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[MirrorTodd]

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Here is a reminder that flooding the zone only works if you are can’t think critically enough to recognize the “sht” and choose to amplify the noise.

It’s not noise when it’s an early warning red flag. This is like ignoring the deepening tone of the pulse ox. Like I get that the ecg showing vfib when the surgeon is buzzing with cautery isn’t a good alarm to get excited about, but this is kinda the alarm you really shouldn’t ignore.

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[Cath Up]

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Here is a reminder that flooding the zone only works if you are can’t think critically enough to recognize the “sht” and choose to amplify the noise.

Here is a reminder that MAGAs label important issues as noise if they don’t want to think about it or if it doesn’t impact them personally.

 

[DocMcCoy]

It’s not noise when it’s an early warning red flag. This is like ignoring the deepening tone of the pulse ox. Like I get that the ecg showing vfib when the surgeon is buzzing with cautery isn’t a good alarm to get excited about, but this is kinda the alarm you really shouldn’t ignore.

I appreciate your analogy and your vigilance. like you said, sometime the alarm is just noise. The left has 1000 monitors on this administrations vitals, this is the one that’s going off now so it’s the one you are paying attention to. “Deporting citizens” is more akin to the bovie interference than a dropping pulse ox in the big picture.

 

[GravelRider]

Trump’s entire policy directions thus far can be seen through the lens of revenge against perceived enemies, but also warfare against the so-called “elite.” The “coastal elites” have been a popular foil for the Republicans in the past decade. This has been very evident in the policies directed against universities, law firms, and the financial class. These a politically safe targets because none of them represent the MAGA base. The government interference into the free market of capitalism, the missions of universities, and the ability of law firms to provide a check against the government is not all that different than the Marxist playbook employed by the Soviet revolution in Russia or Maoist China. The intellectual elite represents a politically convenient target as oligarchs consolidate power…they are demographically small and concentrated in Democrat strongholds, but they have an outsized influence on the economy and culture. Reducing their influence and power will only serve to strengthen the MAGA base support and allow the oligarchs to continue their unchecked pursuit of wealth and power consolidation. That’s the playbook.

Of course, the attack on the intellectual elite in these Marxist societies resulted in severe economic stagnation. The billionaires intent on this approach don’t care about national economic growth. They care about consolidation of their own power and wealth. They are completely unaffected by fluctuations in economic prosperity and changes in rules governing our lives. Under Trumpism the billionaires are safe, the millionaires are not.

Trump Has Found His Class Enemy

The president unleashes a Marxist theory of power—but against knowledge workers, not billionaires.

www.theatlantic.com

As Trump continues to conduct his warfare against the intellectual elite, how long until he turns his eye to healthcare and physicians? It’s coming, I guarantee it.

 

[DesiredMemberName?]

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Here is a reminder that flooding the zone only works if you are can’t think critically enough to recognize the “sht” and choose to amplify the noise.

The power of the strategy is that if people get outraged, “he’s just trolling… get over your TDS.”

If nobody says ****, it is deemed acceptable, and the goal posts are moved once again.

 

[Dragonite7]

I appreciate your analogy and your vigilance. like you said, sometime the alarm is just noise. The left has 1000 monitors on this administrations vitals, this is the one that’s going off now so it’s the one you are paying attention to. “Deporting citizens” is more akin to the bovie interference than a dropping pulse ox in the big picture.

What does this even mean? You're seriously STILL acting like this is some harmless error blown out of proportion? This is how you seize power as a dictator. You sieze unilateral power by ignoring any law or court that doesn't let you do what you want, you assemble a concentration camp in a foreign country, and then send your enemies there without a trial. In just a couple months, we went from "He's just deporting violent criminals! They don't deserve due process!" -> "Ok, they haven't committed a crime but they're here illegally" -> "Ok, they're here legally and innocent but who cares" -> "Ok, the President is disobeying a direct unanimous Supreme Court decision but no big deal." -> The president openly making plans to kidnap and imprison citizens. Throughout this ordeal you have constantly insisted that the next step isn't going to happen. Then when it does you sit here pretending like the problem is with the people who aren't brainwashed and notice something bad is going on?

