Best Schools for specialization preparation

[snarlytooth]

Which schools have the reputation for turning out a high percentage of specialists? I know we have a thread open for best GD schools but I was curious which schools turn out specialists?????

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[Zurich5]

Harvard

 

[PERFECT3435]

definately UCONN.

just check their stats!

 

[predentchick]

How are Indiana and Colorado? What are their numbers like? I heard a number of 25% of graduates for CO at my interview. True?

 

[KMF]

At my Harvard interview, they said that last year, 33 out of 34 people specialized after receiving their DMD. At UConn, they said 40% specialize, 40% seek further education (GPR's and AEGD's), and 20% either go into private practice or into academia. Penn seemed to send a lot of people off as well. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was something like 40% as well. I haven't heard the statistics from Columbia yet, but I've heard that they have a good reputation for sending people to specialize as well.

 

[snarlytooth]

wow, perfect i really didnt realize that..... i am seriously considering UCONN anyways because its my "regional" school but I didnt know they had much of a reputation besides having the #1 board scores in the country. How do you feel about learning all the unnecessary medical information? That really turned me off but with the pricetag that the school has its almost too hard to pass up.

 

[Comet208]

I have heard that NYU also sends lots of students to specialty programs.

also, out of 4 students from Creightin who applied to ortho last year, 3 got in. thats 75% placement rate for ORTHO!!!! WOW!!

Comet!

 

[predentchick]

Creighton

 

[bort]

Penn's website has some random stats on this, so I'll post them. The students here do decently getting into specialty programs...

<b><u>Class of 2003:</b></u>
OMFS: 11 out of 12 matched
Ortho: 12 out of 17 matched
Pedo: 6 out of 8 matched
AEGD: 7 out of 7 matched
GPR: 20 out of 20 matched

19 others matched into Endo, Perio or Prosthodontic programs (I don't know out of how many).

<b><u>Other Years:</b></u>
60 out of 68 matched in 2002 (only 8 out of 14 matched in Ortho).
57 out of 63 matched in 2000 (40 with their first choice).

Usually, there are between 110-115 students in a class including international students that are at Penn just for two years. Hope that helps.

 

[scandalouslj]

Penn, Columbia, and Uconn are supposed to be the best for specialization. Indiana also has very amazing stats for a state school getting something like 7 people in ortho last year.

 

[arns51]

I would be careful about chosing a school just because they have a high percentage of people specializing. If you are committed to specializing and driven you can definetly do it at ANY school you attend. And I would much rather enjoy the school that I am at rather than choose one I dont feel as comfortable at just to specialize. But if you love the school and a lot of people match from that school then do it.

Also, ive always wondered if it made more sense to go to a school that had lower average stats. One could presumable be more competitive at that school and place higher in their class. Which is a big factor in getting into a specialty program. But who knows.

I have no clue if im going to want to specialize so ill go to the school I like the best and try to work hard enough to keep my options open.

 

[PERFECT3435]

Originally posted by KMF
At UConn, they said 40% specialize, 40% seek further education (GPR's and AEGD's), and 20% either go into private

i was told at UCONN that the # was more like 80% that get into specialty program.

 

[pixies_fan]

Originally posted by PERFECT3435
i was told at UCONN that the # was more like 80% that get into specialty program.

that's including GPR/AEGD

 

[Supernumerary]

I would be careful about chosing a school just because they have a high percentage of people specializing. If you are committed to specializing and driven you can definetly do it at ANY school you attend. And I would much rather enjoy the school that I am at rather than choose one I dont feel as comfortable at just to specialize. But if you love the school and a lot of people match from that

I used to feel the same way, Perfect, but now I'm not so sure. If you can get into one of those schools with a good rep among specialty programs I think you're chances to specialize are going to be much better than if you go to a state school that normally only places the top 10% or so. If you absolutely know you want to specialize the place to be is at one of those schools that match 40-50% of the class. I know it has a lot to do with the fact that the people who want to specialize choose those schools in the first place, but you do have to admit that it matters. For example, 20th in the class from the Medical University of Alabama is not going to get ortho, while 20th in the class from Harvard or UConn is practically a shoe-in. Just some thoughts.

 

[NewNameForGoogleBot]

20th in the class? A shoe in? For ortho?! I don't care where you went to school, there's no way this is true.

 

[Supernumerary]

Well, you got me there, jaap. Make it perio.

 

[UBTom]

My thoughts, having seen the postgrad application process up close and personal:

If you have:

1) a great GPA,

2) a great National Board score,

3) done research,

4) minored in whichever discipline you are thinking of specializing in if your school offers the minor, and

5) networked with the program directors who run the programs you are thinking of applying to (such as through a junior-year summer externship or something), including taking advantage of nepotism if applicable (heh heh),

You are going to get in/match SOMEWHERE no matter which dental school you went to.

