Better chance at a competitive residency: From a DO school or the Caribbean?

[dmitrinyr]

I was wondering whether I can have the same opportunity to battle for a competitive residency (allopathic residency) (derm, anesthesiology, plastic surgery as well as other surgery specialities, opthalmology, etc.) given that I would have a competitive score on USMLE step 1, good grades, a publication or two, good recommendations, etc. if I were to do these things at NYCOM or at St. George's University in Grenada. I have heard varying opinions regarding this issue and would very much appreciate opinions.

Thanks.

dmitri

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[Apollyon]

This topic has been beaten to death, resuscitated, decapitated, decimated, eradicated, resurrected, repaired, crushed, chewed up, been spit out, and bounced back for another round of vicious, slashing, hammering "discussion" almost more times than you can count.

Search for this topic, and you'll get a "wealth" of information.

In a nutshell, you're close to being behind the 8-ball for residencies like derm or plastics no matter where you're from. At the same time, though, that's the 'instant karma'. Many people do fellowships in what they want, or research beforehand, so, eventually, they get into practice in the field they want.

 

[ParisHilton]

Why not just look at the previous match lists from both schools and then decide?

 

[Adapt]

In anesthesiology, NYCOM-26 and SGU-5
In EM, NYCOM-16 and SGU-19
In orthopedic surgery, NYCOM-1 and SGU-1
In PM&R, NYCOM-8 and SGU-2
In general surgery, NYCOM-7 and SGU-43
In neurosurgery, NYCOM-2 and SGU-0
In facial plastic surgery, NYCOM-1 and SGU-0
In opthomalogy, NYCOM-1 and SGU-1
In radiology, NYCOM-4 and SGU-0

---NYCOM 2003 Matchlist---
Anesthesia: 26
Cleveland Clinic
Einstein, NY (3)
Univ of Chicago
Univ of Wisconsin
Yale
NYU
Suny Downstate (5)
Maimonides, NY
Metroheath, OH
Temple, Philadelphia, PA
Univ of Mass, MA
UConn, CT
Univ Buffalo, NY
Metrohealth Med Ctr (OH)
Stony Brook, NY
Westchester Med Ctr, NY (NYMC)

Emergency Medicine:
Beth Israel, New York, NY
LIJ/ Einstein, NY (2)
North Shore Univ Hospitals, Manhasset, NY
Univ at Buffalo (2)
Newark Beth Israel, NJ
Albert Einstein, Philadelphia, PA
St. Barnabus, NY (6)
St. Barnabus, NY EM/IM Combined
UMDNJ, Kennedy Memorial (EM/IM Combined)

Family Practice:
Good Samaritan, NY
New York United Hospital
Mercy Hospital, PA
St. Claires, NY, NY
Union Hospital, NJ (2)
Northside Hospital, FL
St. Barnabus, NY (3)
St. Josephs, Syracuse NY
Overlook Hospital, NJ (2)
Somerset Med Ctr, NJ
UMDNJ (2)
Univ of Pittsburgh

General Surgery:
Doctor's Hospital, OH
Stony Brook, NY
Maimonides Med Ctr, NY
Nassau Univ Med Ctr, NY
St. Vincents, NY, NY
Wyckoff Heights Med Ctr, NY, NY
St. Barnabus, NY

OTO-Facial/Plastic Surgery
Northeast Regional Medical Ctr, MO

Internal Medicine:
Beth Israel, New York, NY (4)
George Washington Univ, DC
Hershey, Penn State
Kaiser Perm, CA
Lennox Hill, NY (2)
Loma Linda, CA
LIJ, NY
Mt. Sinai School of Medicine, NY (2)
North Shore Univ Hospitals, Manhasset (2)
New York Hospital, NY, NY (6)
St Josephs, AZ
SUNY Stony Brook, NY
Univ of Southern California
Univ of Tennessee, Nashville
UMNDNJ- Newark (2)
UMDNJ- Robert Wood (4)
Univ of Mass, Worcester, MA
Westchester Medical Ctr, NY
Winthrop Univ Hospital, NY (6)
Yale University, New Haven CT (2)

Neurology:
Albany Med, NY
LIJ, NY
North Shore Univ Hospital, Manhasset, NY
UMDNJ- Newark

NeuroSurgery:
Doctors Hospital, OH (2)

OB/Gyn
Albany Med (3)
Beth Israel, NY, NY
MCP Hahnemann, Philadelphia, PA
Michigan State, Lansing, MI
St Francis, CT
St. Vincents, NY, NY
Univ Buffalo, NY

Optho:
Univ Buffalo, NY

Orthopedic Surgery:
St. Vincents, New York, NY (NYMC)

Pathology:
St. Lukes-Roosevelt, NY
SUNY, Syracuse, NY

Peds:
LIJ, NY
Good Samaritan, NY (2)
Stony Brook (3)
Suny Downstate (3)
Univ Buffalo
Winthrop Univ Hospital (3)

PM&R:
Harvard
Einstein, NY
LIJ, NY (2)
Mt Sinai School of Medicine, NY
NYU School of Medicine
St. Vincents, NY, NY
Univ of Michigan, Ann Arbor