 

[dabears505]

There will never be a white American that is sent to el Salvador. The plan is to deport as many visa green card protestors as possible right now to make it appear that the protests are only being done to destabilize the country. They keep harping on and on about how it's all hamas infiltration of ivy league as to why the protests are happening. The next step will be to go after Brown US citizens who are native and can't be deported back to a home country. That's where El Salvador comes into play. There will not be near as much opposition to this as you might imagine.

 

[GravelRider]

What does this even mean? You're seriously STILL acting like this is some harmless error blown out of proportion? This is how you seize power as a dictator. You sieze unilateral power by ignoring any law or court that doesn't let you do what you want, you assemble a concentration camp in a foreign country, and then send your enemies there without a trial. In just a couple months, we went from "He's just deporting violent criminals! They don't deserve due process!" -> "Ok, they haven't committed a crime but they're here illegally" -> "Ok, they're here legally and innocent but who cares" -> "Ok, the President is disobeying a direct unanimous Supreme Court decision but no big deal." -> The president openly making plans to kidnap and imprison citizens. Throughout this ordeal you have constantly insisted that the next step isn't going to happen. Then when it does you sit here pretending like the problem is with the people who aren't brainwashed and notice something bad is going on?

The technique is otherwise known as gaslighting.

 

[aneftp]

Trump’s entire policy directions thus far can be seen through the lens of revenge against perceived enemies, but also warfare against the so-called “elite.” The “coastal elites” have been a popular foil for the Republicans in the past decade. This has been very evident in the policies directed against universities, law firms, and the financial class. These a politically safe targets because none of them represent the MAGA base. The government interference into the free market of capitalism, the missions of universities, and the ability of law firms to provide a check against the government is not all that different than the Marxist playbook employed by the Soviet revolution in Russia or Maoist China. The intellectual elite represents a politically convenient target as oligarchs consolidate power…they are demographically small and concentrated in Democrat strongholds, but they have an outsized influence on the economy and culture. Reducing their influence and power will only serve to strengthen the MAGA base support and allow the oligarchs to continue their unchecked pursuit of wealth and power consolidation. That’s the playbook.

Of course, the attack on the intellectual elite in these Marxist societies resulted in severe economic stagnation. The billionaires intent on this approach don’t care about national economic growth. They care about consolidation of their own power and wealth. They are completely unaffected by fluctuations in economic prosperity and changes in rules governing our lives. Under Trumpism the billionaires are safe, the millionaires are not.

Trump Has Found His Class Enemy

The president unleashes a Marxist theory of power—but against knowledge workers, not billionaires.

www.theatlantic.com

As Trump continues to conduct his warfare against the intellectual elite, how long until he turns his eye to healthcare and physicians? It’s coming, I guarantee it.

The author has no clue what he’s talking about

“The target of the administration’s campaign is a stratum of society that’s sometimes called the professional managerial class, or the PMC, although there’s not one universal moniker that MAGA applies to the group it is now crushing. That group includes society’s knowledge workers, its cognitive elite, the winners of the tournament that is the American meritocracy. It covers not only lawyers, university administrators, and professors, but also consultants, investment bankers, scientists, journalists, and other white-collar workers who have prospered in the information age”

Almost every doctor, lawyer , accountant (the professional working class) voted repub. (who I know)

As a matter of factor. 65-70% of anesthesia docs are republ. These are FACTS. Same as our Surgeons! Repubs.

Now other specialities like peds tend to lean towards democratcs. Like only 43% are repubs with peds I think

 

[rowsdower88]

The author has no clue what he’s talking about

“The target of the administration’s campaign is a stratum of society that’s sometimes called the professional managerial class, or the PMC, although there’s not one universal moniker that MAGA applies to the group it is now crushing. That group includes society’s knowledge workers, its cognitive elite, the winners of the tournament that is the American meritocracy. It covers not only lawyers, university administrators, and professors, but also consultants, investment bankers, scientists, journalists, and other white-collar workers who have prospered in the information age”

Almost every doctor, lawyer , accountant (the professional working class) voted repub. (who I know)

As a matter of factor. 65-70% of anesthesia docs are republ. These are FACTS. Same as our Surgeons! Repubs.

