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What are the best and easily understandable TEE and ultrasound point of care for acute emergency in anesthesia courses on line. Which of these courses is ABA and ASA approved for certification and CME Purposes.
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University of utah. Free.What are the best and easily understandable TEE and ultrasound point of care for acute emergency in anesthesia courses on line. Which of these courses is ABA and ASA approved for certification and CME Purposes.
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I’m perhaps biased, as a current CT fellow... But I think there are a couple of levels of complexity to TEE:
Level one: what chambers/valves am I looking at? Is everything moving? Is the patient dying because of PE with R heart strain, tamponade, dissection, etc?
Level one most anesthesiologists should graduate residency knowing how to do. Don’t think it’s something you need a course to learn.
Anything beyond that (grading severity of valve lesions, making hemodynamic calculations, more sophisticated assessment of ventricular function, etc) I think you need more than a weekend course. This is an area where it’s VERY tempting to think you know what you’re looking at, and you don’t realize until you learn more how much you don’t know. Acting on bad (or wrongly interpreted) data is worse than no data at all.
Possible exception for folks who are very facile with cardiac POCUS TTE and just need to learn how to read the images “backward” (guessing this mostly applies to the ICU crowd).
I don’t mean to be a grump, and of course I want to encourage lifelong learning and skill acquisition yada yada. Just cautioning that TEE isn’t something learned casually during a weekend course. If it were, the fellowship would be a lot shorter.
Also, sorry I didn't catch the part about CME or certification. I just recommended this to improve your proficiency.University of utah. Free.
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What are the best and easily understandable TEE and ultrasound point of care for acute emergency in anesthesia courses on line. Which of these courses is ABA and ASA approved for certification and CME Purposes.
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That kinda **** seems to be part of our osce's now. Unfortunately we don't really have a choice on whether or not we should be able to use echo.I cant fathom why one would want to make a potentially life saving or life ending decision based on an online course.
Will you stand up and tell the surgeon this is tamponade crack the chest, or this is a type A, or this is a pe with strain thrombolyse the arresting cesarean section. All things I've done this month while literally praying I wasn't wrong. Remeber your generalist anesthesia opinion isnt up for scrutiny, your echo loops are
But if you do then ptemasters and the sccm course for tte is by far the best. Next in line in Mathews excellent tee and perrinos book.
But in reality, don't just don't.
I cant fathom why one would want to make a potentially life saving or life ending decision based on an online course.
Will you stand up and tell the surgeon this is tamponade crack the chest, or this is a type A stickyourcannula there , or this is a pe with strain thrombolyse the arresting cesarean section. All things I've done this month while literally praying I wasn't wrong. Remeber your generalist anesthesia opinion isnt up for scrutiny, your echo loops are
But if you do then ptemasters and the sccm course for tte is by far the best. Next in line in Mathews excellent tee and perrinos book.
But in reality, don't just don't.
This includes performing 2-3 full exams ourselves each day, spending time with the simulator, reading interesting echoes for 1+hr per day with faculty.
First and foremost: we as anesthesiologists are doctors and we should be able to learn anything any other doctors know, which includes TEE.
However, this whole thread reminds me of when a ped friend asked me how to administer sedation safely so she could do it with lowered liability.... the answer is to be able to intubate the patient until the sedation wears off. But she wanted me to tell me something like "as long as you push less than 120mcg of fentanyl, the sedation is always safe and she will never have liability". But she was unwilling to take on the responsibility of intubating the child which actually meant her liability actually increased during the sedation. TEE is just like that, you can't just learn crash course over a weekend and lower your liability. The dunning-kruger effect will actually increase your liability.
If you want to lower you liability, the answer is to be as good as the next guy doing TEE every day which means go all out and learn everything the next guy knows. Otherwise when you have liability assessment, the question is always going to be "why didn't you get the more experienced guy to do it?" So truly the only to lower your liability is to be just as good as the next guy on paper, which means a minimum advanced PTEexam testamur, if not certification.
weekend/online courses are designed to take your money and give you a false sense of achievement. Really does nothing for you clinically.
If you want to start learning TEE, my advice is to start with perino and reeves book. Toronto has a free website with simulator that shows how the probe works, buy PTEmasters to see the extended range of things to learn, subscribe to Zimmerman's daily emails, drive the probe whenever you can. etc. I was able to become a testamur doing these things. But none of these is a quick fix that lowers your liability. And even as a testamur before CT fellowship, the experience of doing all the cases during fellowship is what really made my liability lower.
Disclaimer: did a cardiac fellowship. 100% agree.
We had one of the general guys drop a TEE probe in somebody overnight (without calling us) and call a regional wall motion abnormality where there was none. Big deal obviously. Not saying nobody should learn TEE without fellowship training, but a wrong call/bad outcome would be highly scrutinized.
By all means, learn echo. It’s not “off limits”, and learning is great- I applaud the initiative. But I don’t think taking a weekend course and then making high stakes calls based on your TEE interpretations “decreases liability”. It’s much more likely that you will open yourself up to Monday morning quarterbacking