Psychiatry:
LIJ, NY
Maimonides, NY
St. Lukes-Roosevelt- Columbia (2)
Stony Brook (2)
Thomas Jefferson, Philadelphia, PA
Univ of Mass

Radiology (Diagnostic)
MCP Hahnemann
Harlem Hospital, NY, NY
Nassau Univ Med Ctr, NY
St. Barnabus, NY, NY

 

[Adapt]

---SGU 2003 Matchlist---
Anesthesiology
Charles Ciolino: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Alireza Farrohi: University of Miami-Jackson Memorial Medical Center
Melissa Kokoszka: St. Barnabas Medical Center
John Lesko: Shands Hospital at the University of Florida
Donald Thornton: Via Christi Regional Medical Center-St. Francis

Emergency Medicine
Shamim Amini: University Hospital-SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse
Adam Cooper: Albert Einstein Medical Center
Indrani Datta: New York Methodist Hospital
Jason Fischer: Alameda County Medical Center
Jason Greenbaum: Detroit Receiving Hospital and University Health Center
David Groman: Sinai-Grace Hospital
Phuong Ho: Sinai-Grace Hospital
Mark Hogan: SUNY at Buffalo Grad Medical-Dental Education Consortium
Tony Kanluen: Henry Ford Hospital
Lisa Keough: University Hospital-SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse
Stanley Koontz: Wright State University School of Medicine
Joseph Koza: Brooklyn Hospital Center
James McPencow: Sinai-Grace Hospital
Richard Petrik: New York Presbyterian Hospital
Craig Robinson: Detroit Receiving Hospital and University Health Center
Amina Siddiqui: New York Methodist Hospital
Aaron Smith: Saginaw Cooperative Hospitals Inc.
Jeremy Wood: Spectrum Health-Downtown Campus

Family Practice:
Michelle Ababa: Kern Medical Center
Catharine Bass: St. Joseph's Hospital Health Center
Bryon Boley: Kalamazoo Center for Medical Studies
Gordon Clark: University Medical Center (Lafayette)
Rae Connolly: Sacred Heart Hospital
Shane Cummings: St. Mary Hospital
Amy DeLuca: University of Louisville School of Medicine
Philip Dennis, Jr.: Trover Clinic Foundation
Roshinie Fernando: Kaleida Health System (Millard Fillmore Hospitals)
Walter Finan: Bryn Mawr Hospital
Michael Girgis: Methodist Hospitals of Dallas
Jasmin Grewal: Scottsdale Healthcare-Osborn
Arthur Halliday: East Carolina University School of Medicine
David Han: Glendale Adventist Medical Center
Olga Karantoni: New York Medical College
Eran Kessous: Boston Medical Center:
Sungwook Kim: Highland Hospital of Rochester
Arash Lalezary: Glendale Adventist Medical Center
Louis Landman: St. Vincent Hospital and Health Care Center
Mark Leatherwood: Memorial Medical Center
Kirby Orme: Mountainside Hospital
Philip Meyette: Munson Medical Center
Alexander Moore: St. Vincent's Medical Center
Jeremy Morse: University of Wyoming College of Health Sciences
John Murimi: Strong Memorial Hospital of the University of Rochester
Bao Nguyen: Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Danh Nguyen: Kern Medical Center
Denise Hong Nguyen: Southern California Kaiser Permanente Medical Group
Shephali Patel: Stamford Hospital
Joshua Payer: North Shore University Hospital at Glen Cove
Jennifer Peters: Bristol Regional Medical Center
Ryan Phasouk: University of Illinois College of Medicine at Rockford
Truong Quach: Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Adam Rhodes: Scottsdale Healthcare-Osborn
Khalid Sabha: St. Elizabeth Medical Center
Rajveer Sachdev: University of Maryland Medical System
Amir Salek: University of Wyoming College of Health Sciences
Kathleen Schaefer: Mayo Graduate School of Medicine-Mayo Foundation
Matthew Sokol: Southside Hospital
Michael Tahir: LSU Medical Center-University Hospital
Richard Thwaites: Baylor Medical Center at Garland
Jason Todd: DCH Regional Medical Center
Kenneth Yeung: Brooklyn Hospital Center

 

[Adapt]

