best dental school in NY

wise146 · Oct 23, 2003

I just wanted to know which school people regard as the best dental school in New York

Columbia
NYU
Stony Brook
Buffalo

Thanks

RaiderNation · Oct 23, 2003

I heard that Buffalo was the lowest of the lows. If you can't get into other dental schools, you could be a shoe-in at Buffalo.

vishal_k32801 · Oct 23, 2003

Heard or you know for sure RaiderNation? We hear a lot of things, but in real life things can be very different.

RaiderNation · Oct 23, 2003

actually I was just trying to piss UBTom off. He doesn't like me for some reason. Maybe he's a Bill fan.

wise146 · Oct 23, 2003

Raider what do you mean by lowest of the lows, i have never heard that about buffalo!

endposse10 · Oct 23, 2003

raider:

where did you get that information? have you interviewed there? i'm interested in the new york schools and i have always heard that buffalo was a good school.

RaiderNation · Oct 23, 2003

OK, maybe its a good school. All kidding aside, didn't someone post that 17's will get you in this year though?

wise146 · Oct 23, 2003

endposse which do you think is best in terms of cost, location, depth of studies etc.

endposse10 · Oct 23, 2003

in terms of cost, i would definately have to say the state schools. i have heard good things about both of them and being that the education there would be so cheap, would be a very attractive package.

on a down side, i think both state schools are far from what you would call a large metropolitan area as nyu and columbia are. if you're looking at a school for location, i would definately be looking into those two schools as nyc would have a lot more advantages to it than suny or ub.

i most recently interviewed at nyu, and i have to honestly say that it left me with a lot to be desired. i felt that with such a large class i would get lost in the mix. some people may thrive in an enviroment such as this, but it definately isn't for me.

i think ubtom would be able to help you more with the depth of education at his institution.

Serge718 · Oct 23, 2003

There is no doubt that Stony Brook is the best dental school in NY. They give you the most hands on experience. They don't train people (unlike columbia) to be researchers, they train people to become dentists. Their practical requirements are high. It is a little hard to get in from what i udnerstand. Over a thousand applicants and only 38 excepted. This is the smallest dental school in the country. And oh yeah the cost is 13,300 per year. And another thing, Stony Dental School students usually score in the top 10-15% on the boards.

Brand · Oct 23, 2003

The last post is FILLED with opinion and absolutely no facts. 10-15%--- I almost wet my pants laughing, someone isn't going to do very good on their quantitative. If you don't know, dont just make stuff up.

Brand · Oct 23, 2003

Oh, another thing. Research schools don't train you to do research. Research is extra, beyond the normal curriculum. If you don't like it, you are not made to do it.

Reed1978 · Oct 23, 2003

I interviewed at UB and Columbia, so I can only comment on those two schools. NYU and Stonybrook are really just hearsay however:

Columbia: I get the impression that Columbia is a very strong school in terms of turning out excellent speciallists. Doesn't mean that these specialists aren't good clinicians as well - but my interview group was informed that if you want to get into a specialty, having Columbia as your alma matter is a real plus! Also, Columbia is on a Pass/Fail system...maybe this is good, maybe not - I really don't know for sure. I suspect it has it's ups and downs. The class size is small - about 75 students. Overall, I wasn't blown away by Columbia's program. They have the name, but otherwise quite unremarkable. Spanish Harlem leaves something to be desired too.

Buffalo: This is my undergrad/grad school but I am by no means biased towards the university (and by the way, UB is a SUNY school...saying "UB or SUNY" doesn't make any sense). UB has one of the top rated programs in the country, and they really have an all-star line up of great dentists (literally the top in their respective fields in the world). They have a DVD base curriculum now which like the P/F system at Columbia has it's ups and downs. The area is extremely safe, the school is very affordable, and their clinical settings are amongst the best I have seen. Overall, I feel that you can't go wrong by going to UB. They have a relatively low class size - about 90 students each year.

NYU: I have only heard that the price tag is rediculous, the class size is extremely large, and they are known to be a school that is forgiving of lower GPA's and DAT scores. Other than this, I don't know much about the school at all.

Stonybrook: Their class size is at the other extreme from NYU - about 35-40 students each year (similar to Harvard and UConn). I didn't realize how cheap the school was - maybe someone else can confirm the ~$15,000 sticker price? I've never met any dentists who graduated from SB, or met any students who go there...so I really don't know how good their clinics are, or board scores or whatever. Although, I agree that top 10-15% is a bit high.