I'd say it's 50% hard work, 25% who you know, and 25% dumb, blind luck.

 

[NewNameForGoogleBot]

Originally posted by Supernumerary
Well, you got me there, jaap. Make it perio.

For sure

 

[burton117]

Does anybody know of any statistics that profile as an aggregate whole what perentage of dentists specialize on a school by school basis. On this thread, it only looks like there only are comments, not any proof or numbers to back it up.

I am just curious if anybody out there has doumentation on those kinds of class profile numbers.

Of course, please feel free to post anything if you even have heard statistics for your own school, then maybe we can compile the aggregate statistics from all U.S. schools on this tread!

Dave

 

[gryffindor]

SUNY Buffalo stats look something like this for the Class of 2004:

Ortho: 6 out of 7
Pedo: 4 out of 5
OMS: 2 out of 4
Prostho: 1 out of 1
Perio: 1 out of 1

This is out of a class of 90 students.

No one applied to Endo or any of the other specialties. As far as matching stats into AEGDs or GPRs, pretty much anybody that wants to do one will end up in one b/c there are always tons of programs that have spots open after the match.

But one thing to remember whenever you see numbers like these is there are always students who end up specializing after being out of school for a year or more. I know in my class, many (myself included) are debating and intending to specialize after we graduate. Specialties like Prostho and especially Endo WANT to see experience in their candidates after dental school before accepting them into post-grad.

 

[discolphie]

anyone have an idea on umich stats?

 

[grettlin2]

How about USC?

 

[KMF]

I wish I still had the piece of paper that Harvard gave me at the interview, but I remember that something like 34/35 people went on to specialize. If I can find the paper with the exact numbers, I'll post them later. Harvard basically told me that anybody who wants to specialize will be able to in whatever they choose. IT seemed that oral surgery and ortho were the most popular. I'm sure there's someone else on SDN though who got the same info that could help me out with specific numbers.

UCLA told me that 60% of their graduates go on to specialize. I agree with the others that UConn, Columbia, and Penn are good as well. I think UCSF has a very similar number to UCLA.

UOP and Tufts both told me that 20% of their students specialize. They didn't tell me what number actually applied to specialize, so for all I know they could have 100% match.

 

[krishhhhh]

Hi,
any one has any idea about the UCSF post graduation chances and what is the average NDB scores and GPA to get in to program like ortho.
I will be happy if some one can show some light on that

Have a nice day

 

[mlonier]

Umich Stats

AGED/GPR: 26 out of 27
Endo: 2 out of 2
OS: 1 out of 3
Ortho: 5 out of 6
Pedo: 5 out of 6
Perio: 4 out of 4
Prostho: 0 out of 1

class size 105

 

[Spangler_Egon]

*oops* My mistake -- I meant 4 out of 4 for OMFS (thanks for the heads-up, Bill)

(in response to KMF's request)

HSDM Class of 2003 Stats (33 total students in class):

Ortho: 9 (out of 9) = (27% of class)
Perio: 7 (out of 7) = (21%)
Endo: 6 (out of 6) = (18%)
OMFS: 4 (out of 4) = (12%)
Pedo: 2 (out of 2) = (6%)
Prosth: 1 (out of 1) = (3%)
GPR: 1 (out of 1) = (3%)


Private Practice: 1 = (3%)
Community Dentistry: 1 = (3%)
Research/Academics: 1 = (3%)
_____________________
Total: 33 (out of 33 total students)



[Note: Percentages add up to 99% due to rounding]

 

[aphistis]

Originally posted by Spangler_Egon
OMFS: 4 (out of 3) = (12%)

Wow...133% match rate for OMS? That's pretty commendable.

 

[blankguy]

Interesting thread. I am interested in knowing generally what ranking ranges end up in which specialties.

 

[aphistis]

Originally posted by blankguy
Interesting thread. I am interested in knowing generally what ranking ranges end up in which specialties.

You make it sound like a) there's some sort of caste system for specialization, where only the feeble bottom-dwellers plan to pursue something as pedestrian as general dentistry (mention that to the folks at DT and see what it gets), and b) specialty admissions offices are hiding a hard-and-fast numerical formula somewhere that automatically and inflexibly decides who gets in and who doesn't. The amount of variability in programs is huge; yeah, you generally need to be near the top to gain acceptance to competitive residencies straight out of school, but that's just that--a generality. The process is flexible, fluid, and doesn't obey a bullet list you can memorize and spit back out. Consider it a first encounter with how life outside school actually works.

Plenty of very accomplished dental students decide to pursue general dentistry straight out of school. Sometimes I get the impression that a lot of pre-dents think being a GP is somehow beneath them. I'll withhold my further thoughts on that topic.