---SGU 2003 Matchlist cont'd---
Internal Medicine:
Soroush Aghigh: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
Fariha Ahmed: Allegheny General Hospital
Sameer Ambady: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center-Roosevelt Division
Deena Athas: Staten Island University Hospital
Bhagat Aulakh: OSF St. Francis Medical Center
Robby Ayoub: St. Michael's Medical Center (Cathedral Health Svcs, Inc)
Susana Ayyanathan: Lenox Hill Hospital
Nison Badalov: Maimonides Medical Center
Eldar Baigabatov: Long Island College Hospital
Shelley Bath: Mount Sinai School of MedicineLuiz Coelho: Albany Medical Center
Adam Baumgarten: California Pacific Medical Center
Betsy Jacob Bennet: Washington Hospital Center
Kenneth Bennet: Washington Hospital Center
Igor Berengolts: Sisters of Charity Health Care System-St. Vincent's Campus
Roy Berenholtz: Flushing Hospital Medical Center
Cheryl Bloomfield: Lehigh Valley Hospital
Brian Borkowski: University of Connecticut School of Medicine
Carol Bravo: University of Miami-Jackson Memorial Medical Center
Scott Card: Greater Baltimore Medical Center
Gregory Cartnick: Jersey Shore Medical Center
Julie Champagne: Long Island College Hospital
David Chu: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Victor Chang: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Krishna Chunduri: St. Louis University School of Medicine
Edward Cheng: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
Wen Chung: Elmhurst Hospital Center-Mount Sinai Services
Victor Coelho: Medical College of Georgia Hospital and Clinics
Bianca Conti: Mercy Medical Center
Michelle Cooper: Brooklyn Hospital Center
Steven Corvari: Norwalk Hospital
Joseph DeLuca: University of Louisville School of Medicine
Chirag Desai: East Carolina University School of Medicine
William Duggan: Wilson Memorial Regional Medical Center (United Health Svs)
Kale Ferguson: Lehigh Valley Hospital
Helen Ferng: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
Justin Fox: Long Island College Hospital
Monisha Garg: Medical College of Georgia Hospital and Clinics
Wendy Gaza: St. Louis University Hospital
Kristof Gehrke: Marshfield Clinic - Saint Joseph's Hospital
Matthew Gembala: University Medical Center
Maha Ghosn: St. Michael's Medical Center (Cathedral Health Svcs, Inc)
Raymond Giammanco: George Washington University School of Medicine
Kunal Grover: UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Jonathan Grossman: Atlantic City Medical Center
Jeffrey Groves: University of Utah Medical Center
Joan Guevarra: Allegheny General Hospital
David Guarraia: University of Arizona College of Medicine
Mark Gullapalli: Brooklyn Hospital Center
Bharat Gummadi: University of Florida College of Medicine at Jacksonville
Peyman Haghighat: LAC-King / Drew Medical Center
Michael Harris: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Tal Hazan: Providence Hospital and Medical Centers
Andrew Hemmen: Lenox Hill Hospital
James Holmes: University of Utah Medical Center
Suleman Iqbal: MCP Hahnemann University
Chukwuemeka Iroha: University of Nevada School of Medicine
Saima Jabeen: Jersey Shore Medical Center
Shahriar Jarchi: University Medical Center of Southern Nevada
Nikesh Jasani: University of Florida College of Medicine at Jacksonville
Shaolay Jiang: NYU Downtown Hospital
Prasanthi Kakumanu: University Hospital-SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse
Sowmya Kanikkannan: St. John Hospital and Medical Center
Jon Karl: Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
Christi Kim: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Eugene Kim: West Suburban Hospital Medical Center:
Tibor Kalnoki-Kis: University of Michigan Hospitals and Health Centers
Yakoub Katri: Long Island College Hospital
Amit Kaushal: Brooklyn Hospital Center
Farhana Khan: Long Island College Hospital
John Koo: LAC-King/Drew Medical Center
Mark Kotlarewsky: Washington Hospital Center
Sheng Kuo: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Sanjay Kulkarni: Atlantic City Medical Center
Sanjay Kunapuli: University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals
Christina Le: Kaiser Permanente Medical Center (Santa Clara)
Jack Lu: University Hospital-SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse
Jason Lu: Atlantic City Medical Center
Srikanth Malempati: MCP Hahnemann University
Amee Mapara: Albany Medical Center
Leo Marcoff: University of Connecticut School of Medicine
Don-Antonio Martin: SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn
Selvam Mascarenhas: Norwalk Hospital
Ali Masood: Albany Medical Center
Victor Mazza: UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Sally-Ann McIntosh: Long Island College Hospital
Kamini Mehta: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
Arlena Menda: Kern Medical Center
Reza Mostofi: MCP Hahnemann University
Dean Mozeleski: Geisinger Medical Center
Mahendra Narendran: University of Massachusetts Medical School
Joseph Nesheiwat: University of Tennessee College of Medicine
Han Nguyen: Stamford Hospital
Vien Nguyen: Medical Center of Central Georgia
Khalid Noori: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
Peyman Otmishi: University of Louisville School of Medicine
Larry Owens: University of Utah Medical Center
Siera Panhwar: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
Dipal Patel: St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
Krupa Patel: Maricopa Medical Center
Asit Patnaik: Seton Hall University School of Graduate Medical Education
Soteri Polydorou: Lenox Hill Hospital
Lyle Posecion: Long Island College Hospital
John Rajapakse: St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center
Sumita Rawal: Sound Shore Medical Center of Westchester
James Rinkle: Seton Hall University School of Graduate Medical Education
Veronika Romashova: Maimonides Medical Center
Dina Rosen: Alameda County Medical Center
Kristin Royal: Graduate Hospital (Tenet Health System)
Ravin Rupani: University of Connecticut School of Medicine
Noreen Sakowitz: Atlantic City Medical Center
Gary Sandhu: Kern Medical Center
Anand Saranathan: Loyola University Medical Center
Hakima Schulz: Orlando Regional Medical Center
Hiral Shah: Washington Hospital Center
Kuan Shen: Flushing Hospital Medical Center
Sunita Sidhu: Winthrop-University Hospital
Manzurul Sikder: UMDNJ-University Hospital
Shibu Skaria: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
James Snay: University of Illinois College of Medicine at Urbana
Sherry Sood: Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
Brian Sorin: Flushing Hospital Medical Center
Charles Starke, II: Flushing Hospital Medical Center
Prasanth Surampudi: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Robert Stanley: Albany Medical Center
Fathimazzohare Syed: Winthrop-University Hospital
Kirti Tandon: NYU Downtown Hospital
Deepak Thiagarajan: Norwalk Hospital
Hui Hing Tin: Maimonides Medical Center
Dan Tong: University of Massachusetts Medical School
Mitesh Trambadia: St. Michael's Medical Center (Cathedral Health Svcs, Inc)
Konstantin Vaizman: Maimonides Medical Center
Kevin Vakili: Brooklyn Hospital Center
Roham Vatanparast: San Joaquin General Hospital
Kaninika Verma: OSF St. Francis Medical Center
Phong Vo: Alameda County Medical Center
Carrie Wasserman: Lenox Hill Hospital
Johan Worndle: Allegheny General Hospital
Jeffrey Yaiko: Geisinger Medical Center
Irim Yusuf: St. Vincent's Hospital and Medical Center of New York
Michel Zakari: Alameda County Medical Center
Aaron Zuidema: University Hospitals and Clinics