StarGirl · Oct 23, 2003

Originally posted by Reed1978
I interviewed at UB and Columbia, so I can only comment on those two schools. NYU and Stonybrook are really just hearsay however:

Columbia: I get the impression that Columbia is a very strong school in terms of turning out excellent speciallists. Doesn't mean that these specialists aren't good clinicians as well - but my interview group was informed that if you want to get into a specialty, having Columbia as your alma matter is a real plus! Also, Columbia is on a Pass/Fail system...maybe this is good, maybe not - I really don't know for sure. I suspect it has it's ups and downs. The class size is small - about 75 students. Overall, I wasn't blown away by Columbia's program. They have the name, but otherwise quite unremarkable. Spanish Harlem leaves something to be desired too.

it's actually washington heights

I love it here at columbia

great program, great people, great everything... lots of hard work, lots of material to learn....only if it was closer to downtown

(which is 1/2 hr on the train) but everyone's experience is different

so you'll have to explore it yourself.

oh yeah for the p/f system...you can check out how other schools that have been on P/F system are doing... those schools (the ones I know of are): Harvard, UCLA, UConn...

Originally posted by Reed1978
Buffalo: UB has one of the top rated programs in the country, and they really have an all-star line up of great dentists (literally the top in their respective fields in the world).

Reed where did you get that info about Buffalo...cause it seems like a lot of schools say stuff like that about themselves... I went to 10 interviews and I'll say 8/10 schools said something simliar to that... and where's the ranking...last I've heard there's no dental ranking... and from all the research (for dental research labs and school project etc) I've never, not once, ran into an article written by anyone at/from buffalo... sorry, I'm just skeptical of schools that say stuff like that

Pi__Guy1 · Oct 23, 2003

1/2 hour ride downtown? ouch. at least you have some good bars on the upper west side that are close by. although, i will never set foot in Blondies ever again. watched the cubs lose game 7 there.....brings back nightmares.

*sidenote*
is anybody actually watching the world series? i refuse to watch the marlins. i hate pudge. yes, i'm one bitter chicago fan.

StarGirl · Oct 23, 2003

Originally posted by Pi__Guy1
1/2 hour ride downtown? ouch. at least you have some good bars on the upper west side that are close by. although, i will never set foot in Blondies ever again. watched the cubs lose game 7 there.....brings back nightmares.

*sidenote*
is anybody actually watching the world series? i refuse to watch the marlins. i hate pudge. yes, i'm one bitter chicago fan.

haha you're funny pi-guy...you're just as far to Time Sq... and it takes you just as long to get to Soho area as well

Sometimes longer since you have to transfer twice...
You should be a Yankee's fan... 1. you're a NYer now 2. revenge on them fishes...

RaiderNation · Oct 24, 2003

You mean ***** who goes to a New York school?

Doggie · Oct 24, 2003

Originally posted by Serge718
There is no doubt that Stoney Brook is the best dental school in NY. They give you the most hands on experience. They don't train people (unlike columbia) to be researchers, they train people to become dentists. Their practical requirements are high. It is a little hard to get in from what i udnerstand. Over a thousand applicants and only 38 excepted. This is the smallest dental school in the country. And oh yeah the cost is 13,300 per year. And another thing, Stoney Dental School students usually score in the top 10-15% on the boards.

Um........

Cant say that I absolutely agree with you 100% with this post. "BRAND" was correct in saying that research is an extra thing that isnt forced upon each student.......however, I have heard rumors that at harvard, research is required. At columbia, no faculty would force the students into research.......BUT.........being that columbia is more geared at pushing the students towards some forms of post graduate/speciality programs, most, if not all students do some form of elective research in order to have a competitive spot in the programs.

Are you referring to the NBDE part I or II? I know columbia sucks at part II......hahaha. Honestly, I would settle for any passing grade if I already found out what specialty program i am entering....

UBTom · Oct 24, 2003

Originally posted by StarGirl
Reed where did you get that info about Buffalo...cause it seems like a lot of schools say stuff like that about themselves... I went to 10 interviews and I'll say 8/10 schools said something simliar to that... and where's the ranking...last I've heard there's no dental ranking... and from all the research (for dental research labs and school project etc) I've never, not once, ran into an article written by anyone at/from buffalo... sorry, I'm just skeptical of schools that say stuff like that

Hi StarGirl,

there is a lot of inter-institutional collaboration when it comes to research. On any one paper you are likely to see researchers from several different schools. I think buried in the bylines in a lot of papers you will see names from all four NYS schools even though their affiliation isn't listed. Here's the link to the research activities at Buffalo (with lists of papers published under each individual faculty): http://www.sdm.buffalo.edu/researchdescriptions.asp

To Wise146:

As far as the "best" dental school in New York State:

There is no "best" dental school in New York State. The "best" dental school is the one that suits your goals and preferences best. Buffalo, Columbia, NYU and Stony are all very fine institutions.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide who is more credible: Somebody who is almost done with dental school, or some useless ***** calling himself "RaiderNation" who hasn't even gotten into dental school yet.