Now other specialities like peds tend to lean towards democratcs. Like only 43% are repubs with peds I think

You seem to be suggesting that it's impossible for people to be voting against their own interests. I'm going to tell you it's entirely possible.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

The author has no clue what he’s talking about

“The target of the administration’s campaign is a stratum of society that’s sometimes called the professional managerial class, or the PMC, although there’s not one universal moniker that MAGA applies to the group it is now crushing. That group includes society’s knowledge workers, its cognitive elite, the winners of the tournament that is the American meritocracy. It covers not only lawyers, university administrators, and professors, but also consultants, investment bankers, scientists, journalists, and other white-collar workers who have prospered in the information age”

Almost every doctor, lawyer , accountant (the professional working class) voted repub. (who I know)

As a matter of factor. 65-70% of anesthesia docs are republ. These are FACTS. Same as our Surgeons! Repubs.

Now other specialities like peds tend to lean towards democratcs. Like only 43% are repubs with peds I think

Pediatricians are the most pro-single payor specialty since a huge number of the patients basically are already (Medicaid). Its a big reason why they earn less than most of us.

 

[aneftp]

You seem to be suggesting that it's impossible for people to be voting against their own interests. I'm going to tell you it's entirely possible.

It’s possible. I agree with u. Just like people who voted for Obama and his healthcare plans and now paying more for it than they anticipated. Especially the self employed people paying much more

So people do vote against their best interests thinking Obama would get them cheaper healthcare on the self employed market when it didn’t.

Same with voting for trump where divorce richer doctors who pay more in alimony don’t get the tax deductions with the 2017 tax law changes. Alimony is not deductible any more.

 

[chessknt]

The power of the strategy is that if people get outraged, “he’s just trolling… get over your TDS.”

If nobody says ****, it is deemed acceptable, and the goal posts are moved once again.

But he is the only frog in the slowly warming water able to think critically enough about how everything is actually fine and that the water isn't actually going to boil and if it did he would be the first one to let us know.

 

[DocMcCoy]

What does this even mean? You're seriously STILL acting like this is some harmless error blown out of proportion? This is how you seize power as a dictator. You sieze unilateral power by ignoring any law or court that doesn't let you do what you want, you assemble a concentration camp in a foreign country, and then send your enemies there without a trial. In just a couple months, we went from "He's just deporting violent criminals! They don't deserve due process!" -> "Ok, they haven't committed a crime but they're here illegally" -> "Ok, they're here legally and innocent but who cares" -> "Ok, the President is disobeying a direct unanimous Supreme Court decision but no big deal." -> The president openly making plans to kidnap and imprison citizens. Throughout this ordeal you have constantly insisted that the next step isn't going to happen. Then when it does you sit here pretending like the problem is with the people who aren't brainwashed and notice something bad is going on?

Your heavily distorted slippery slope here isn’t exactly an accurate representation of what has been happening.

From before the election and implementation of the administrations immigration agenda, the left has pushed a false narrative that citizens would be deported. It was suggested with the initial discussion of the alien enemies act, it was suggested without any evidence (and proven false) with discussion of American citizens in the flight to El Salvador. You are suggesting it here.

“You” also refuse to acknowledge that rights and privileges differ from us born citizens, to naturalized citizens, to immigrants with protected status, to illegals. Denial, ignorance, or obfuscation, it is literally on these differences the entire Trump administration agenda is operating on. An agenda that due to the political divide in this country, has relied heavily on executive action and pushing the judiciary as hard as possible. (just like the last administration). You don’t like it so it’s a dictatorship…

Despite all of that, they aren’t even on pace to meet their own projection or Biden’s 2023 numbers. Why do you think that is? Because while the sensationalism of a plane flying to El Salvador generates hits and retweets, the agenda is facing logistical and legislative hurdles at every turn, that are obviously very effective.