Internal Medicine/Pediatrics:
Atique Ahmad: Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
Marc DeVito: UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Christine Hsu: Albany Medical Center
Edward Jernigan: Maine Medical Center
Subodh Pal: Ohio State University Medical Center
Abdul Parpia: West Virginia University Hospitals

Neurology:
Milan Sanghavi: Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
William Walters: University of Arkansas College of Medicine

Obstetrics and Gynecology:
Ramzi Alkass: University of Connecticut School of Medicine
Tatyana Andrews: Brooklyn Hospital Center
Oren Azulay: Albert Einstein Medical Center
Holly Balestrieri: Boston Medical Center
James Buchinger: University of Oklahoma College of Medicine
Phong Francois Bui: Tulane University School of Medicine
Chia-Ling Nhan-Chang: Staten Island University Hospital
Michael Cunningham: UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
Steven Granger: Eastern Virginia Medical School
Jessica Lee: Tulane University Hospital and Clinics
Hung Traw Luu: Tulane University School of Medicine
Bassem Maximos: Louisiana State University School of Medicine
Deeptha Nair: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Nicola Pemberton: Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
Maria Pimentel: Louisiana State University School of Medicine
Julia Riftine: Brooklyn Hospital Center
Kristina Sogocio: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Davin Soehnen: UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
Sara Stoneburg: Stamford Hospital
Irina Vaizman: Staten Island University Hospital
Lystra Wilson: North Oakland Medical Center

 

[Adapt]

---SGU 2003 Matchlist cont'd---
Ophthalmology
Nisha Patel: SUNY at Buffalo Grad Medical-Dental Education Consortium

Orthopaedic Surgery
William Dunbar, V: University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics

Otolaryngology
Nina Janatpour: LSU Medical Center-University Hospital

Pathology
Stefania Giobbe: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Derek Lyle: Cedars-Sinai Medical Center

Pediatrics
Ronda Adham: University of Nevada School of Medicine
Sara Ahmed: SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn
Shad Baab: East Carolina University School of Medicine
Lauren Blankstein: Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
Sureka Bollepalli: Albert Einstein Medical Center
Allyson Boodram: Clarian Riley Hospital for Children
Ninfa Candela: Winthrop-University Hospital
Marc ChesterInova Fairfax Hospital
Matthew Coulson: Children's Hospital of Orange County
Snehal Doshi: University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals
Kristi Egland: University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago
Nazli Ghafouri: Louisiana State University School of Medicine
Yvonne Giunta: SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn
Eric Hastriter: Pitt County Memorial Hospital
Omar Hudson: All Children's Hospital
Trent John: Nassau University Medical Center
Shiji John: Westchester Medical Center
Kashyar Khodabakhsh: New York Methodist Hospital
Tracey Krasnow: Clarian Riley Hospital for Children
Kumarsooriyar Kumaravelu: UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Jeff Kuo: Jersey City Medical Center
Richard Lehman: St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center
Calvin Lin: New York Methodist Hospital
Dimple Ludher: Crozer-Chester Medical Center
Ayman Mansour: New York Methodist Hospital
Alison McCrone: SUNY at Buffalo Grad Medical-Dental Education Consortium
Christian McDonough: Maimonides Medical Center
Janine Miller: SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn
Melanie O'Donnell: University of Nevada School of Medicine
Lauren Olson: University of Kansas Medical Center
Helen Papaioannou: North Shore University Hospital
Woo Paek: Miami Children's Hospital
Dinesh Pillai: Maimonides Medical Center
Dunisha Ranasuriya: SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn
Jennifer Rama: SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn
Shumyla Saeed: SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn
Babak Salimi: Clarian Riley Hospital for Children
Fiona K. M. Sanger: New York Medical College
Bianca Shah: University of Florida College of Medicine at Jacksonville
David Tran: University of Nevada School of Medicine
Michael Ulich: New York Medical College
Marko Vezmar: Miami Children's Hospital
William Webb: Memorial Health-University Medical Center

Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation:
Varinder Dhillon: SUNY at Buffalo Grad Medical-Dental Education Consortium
Ramnik Singh: New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus)

Psychiatry
Hasan Baloch: Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine
Lian Chien: LAC-King/Drew Medical Center
Sudhir Gadh: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Douglas Hoverkamp: University of Virginia Medical Center
Georges Karam: Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Clare Maxwell: University of South Dakota School of Medicine
David Reznik: University Hospital-SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse
Bryan Schwieters: Hennepin County Medical Center
Melinda Taylor: Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals, Inc.

Surgery
Neil Banga: UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School
Pierre Barakat: Maimonides Medical Center
Naira Baregamian: Maimonides Medical Center
Brian Binetti: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Michael Boros: Kalamazoo Center for Medical Studies
David Brennick: Michigan State University College of Human Medicine
Marko Bukur: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Mark Cavaretta: Monmouth Medical Center
Dean Cerio: SUNY at Buffalo Grad Medical-Dental Education Consortium
Christopher DeSantis: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Christopher DiBlasio: University of Tennessee College of Medicine
Michael Dolan: University Hospital and Clinics
Marc Ebersberger, Jr.: Medical College of Virginia Hospitals
Kelly Garrett: Albany Medical Center
Mandy Greenberg: Stamford Hospital
Patrick Greiffenstein: Louisiana State University School of Medicine
Kyle Harvey: St. Joseph Mercy-Oakland
Jennifer Hill: Lenox Hill Hospital
Brandon Howard: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Todd Huzar: New York Methodist Hospital
Omid Jazaeri: Lehigh Valley Hospital
Christian Kaufman: University Hospitals and Clinics
Ali Mahmood: St. Joseph Mercy-Oakland
Kavita Malhotra: LSU Medical Center-University Hospital
Christian McClung: Los Angeles County-Harbor-UCLA Medical Center
Grace Anne Montenegro: St. Vincent's Hospital and Medical Center of New York
Gregory Pakonis: Monmouth Medical Center
Garri Pasklinsky: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
A. Rice Petrie: University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine
Arundathi Rao: Morehouse School of Medicine
Steven Rottman: Union Memorial Hospital
Khaled Salhab: University Hospital-SUNY at Stony Brook
Kevin Scholten: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Saurin Shah: Albany Medical Center
Albert Shalomov: Monmouth Medical Center
Adam Silverman: Monmouth Medical Center
Ashton Stanton: North Shore University Hospital
Heather Thieme: York Hospital
Brandon Tominna: New York Medical College
Patricia Touzeau: Brooklyn Hospital Center
Ziyad Wadi: Staten Island University Hospital
Charles Wilson: Monmouth Medical Center

Transitional Year
Anita Ankola: St. Barnabas Medical Center
Matthew Boles: St. Joseph Mercy-Oakland
Daniel Constance: Hurley Medical Center
Ratna Garapati: St. Joseph Mercy-Oakland
Alekh Hira: Frankford Hospital (Frankford Campus)
Eugene Slocum: Maryland General Hospital
Isaac Spiteri: Griffin Hospital

 

[dmitrinyr]

thanks a lot slickness for the many posts with the match lists and data. I'll do a search to see the other opinions.

 

[VentdependenT]

Wonder how many of the 43 Gsurg where prelim years. Anyhoots pretty darn interesing.

 

[dmitrinyr]

Good point VentdependenT. Also, the numbers for general surgery and other specialities are somewhat deceiving because you don't know how many students at NYCOM applied for general surgery besides the seven that got them. In fact, I believe out of those 7, only two were allopathic residencies and the other five were osteopathic general surgery residencies (although I am not quite sure what is the real difference between the two). Either way, the 7 general surgery residencies is still probably the best for most osteopathic schools. The 43 gen. surgery residencies from SGU is pretty impressing because it is a good residency and 43 out of 250-350 graduating students is a pretty good ratio (eventhough the demand for general surgery has declined over the past few years).

The reason why I asked this question is that I am going to start next year and don't know yet which of the two schools I will be attending. I have a certain affinity for surgery meaning that I like it and look forward to doing my surgery rotation in med school. I would like to have every opportunity to compete for competitive residencies.

Thanks to all.

dmitri

 

[Jeff05]

a couple of quick comments.
1. if you want to really optimize your competitiveness for residency - i would suggest attending an american MD program.
when you're trying to match you'll find that issues like the location of residency, quality of program, resident schedules, etc. really do matter. by attending MD and doing well (grades, boards) you can tailor your life to whatever suits you.

2. it is very important to make the destinction between what you like and what you want to do. the truth is, most people like surgery (or the idea of surgery), but most of those do not chose it as a career. it definitely takes a certain kind of person to be a surgeon (if you've ever worked an 80 hour week (more like 90) and loved it, surgery is your bag). you'll figure that out during 3rd and 4th years though.