 

[blankguy]

Originally posted by aphistis
You make it sound like a) there's some sort of caste system for specialization, where only the feeble bottom-dwellers plan to pursue something as pedestrian as general dentistry (mention that to the folks at DT and see what it gets), and b) specialty admissions offices are hiding a hard-and-fast numerical formula somewhere that automatically and inflexibly decides who gets in and who doesn't. The amount of variability in programs is huge; yeah, you generally need to be near the top to gain acceptance to competitive residencies straight out of school, but that's just that--a generality. The process is flexible, fluid, and doesn't obey a bullet list you can memorize and spit back out. Consider it a first encounter with how life outside school actually works.

Plenty of very accomplished dental students decide to pursue general dentistry straight out of school. Sometimes I get the impression that a lot of pre-dents think being a GP is somehow beneath them. I'll withhold my further thoughts on that topic.

That's not what I meant. I meant to get a general sampling of the stats. Maybe it was the wrong way to ask about this.

 

[aphistis]

Originally posted by blankguy
That's not what I meant. I meant to get a general sampling of the stats. Maybe it was the wrong way to ask about this.

That last post of mine wasn't directed specifically at you, blankguy; you've always seemed to have a pretty earnest desire in learning as much as you can about anything involving dentistry. The only problem with what you're asking is that finding out exactly what kind of people get admitted to a particular program is just hard as snot to figure out with any accuracy. Maybe more specialty students are hanging around that can shed at least a little more light.

 

[blankguy]

Originally posted by aphistis
That last post of mine wasn't directed specifically at you, blankguy; you've always seemed to have a pretty earnest desire in learning as much as you can about anything involving dentistry. The only problem with what you're asking is that finding out exactly what kind of people get admitted to a particular program is just hard as snot to figure out with any accuracy. Maybe more specialty students are hanging around that can shed at least a little more light.

Understood. Admissions info are an inexact science.

The first thing I have to do is get admitted to a dental school, which in itself is an odyssey for me.

 

[Woodsy]

Class of 2003 Match results for Columbia

GPR 27
AEGD 15
ENDO 3
OMFS 5
Oral Patho 1
Ortho 4
Ped. Dent 6
Perio 3
Prosth. 3
Private Prac. 1
Uniformed Serv (army) 3
NHSC 1
Already Specialized Perio- 1
None sought 2 ????

71/74= 96% not bad..not sure if you include GPR though, so that would make it closer to 61%

 

[UBTom]

If we are talking about specialization residencies only, then you have to exclude both GPR and AEGD-- Both are residencies geared towards general dentistry.

You would also have to exclude those HPSP people (unless those candidates are going into a specialty program run by the military).

Columbia's class of 2003 has 26 going into specialty training out of a class of 74 = 35%.

That said, 35% is a pretty good specialization rate though.

HTH.

 

[Woodsy]

thanks Tom for the heads up.

Yeah i don't evenn know what AEGD is...

 

[Calculus1]

It stands for Avanced Education in General Dentistry, and it's a great way to improve speed and skill before beginning private practice.

 

[Dentalist]

This is a little off-topic but can someone please clarify the differences between AEGD and GPR? Thanks.

 

[blankguy]

Originally posted by Dentalist
This is a little off-topic but can someone please clarify the differences between AEGD and GPR? Thanks.

Also I notice that some of the people who end up in AEGD or GPR go on to specialize later on.

 

[aphistis]

Originally posted by blankguy
Also I notice that some of the people who end up in AEGD or GPR go on to specialize later on.

Why are you so focused on specialization, blankguy? Do you think you'd be dissatisfied working as a GP?

 

[blankguy]

Originally posted by aphistis
Why are you so focused on specialization, blankguy? Do you think you'd be dissatisfied working as a GP?

No, it would be way too premature for me to say that. I am just making a point about people who end updoing it. I checked out Nova(which has an excellent site) and noticed people that had GPR who ended up specializing.

 

[preludexl]

Originally posted by Supernumerary
I used to feel the same way, Perfect, but now I'm not so sure. If you can get into one of those schools with a good rep among specialty programs I think you're chances to specialize are going to be much better than if you go to a state school that normally only places the top 10% or so. If you absolutely know you want to specialize the place to be is at one of those schools that match 40-50% of the class. I know it has a lot to do with the fact that the people who want to specialize choose those schools in the first place, but you do have to admit that it matters. For example, 20th in the class from the Medical University of Alabama is not going to get ortho, while 20th in the class from Harvard or UConn is practically a shoe-in. Just some thoughts.

 

[UBTom]

Originally posted by Dentalist
This is a little off-topic but can someone please clarify the differences between AEGD and GPR? Thanks.

Heya,

AEGD programs are usually dental-school-based, while GPRs are usually hospital-based. Though I think in some programs the lines are beginning to blur, what with some AEGD programs like the one at NYU adopting extensive hospital rotations.