But all this is unsurprising from the same people that call El Salvadoran prisons “concentration camps” and are burning Teslas, referring to republicans as the bad guys, in some cases endorsing the murder of a sitting US president. @pgg still waiting for your apology.

 

[GravelRider]

The author has no clue what he’s talking about

“The target of the administration’s campaign is a stratum of society that’s sometimes called the professional managerial class, or the PMC, although there’s not one universal moniker that MAGA applies to the group it is now crushing. That group includes society’s knowledge workers, its cognitive elite, the winners of the tournament that is the American meritocracy. It covers not only lawyers, university administrators, and professors, but also consultants, investment bankers, scientists, journalists, and other white-collar workers who have prospered in the information age”

Almost every doctor, lawyer , accountant (the professional working class) voted repub. (who I know)

As a matter of factor. 65-70% of anesthesia docs are republ. These are FACTS. Same as our Surgeons! Repubs.

Now other specialities like peds tend to lean towards democratcs. Like only 43% are repubs with peds I think

Sure, but that’s not the MAGA base. Having a college education is one of the biggest predictor for voting Democrat.

Are you getting these statistics from somewhere or is it gestalt?

 

[GravelRider]

Your heavily distorted slippery slope here isn’t exactly an accurate representation of what has been happening.

From before the election and implementation of the administrations immigration agenda, the left has pushed a false narrative that citizens would be deported. It was suggested with the initial discussion of the alien enemies act, it was suggested without any evidence (and proven false) with discussion of American citizens in the flight to El Salvador. You are suggesting it here.

“You” also refuse to acknowledge that rights and privileges differ from us born citizens, to naturalized citizens, to immigrants with protected status, to illegals. Denial, ignorance, or obfuscation, it is literally on these differences the entire Trump administration agenda is operating on. An agenda that due to the political divide in this country, has relied heavily on executive action and pushing the judiciary as hard as possible. (just like the last administration). You don’t like it so it’s a dictatorship…

Despite all of that, they aren’t even on pace to meet their own projection or Biden’s 2023 numbers. Why do you think that is? Because while the sensationalism of a plane flying to El Salvador generates hits and retweets, the agenda is facing logistical and legislative hurdles at every turn, that are obviously very effective.

But all this is unsurprising from the same people that call El Salvadoran prisons “concentration camps” and are burning Teslas, referring to republicans as the bad guys, in some cases endorsing the murder of a sitting US president. @pgg still waiting for your apology.

Is your concern that people are destroying Teslas and burning dealerships to the ground all that different from what you are calling overreaction by the left to Trump’s policies? Care to provide any statistics regarding the burning of Teslas or destruction of Tesla dealerships that can convince me that this is not just sensationalism by the state-run MSM? Otherwise it all sounds pretty fishy to me.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Is your concern that people are destroying Teslas and burning dealerships to the ground all that different from what you are calling overreaction by the left to Trump’s policies? Care to provide any statistics regarding the burning of Teslas or destruction of Tesla dealerships that can convince me that this is not just sensationalism by the state-run MSM? Otherwise it all sounds pretty fishy to me.

I’m confused how the actual numbers would change anything. If we agree that there are instances of politically motivated attacks on Tesla, it still serves as an example of how the left’s outrage with the current administration wrongfully leads to the justification of such acts.

 

[Dragonite7]

From before the election and implementation of the administrations immigration agenda, the left has pushed a false narrative that citizens would be deported. It was suggested with the initial discussion of the alien enemies act, it was suggested without any evidence (and proven false) with discussion of American citizens in the flight to El Salvador. You are suggesting it here.

No evidence??? Dude, Trump is on record telling the El Salvador president to get ready for US citizens being sent there.
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"Homegrown criminals are next," Trump said to Bukele. "I said homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've gotta build about five more places."

"Yeah, we've got space," Bukele responded as Trump officials in the room could be heard laughing.