3. take everything that people say (including my post) with a grain of salt. after everything is said and done - your experience is unique. do what makes you happy (the key is understanding that medicine is just one element in the big picture).

 

[Freeeedom!]

Let me tell you, most residencies ACTIVELY limit the amount of island/FMG/IMG grads that enter into their residencies. The overwhelming feeling is that once you get them into the program...you will ALWAYS get them into your program and mainland graduate applicants will drop off or begin to rank your program lower and lower.
Therfore, you see some programs FILLED with IMG's and if they list the last three classes, you can even see a trend.
I know during our rank meetings, we only rank one or two FMG's in our ROL of 80, essentially for that reason.
Some programs, particularly IM and some FP are only FMG, and virtually no mainland grads will apply.
Osteopathic graduates either enter their own match or the allopathic match. It is clear (at least to me), that programs would prefer DO grads over FMG's.

 

[Seaglass]

Without a doubt DO is going to have an advantage over an FMG of any stripe. Just my opinion and what I have heard from PD's in different specialties here.

C

 

[VTHOKIE]

Sorry wrong post

 

[McGillGrad]

Without a doubt DO is going to have an advantage over an FMG of any stripe. Just my opinion and what I have heard from PD's in different specialties here.

C

That is quite a statement. "Without a doubt..." eh...lol

Let's be serious for a second. Both DO's and US Carib grads are bottom-of-the barrel when it comes to PDs.

The difference is that DOs have their own residencies in competitive specialties that gives them an overall advantage (osteo + allo) whereas even the best Carib grads are limited to allo residencies.

Making sweeping statements are the empty calories of discussions. It feels good at first, but it is ultimately irrelevant and unhelpful.

 

[frank51]

Let's be serious for a second. Both DO's and US Carib grads are bottom-of-the barrel when it comes to PDs.

Don't know about US Carib grads and FMGs, but as for DOs, for many competitive residencies that's not necessarily the case, like you said yourself, you shouldn't make such statements.

 

[BlondeDocteur]

Time for some good spleen venting....

It was quite sneaky of SGU to list all of their prelim surgery and IM matches as categoricals. And the fact that a facial plastics fellowship match made it into the mix means they were obviously combining many medical school classes.

 

[McGillGrad]

You seem to be confused about what dictates a general statement (based on bias) vs. a statement based on logic.

It is biased blanket statement to infer that DO's are undoubtedly at an advantage in every case over a Carib grad.

It is logical to place both non-allopathic DO's and non-LCME Carib USIMGs at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to allopathic residencies. The logic lies in the FACT that DO's purposely (or involuntarily) chose the osteopathic route. That places them bellow similarly qualified LCME allopathic applicants, by definition. Is this how it plays out in every case: who knows? What is clear is that it is true in the majority of cases.

Let me guess, you're a DO/DO student...

Don't know about US Carib grads and FMGs, but as for DOs, for many competitive residencies that's not necessarily the case, like you said yourself, you shouldn't make such statements.

 

[McGillGrad]

Time for some good spleen venting....

It was quite sneaky of SGU to list all of their prelim surgery and IM matches as categoricals. And the fact that a facial plastics fellowship match made it into the mix means they were obviously combining many medical school classes.

I expected more of SGU.

Nonethless, if you just adjust the page for only PGY-2's and search for Surgery, you will see that there are 24 people in their PGY2 year, thus the GS matches for 2007.

They have two classes per year that they report. I would venture to guess that since they accept about 500-700 people per year with a published <10% attrition rate would give you an idea of their relative match rate.

 

[earmuff]

I noticed the OP is now listed as a "resident"... Considering how old the post is, it would be interesting to see which route he chose.
Dmitri?

 

[danzman]

I noticed the OP is now listed as a "resident"... Considering how old the post is, it would be interesting to see which route he chose.
Dmitri?

He went to the islands. I think one of the big 4. Didn't match into ER and did a prelim medicine year. I wish him the best this year.

 

[McGillGrad]

I noticed the OP is now listed as a "resident"... Considering how old the post is, it would be interesting to see which route he chose.
Dmitri?

I really need to start checking to see when the OP made the first post...lol

 

[frank51]

It is biased blanket statement to infer that DO's are undoubtedly at an advantage in every case over a Carib grad.

I agree with the above statement, but as you so elegantly put it

What is clear is that it is true in the majority of cases.