Raidernation has a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Buffalo. If Buffalo is so easy to get into, what does that say about him?

StarGirl · Oct 24, 2003

UBTom, No no, I didn't mean that there's no research at Buffalo...but from my experiences there's not much research being done by NY dental schools...

Serge718~ i don't know much bout Stoney...but i know that Many of my NY classmmates got into Stoney and didn't go... and MOST schools fall in the range of an average of 85 on the boards (so being in the top 10-15% doesn't sound all that great to me...) And I definately won't call Columbia a research school. There's absolutely NO requirement to do research... I would say our system is based on Medicine.

RaiderNation I'm not a *****. If I had to do it again, I'll still be at Columbia. NYC's great for a temporary home

I seriously think dental school's too personal to decide by what people say... You really just need to experience it to find out what school's right for you

Pi__Guy1 · Oct 24, 2003

Stargirl:

Yea, but it's only a 10 minute walk to Macy's area (even though I think that area is over-rated).

"I should be a Yankee fan?" Hell no. I refuse to jump on that bandwagon. (although, I wouldn't mind catching the parade on 5th Ave, IF they win)

And, yes, I agree. NY is a great temporary home. I am glad I can say I lived in NY at some point in my life. Would I want to live here permanently? Probably not, but it's a great experience...and that's why I chose to go to a NY school.

Originally posted by StarGirl
haha you're funny pi-guy...you're just as far to Time Sq... and it takes you just as long to get to Soho area as well Sometimes longer since you have to transfer twice...
You should be a Yankee's fan... 1. you're a NYer now 2. revenge on them fishes...

PERFECT3435 · Oct 25, 2003

actually I was just trying to piss UBTom off. He doesn't like me for some reason. Maybe he's a Bill fan.

rsawpo · Oct 27, 2003

I have been looking at statistics of enrolled students of the 15 schools that I am applying to (over 4 years of statistics) and surprisingly, the only school i found go down from ~19.5 DAT to 17 smth for the last years statistics. I heard from my upstate NY dentists that UB has a very very good post dental cosmetic dentistry program... THough, I can't judge their dental program by their postdent one. So, as far as me, I am stuck between the NY schools - I would prob pick Stony Brook over UB and NYU, and about COlumbia I don't really know, since i did not get the interview yet

Well, hopefully we'll hear more from the actual dental students of Stony Brook and other schools besides UBTom and StarGirl

RsawPo

StarGirl · Oct 27, 2003

did you read doggie's response? he's from columbia too

hmm postden cosmetic dentistry??? that's pretty interesting... but it's not a speciality...... care to give us more info on it?

back to immuno.

rsawpo · Oct 27, 2003

I can't tell more info, he mentioned one post dent program , I think it was cosmetic surgery - however, don't hold me to that.... it is always good to take things with grain of salt, which i do take even my words - so forgive if I was not precise, cause i can't be at this point in time.

RaiderNation · Oct 27, 2003

keep puffin' away on that crack pipe UB40. You'll need it as a way to "get away" when your dental practice fails, I'm sure. :clap:

RaiderNation · Oct 27, 2003

igual UB, ne le sirves a nadie

UBTom · Oct 27, 2003

to Stargirl and Rsawpo:

Yep, aesthetics is not a specialty, but a lot of the restorative discipline involves aesthetics, which is something that a general dentist can do.

What Buffalo has is an Esthetic Dentistry Education Center, which is equipped with some of the latest gear and materials for doing cosmetic restorations and is available to AEGD residents as well as dental students. What we do is bring in our own patients and do the restorations under the supervision of the EDEC instructors we sign up with. I've done one case of resin veneers up there at EDEC so far.

The link: http://www.buffaloce.org/edec/

They also provide CE programs for practicing dentists as well (fulfills Continuing Ed licensing requirements for dentists in New York State as well as others).

I don't know about Stony or Columbia, but NYUCD by the way also has a clinic dedicated to aesthetic dentistry. VERY nicely equipped too.

Both places are furnished and equipped very lavishly-- The NYUCD Larry Rosenthal Center for Aesthetic Dentistry in particular looks like a million bucks with mahogany paneling, frosted glass, plush carpeting, chairs and chandeliers. The settings are designed to be pleasant to the patients, and the equipment is designed to be non-threatening as well. When I did the veneers at EDEC I used the Kavo electric high-speed handpiece that was available there, and those are a lot quieter than the normal air-turbine high-speeds (which has that high-pitched whine). In such a setting, most of the time the patients are so relaxed that they actually fall asleep in the chair while you work on them, contrary to what the ***** obsessed with smoking crack known as Raidernation will tell you.

I'm sure the readers can see from Raidernation's pointless, childish disruptive rants that he is of absolutely no use to anyone.

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