"It's not big enough," Trump said.
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He's openly advocated for it to the press. That "slippery slope" is what you have literally been saying. Just last week, you were talking about how the left is so stupid for being upset because Trump was clearly going to follow the checks and balances of the law. Now that he's refusing to obey the Supreme Court decision you've mysteriously forgotten about that and moved the goalposts.

An agenda that due to the political devide in this country, has relied heavily on executive action and pushing the judiciary as hard as possible. (just like the last administration). You don’t like it so it’s a dictatorship…

Biden never disobeyed a Supreme Court decision. If you're talking about your usual misinformation about student debt relief, he listened and changed his efforts to use existing existing federal student loan forgiveness programs that were legal. That's not even pointing out the absurd scale on which Trump has illegally and unconstitutionally dismantled large swaths of government. This is your standard tactic of using misinformation to pretend like Trump's unprecedented destruction and corruption is even close to normal.

"a guarded compound for the mass detention without hearings or the imprisonment without trial of civilians, as refugees, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc."
^^The definition of concentration camp which is literally what's happening.

I should really stop engaging with you because you're clearly brainwashed beyond the point of help. I guess I just can't believe someone would so devoutly ignore reality for the benefit of a corrupt autocrat.

 

[DocMcCoy]

No evidence??? Dude, Trump is on record telling the El Salvador president to get ready for US citizens being sent there.
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"Homegrown criminals are next," Trump said to Bukele. "I said homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've gotta build about five more places."

"Yeah, we've got space," Bukele responded as Trump officials in the room could be heard laughing.

"It's not big enough," Trump said.
"
He's openly advocated for it to the press. That "slippery slope" is what you have literally been saying. Just last week, you were talking about how the left is so stupid for being upset because Trump was clearly going to follow the checks and balances of the law. Now that he's refusing to obey the Supreme Court decision you've mysteriously forgotten about that and moved the goalposts.

Biden never disobeyed a Supreme Court decision. If you're talking about your usual misinformation about student debt relief, he listened and changed his efforts to use existing existing federal student loan forgiveness programs that were legal. That's not even pointing out the absurd scale on which Trump has illegally and unconstitutionally dismantled large swaths of government. This is your standard tactic of using misinformation to pretend like Trump's unprecedented destruction and corruption is even close to normal.

"a guarded compound for the mass detention without hearings or the imprisonment without trial of civilians, as refugees, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc."
^^The definition of concentration camp which is literally what's happening.

I should really stop engaging with you because you're clearly brainwashed beyond the point of help. I guess I just can't believe someone would so devoutly ignore reality for the benefit of a corrupt autocrat.

While I know you don’t see the difference, “talking” about sending US prisoners to a foreign prison is not the same as deporting citizens.

Sure “concentration camp” 😉

Hit your ignore button dude.

 

[GravelRider]

I’m confused how the actual numbers would change anything. If we agree that there are instances of politically motivated attacks on Tesla, it still serves as an example of how the left’s outrage with the current administration wrongfully leads to the justification of such acts.

You really stuck that landing with some serious mental gymnastics skill. By that logic we’ll call every racially or sexually motivated crime political violence perpetrated by the right.

I simply asked for some statistics to get a sense of the scope of the Tesla vandalism problem and your response was a masterclass in diversion.

You seem really laser focused on trying to prove that democrats or liberals are promoting violence. Maybe gather all your evidence and put it together in one big thesis?

 

[maxxor]

You really stuck that landing with some serious mental gymnastics skill. By that logic we’ll call every racially or sexually motivated crime political violence perpetrated by the right.

I simply asked for some statistics to get a sense of the scope of the Tesla vandalism problem and your response was a masterclass in diversion.

You seem really laser focused on trying to prove that democrats or liberals are promoting violence. Maybe gather all your evidence and put it together in one big thesis?

He's a true believer and deeply plugged into the feeds / state media.

Honestly I think MLK’s comments on the “white moderate” apply here.

There’s another article about a 19 years Venezuelan kid who ICE grabbed by mistake who had an active asylum case and was deported to CECOT. Not that different from the Abrego Garcia case the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 on.