 

[Gforce007]

 

[J-Rad]

Don't be too sad. This resurrection of a five year old thread is over a year old itself

 

[NRAI2001]

In anesthesiology, NYCOM-26 and SGU-5
In EM, NYCOM-16 and SGU-19
In orthopedic surgery, NYCOM-1 and SGU-1
In PM&R, NYCOM-8 and SGU-2
In general surgery, NYCOM-7 and SGU-43
In neurosurgery, NYCOM-2 and SGU-0
In facial plastic surgery, NYCOM-1 and SGU-0
In opthomalogy, NYCOM-1 and SGU-1
In radiology, NYCOM-4 and SGU-0

---NYCOM 2003 Matchlist---
Anesthesia: 26
Cleveland Clinic
Einstein, NY (3)
Univ of Chicago
Univ of Wisconsin
Yale
NYU
Suny Downstate (5)
Maimonides, NY
Metroheath, OH
Temple, Philadelphia, PA
Univ of Mass, MA
UConn, CT
Univ Buffalo, NY
Metrohealth Med Ctr (OH)
Stony Brook, NY
Westchester Med Ctr, NY (NYMC)

Emergency Medicine:
Beth Israel, New York, NY
LIJ/ Einstein, NY (2)
North Shore Univ Hospitals, Manhasset, NY
Univ at Buffalo (2)
Newark Beth Israel, NJ
Albert Einstein, Philadelphia, PA
St. Barnabus, NY (6)
St. Barnabus, NY EM/IM Combined
UMDNJ, Kennedy Memorial (EM/IM Combined)

Family Practice:
Good Samaritan, NY
New York United Hospital
Mercy Hospital, PA
St. Claires, NY, NY
Union Hospital, NJ (2)
Northside Hospital, FL
St. Barnabus, NY (3)
St. Josephs, Syracuse NY
Overlook Hospital, NJ (2)
Somerset Med Ctr, NJ
UMDNJ (2)
Univ of Pittsburgh

General Surgery:
Doctor's Hospital, OH
Stony Brook, NY
Maimonides Med Ctr, NY
Nassau Univ Med Ctr, NY
St. Vincents, NY, NY
Wyckoff Heights Med Ctr, NY, NY
St. Barnabus, NY

OTO-Facial/Plastic Surgery
Northeast Regional Medical Ctr, MO

Internal Medicine:
Beth Israel, New York, NY (4)
George Washington Univ, DC
Hershey, Penn State
Kaiser Perm, CA
Lennox Hill, NY (2)
Loma Linda, CA
LIJ, NY
Mt. Sinai School of Medicine, NY (2)
North Shore Univ Hospitals, Manhasset (2)
New York Hospital, NY, NY (6)
St Josephs, AZ
SUNY Stony Brook, NY
Univ of Southern California
Univ of Tennessee, Nashville
UMNDNJ- Newark (2)
UMDNJ- Robert Wood (4)
Univ of Mass, Worcester, MA
Westchester Medical Ctr, NY
Winthrop Univ Hospital, NY (6)
Yale University, New Haven CT (2)

Neurology:
Albany Med, NY
LIJ, NY
North Shore Univ Hospital, Manhasset, NY
UMDNJ- Newark

NeuroSurgery:
Doctors Hospital, OH (2)

OB/Gyn
Albany Med (3)
Beth Israel, NY, NY
MCP Hahnemann, Philadelphia, PA
Michigan State, Lansing, MI
St Francis, CT
St. Vincents, NY, NY
Univ Buffalo, NY

Optho:
Univ Buffalo, NY

Orthopedic Surgery:
St. Vincents, New York, NY (NYMC)

Pathology:
St. Lukes-Roosevelt, NY
SUNY, Syracuse, NY

Peds:
LIJ, NY
Good Samaritan, NY (2)
Stony Brook (3)
Suny Downstate (3)
Univ Buffalo
Winthrop Univ Hospital (3)

PM&R:
Harvard
Einstein, NY
LIJ, NY (2)
Mt Sinai School of Medicine, NY
NYU School of Medicine
St. Vincents, NY, NY
Univ of Michigan, Ann Arbor

Psychiatry:
LIJ, NY
Maimonides, NY
St. Lukes-Roosevelt- Columbia (2)
Stony Brook (2)
Thomas Jefferson, Philadelphia, PA
Univ of Mass

Radiology (Diagnostic)
MCP Hahnemann
Harlem Hospital, NY, NY
Nassau Univ Med Ctr, NY
St. Barnabus, NY, NY

SGU has between 20 to 30 Anesth matches every year and about 15 to 20 Rads matches each year..

The one advantage to going to a DO schools is that as a DO you can apply to DO only residencies in these fields... but when it comes to matching into allopathic spots SGU and the "TOP" DO schools (NYCOM, CCOM, PCOM) share very similar matches.

https://baysgu35.sgu.edu/ERD/2008/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY2&Count=-1 (click on specialty to organize by specialty)

2008 PGY2 spots
Anesth 28
Rad 14
Surgery 23

 

[jiy76]

SGU has between 20 to 30 Anesth matches every year and about 15 to 20 Rads matches each year..

The one advantage to going to a DO schools is that as a DO you can apply to DO only residencies in these fields... but when it comes to matching into allopathic spots SGU and the "TOP" DO schools (NYCOM, CCOM, PCOM) share very similar matches.

https://baysgu35.sgu.edu/ERD/2008/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY2&Count=-1 (click on specialty to organize by specialty)

2008 PGY2 spots
Anesth 28
Rad 14
Surgery 23

sgu doesnt match that high a number. It varies from year to year. one year it was over 20 anesth matches but it usually ranges between 12-15 for both rads and anesth which is still great for a carib school.

 

[NRAI2001]

sgu doesnt match that high a number. It varies from year to year. one year it was over 20 anesth matches but it usually ranges between 12-15 for both rads and anesth which is still great for a carib school.

