also have very good command of oral and written French. As I have seen from other posts in this forum the road is not easy but I am willing to work hard for a spot if I know I have a chance somewhere.

So I humbly ask for your advice,I will much appreciate it.

P.S: If my chances are slim in Europe would it best to consider the U.S or Canada. What do you think? If I were to consider the U.S where could I work in the meantime preparing for the USMLE?

Thank you

my email is [email protected]

 

[Vortho]

I posted a question about three months ago and I've got no answer.Thanks a lot guyss

 

[shreypete]

Hello forum:

I'm a 33 year old doctor who recently graduated as an Orthopaedic Surgeon in Venezuela. I was born in England but left the country when I was 5 years old and came to Venezuela which is my parents country. I seek advice in this forum about my options of working in Europe given my double nationality. I do not mind starting as a general medical practitioner but I would like to know what would be the recommended country to search for a job as a doctor and in that country what would be the steps necessary to achieve a working status. I am fluent in both Spanish and English and also have very good command of oral and written French. As I have seen from other posts in this forum the road is not easy but I am willing to work hard for a spot if I know I have a chance somewhere.

So I humbly ask for your advice,I will much appreciate it.

P.S: If my chances are slim in Europe would it best to consider the U.S or Canada. What do you think? If I were to consider the U.S where could I work in the meantime preparing for the USMLE?

Thank you

my email is [email protected]

Hey there,
I think you could perhaps try getting into Spain of France but either way, you'll first have to get your qualifications accredited by these countries. That might take anywhere from 3-5 months.

You can also try for the US (Canada has pretty much closed its doors to IMGs) or Australia (they prefer specialists like you to work in their country.) The hard part about getting into the US is that you do have to clear the 3 steps with excellent scores and then apply for a residency (there is no certainty that you'll get into Orthopedic surgery. You'll need to have a lot of Ortho publications from an American Med school and gain some clinical experience in addition to all these requirements.)

Good luck!

 

[euro]

Anyone have any information on residency in italy?

 

[srimedico]

You would be very lucky in Germany to bring home €40,000 euros as a top salary.

Working conditions are poor here, which is why there is a net emigration of physicians, especially to Switzerland and the US. They simply don't pay enough, nor do wage increases keep up with cost of living. If they were paying a generous amount, then it wouldn't be so bad, but many physicians are on subsistence levels to begin with.

How come that much low in germany :? :? ... i read that in sweeden the pay is 5200+ euros per 42 hour week for specialists .. so for a month - 20000 Euros ..... and 250000 Euros per annum



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[stddeviation]

How come that much low in germany :? :? ... i read that in sweeden the pay is 5200+ euros per 42 hour week for specialists .. so for a month - 20000 Euros ..... and 250000 Euros per annum



PS : Just rated the very useful informative discussion thread with 5 stars

This isn't correct. The 5200 euro is a monthly salary, not weekly.

 

[jorginhop]

Hey I am a medical student in Portugal and I am about to finish my studies in June next year.
I am thinking about doing my medical residency abroad after a year of general practice here in Portugal, however I'm still gathering some information about the countries.

Could anyone inform me about the average salaries during the residency in Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Sweden?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Ahbatarfi]

Switzerland is one of the few European countries which is practically impossible to get into as a doctor. It's possible! but nevertheless a long haul with lots of paperwork and waiting. The Swiss are way too picky when it comes to choosing doctors from other countries (although as you said, language is one of the biggies and having that qualification is of some help.) But the process isn't all that easy.

Switzerland is also one of the few countries that pays its doctors very very well (like Norway, and Netherlands) but it's also one of the most expensive countries to live in.

Hi shrepete!

Why is switzerland hard to get into ?
Can you inform us of how to enroll there and what are the requirements ?

I know this is a bit late (4 years more or less) but it would be really usefull to know it, and i will be really grateful.

 

[elsa123]

Well Netherlands is a great option indeed. I really wanted to live there for a couple of years because I fell in love with the place....but my dreams have been shattered after having visited Amsterdam and Rotterdam recently. The condition for doctors is really quite tight as of now. They've set up way to many standards and made it so much more harder for international students to work in their country (Belgium is slightly better in this aspect but still not easy).

To be honest, the only countries that are opening their doors right now are the Scandinavian countries...especially Sweden and Norway (I'm not too sure about Denmark). Both Sweden and Norway have been recruiting lots of international graduates for quite some time now and they also pay well (although Norway pays a lot higher salaries than Sweden...the primary reason why most of the Scandinavian docs are moving to Norway).

Sweden: you do have to be fluent in Swedish but there is no official test that you need to take to prove your fluency. One's fluency is assessed through the medical exam and the interview..and then you need to go through the process of getting your medical degree validated and so on.