What are you basing that on? You can look at the links for the last two or three years and its pretty consistent to what I stated earlier.

Click on the link, then click on specialty to sort alphabetically by specialty (anesthesia will come first and diagnostic radiology will come second)....count them for yourself

 

[Coastie]

Go D.O., and to a good one. Not one of the new ones with poor clinical sites, high tuition, and no-name recognition.

Caribs are on the way out. Anyone who chooses a carib now is just asking for 300k in loans and no residency.

D.O. schools are not without their own problems, and if the AOA doesn't start to get with the program, especially on for-profit schools and Osteopath GME, then they will feel the wrath as well.

 

[thiaeyemd]

The frank truth is

1 .US M.D
2. U.S D.O
3. Foreign born, foreign medical school
4. US born, foreign medical school

Be sure to compare how many people who went to St Georges or Ross had some "in" before getting the residency. Remember also, DO schools encourage primary care. I knew a guy who matched at Emory for ophthalmology coming from St georges. His dad was a huge ophthalmologist in Atlanta who sent tons of referrals to Emory . Pretty sure he didn't get it on merit.. My brother went to St Georges. I went to Howard. For the DO and US born foreign medical school people a lot of the top residencies are about having a major connection. When you have 1 or 2 people going into plastics, derm or ophth it is most likely that..less so merit.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

The frank truth is

1 .US M.D
2. U.S D.O
3. Foreign born, foreign medical school
4. US born, foreign medical school

Be sure to compare how many people who went to St Georges or Ross had some "in" before getting the residency. Remember also, DO schools encourage primary care. I knew a guy who matched at Emory for ophthalmology coming from St georges. His dad was a huge ophthalmologist in Atlanta who sent tons of referrals to Emory . Pretty sure he didn't get it on merit.. My brother went to St Georges. I went to Howard. For the DO and US born foreign medical school people a lot of the top residencies are about having a major connection. When you have 1 or 2 people going into plastics, derm or ophth it is most likely that..less so merit.

Did you make a typo in regards to #3 and #4? If not I'm curious if that is true.
Any updates on the OP?
Also nice 2nd resuscitation of a thread that refuses to die.

 

[atsai3]

Did you make a typo in regards to #3 and #4? If not I'm curious if that is true.
Any updates on the OP?
Also nice 2nd resuscitation of a thread that refuses to die.

If I were a residency program director, I would follow the same hierarchy. Recently a study was published in Health Affairs showing that patients treated by U.S. citizens who studied at foreign medical schools had the highest mortality rates.

PDF here: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/18/0810-health-affairs-imgs.pdf

-AT.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

If I were a residency program director, I would follow the same hierarchy. Recently a study was published in Health Affairs showing that patients treated by U.S. citizens who studied at foreign medical schools had the highest mortality rates.

PDF here: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/18/0810-health-affairs-imgs.pdf

-AT.

Interesting article, thanks. I do have to say though if a PD is choosing based on that study wouldn't a nonUSIMG be ranked over a USMG?

I am neither in camp #3 nor #4 (if my SN didn't give it away) but am just curious. All things being equal I would think the two would be reversed on a PD's "ranking".

 

[J-Rad]

Did you make a typo in regards to #3 and #4? If not I'm curious if that is true.
Any updates on the OP?
Also nice 2nd resuscitation of a thread that refuses to die.

Loving the thread necromancy as well

But: my educated guess is that that is the correct order as listed. For some countries, only the best and the brightest make it to medical school. For example, India is known for this. Not infrequently, they may come to a US program already having gone through a foreign residency-and while their respective healthcare system may be different than the US, they come with a wealth of clinical knowledge and experience (some of the smartest/best residents and attendings I've worked with have this background). With regards to the USIMGs who often make outstanding doctors, most often they are not USIMGs becuase they were the cream of the crop, esp. with regards to the Carib schools.

 

[JaggerPlate]

How many lives does this feline have left???

Also, DO ... no question (when given the choice between the Caribbean and US DO).

 

[Juggernuts]

there is no big 3 in the DO world, I go to one of the "no name" schools and believe me we get into some amazing spots, especially with most of my class applying for anesthesia. So go DO IMO.

 

[turquoiseblue]

DO is the obvious choice if you want a competitive residency.
Caribbean grads do get competitive residencies but it is much tougher and has been getting increasingly tough as the number of students in US med schools are increasing. If you mess up on your steps or med school you're up the creek, so it is safer to be a DO. At least with DO you will even get a competitive DO residency if not an MD residency.

The one thing im not sure of is if when out in the real world, how much business a DO gets in terms of number of patients, as most patients have heard of MD, but not DO. I guess they get by but not sure how they compare to MD's. Either way the safest way to go is DO. if you went to SGU, you probably are a shoein for residency because they are top three. as long as you get into the top 3 carribs and do well in it through out you may be fine. it's just more of a risk. most of my collegues got in residency (Carrib school here) and made it out, but most of them weren't competitive residencies. most likely you'd probably end up settling for IM, FM, etc. primary care as a Carrib.

 

[ShyRem]

They get plenty of business.