Norway: There is an official language exam (The Bergen's test) that one needs to pass in order to be able to work there. And then the same process of getting your medical degree accredited by the Norwegian medical board. The advantages of living there: a great country in most aspects: educational standards, raising a family, same environment, high quality of living, lots of seafood . Disadvantages: cold cold cold!, long, dark days (and long, bright days in the summer, so that will take some time to get used to), very very expensive (I mean literally, a bottle of beer costed me 8-10 EUR), very reserved people (to the point that they come off as being "cold and unfriendly"...especially to an American), and finally it's just very "isoloated" if you know what I mean.

And I've mentioned with Switzerland, they're way too tight in recruiting candidates, even from the EU. They do sort of give a higher preference to candidates from France, Luxembourg and perhaps Germany. The whole language requirement is also a bit complicated. If you're living in the French cantons, fluency of French will suffice...unfortunately the french-speaking population of Switzlerland already has many many doctors and they're still pouring in from France and Belgium. In the German speaking part...there are 2 other populations: the pure German speaking cantons...and the Swiss german speaking population. The major advantage here is that they are recruiting many doctors...the disadvantage: learning the language. It just takes so many years because Swiss German is only a spoken language...it has no written from (they use High German when writing). So you would technically be learning 2 different languages with a very little overlap. And then there are the Rumantsch and the Italian cantons but they just make up the minority.

Countries I would recommend: the Scandinavian ones (if can overcome all the negatives of living there). And perhaps you can also look outside Europe...but I'm assuming you want to live in Europe. Germany is another choice but the pay is not so good (even despite the recent increase in salaries).

Hi Shreypete,

You mentioned some things about Norway in one of your threads...
I am finishing up my last year of undergrad and am interested in medical school in Norway. I am currently learning Norwegian and understand that understanding the language is necessary. Do you know anything about international students going to medical school in Norway, if it is even possible? you also said that the Scandinavian countries are open to international graduates, would this include graduates from nursing schools?

 

[MedicalJohn]

As for happy living, you are correct. Both Spain and Italy are absolutely awesome in that respect ( people, climate, culture, food, women). But wages for junior doctors/ residents are so low that you will probably not survive without a monthly check from your parents, at least that is what I heard from an Italian med student ( Spain is supposed to be slightly better, but still tough). Furthermore, I was told both Italy and Spain have an oversupply of young doctors. If I think about the girls I met in Italy and the food, it makes me want to cry that this route is practically closed...

I agree with Marsupilami. I got into my studies in Italy before the "boom" and influx of students. I would have loved to study in Spain as well. The culture is amazing and the women aren't bad either.

 

[Anacro]

Hi! I am coming from Croatia. After 6 years of med school, i am now having 1 year of practice in hospital. Next year i will get my licence and i can work in general practice.
Can you give me any advice about going somewhere in europe to work? What are possibilities in European countries? Thanks!!!

 

[shreypete]

Hi Shreypete,

You mentioned some things about Norway in one of your threads...
I am finishing up my last year of undergrad and am interested in medical school in Norway. I am currently learning Norwegian and understand that understanding the language is necessary. Do you know anything about international students going to medical school in Norway, if it is even possible? you also said that the Scandinavian countries are open to international graduates, would this include graduates from nursing schools?

I'm sure it's possible, but they usually don't give any preference to one particular group of undergrads to my knowledge. You could definitely try getting into a med school in Norway (but it's uber-competitive.) Perhaps Sweden might be a better option? (because they have a longer track record of international students studying in their universities.) Keep in mind that you can always go back to Norway after medical school for training (residency)/internship as this provision is allowed for anyone graduating from a Scandinavian medical school (it's still hard because one who is a EU citizen can avail this benefit but I would think it wouldn't be that hard if you actually graduated in a Scandinavian school, as opposed to graduating from Germany or any another non-Scandinavian country.)

 

[vilma]

Hi guys ,
I graduate in Italy university and i want to move to Luxembourg for residency.I want to ask if they accept the Italian license or not ?
Thank u

 

[drkumar]

Shreyepete,

the salaries for junior doctors /residents in Germany have improved over the last years. You can expect to make 2k € /month after taxes in your first year and it improves with every year of residency. Off the top of my head I'd say this is above average by European standards. For specialists, however, other countries might be more interesting. But in the end, it is a truly personal decision for anyone to make.

Like I wrote in another thread, Scandinavia e.g. is not for everyone. While working conditions might be better than on the "continent" and salaries might be good with regard to working hours, not everyone likes the culture, the climate, the solitude etc. What have you won if you have a good life in the hospital but lead a lonely private life. Of course, one will find a partner there ( if one doesn't already bring one along) but one also needs friends.

I'm interested in Scandinavia (Sweden in particular, and perhaps Denmark) and am trying to do an internship there in the future, just to get a feel for the society. I know that teaching and work atmosphere is usually quite good in Sweden, but I also know that a lot of Europeans ( Germans etc.) have difficulties getting along with the Swedes.

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