Until there are mass protests or Paula Xinis starts putting lawyers in jail for contempt, everything is on warp speed to fascism. And McCoy is just cheering it on as he gaslights away.

I expect them to try and deport a Muslim US citizen lawyer soon.

 

[DocMcCoy]

You really stuck that landing with some serious mental gymnastics skill. By that logic we’ll call every racially or sexually motivated crime political violence perpetrated by the right.

I simply asked for some statistics to get a sense of the scope of the Tesla vandalism problem and your response was a masterclass in diversion.

You seem really laser focused on trying to prove that democrats or liberals are promoting violence. Maybe gather all your evidence and put it together in one big thesis?

The threads are my benchmark.

You are right, be no means am I suggesting only the left is responsible for political violence.

Im more concerned with what is going on here locally and I like to think I can hold my colleagues to a slightly higher standard than a random citizen.

What I don’t recall, in these threads, is something like “outrage” from the right being parlayed into say the justification for J6, or blowing up abortion clinics, or gender conversion therapy, or violence of any kind.

What I DO recall is “outrage” from the left being use to justify the same. And when you show them how maybe they may want to pull back on the throttle at best they try to explain it away as “just expressing their emotions”.

 

[maxxor]

Outrage from the right is literally systematically removing our constitutional protections from the government itself.

You love it because it is attacking the perceived opponents of MAGA, but they will come for physicians sooner or later. And they will do it by kicking you off CMS payments.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

No evidence??? Dude, Trump is on record telling the El Salvador president to get ready for US citizens being sent there.
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"Homegrown criminals are next," Trump said to Bukele. "I said homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've gotta build about five more places."

"Yeah, we've got space," Bukele responded as Trump officials in the room could be heard laughing.

"It's not big enough," Trump said.
"
He's openly advocated for it to the press. That "slippery slope" is what you have literally been saying. Just last week, you were talking about how the left is so stupid for being upset because Trump was clearly going to follow the checks and balances of the law. Now that he's refusing to obey the Supreme Court decision you've mysteriously forgotten about that and moved the goalposts.

Biden never disobeyed a Supreme Court decision. If you're talking about your usual misinformation about student debt relief, he listened and changed his efforts to use existing existing federal student loan forgiveness programs that were legal. That's not even pointing out the absurd scale on which Trump has illegally and unconstitutionally dismantled large swaths of government. This is your standard tactic of using misinformation to pretend like Trump's unprecedented destruction and corruption is even close to normal.

"a guarded compound for the mass detention without hearings or the imprisonment without trial of civilians, as refugees, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc."
^^The definition of concentration camp which is literally what's happening.

I should really stop engaging with you because you're clearly brainwashed beyond the point of help. I guess I just can't believe someone would so devoutly ignore reality for the benefit of a corrupt autocrat.

I would be interested to know what your biggest fear in all this is? You seem resigned to your fate and pretty sure that Trump is wildly succeeding in creating a “dictatorship” (though he hasn’t dictated anything to any of us).

So let’s say the dictatorship as you call it is happening, and inevitable. What’s your scenario for what it looks like in 3 years from now, if you have the moderate or worst case scenario?

I’d like to know because you make it seem like these are guaranteed outcomes with the fear you seem to have. I want to come back to it each year and see how you’re wrong and see how it actually affects you or your family.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Outrage from the right is literally systematically removing our constitutional protections from the government itself.

You love it because it is attacking the perceived opponents of MAGA, but they will come for physicians sooner or later. And they will do it by kicking you off CMS payments.

Funny this must be the only place in the world that I’m MAGA.

Outrage from the right was winning the election. I honestly wish outrage from the left was focused on that.

 

[Southpaw]

The threads are my benchmark.

You are right, be no means am I suggesting only the left is responsible for political violence.

Im more concerned with what is going on here locally and I like to think I can hold my colleagues to a slightly higher standard than a random citizen.

What I don’t recall, in these threads, is something like “outrage” from the right being parlayed into say the justification for J6, or blowing up abortion clinics, or gender conversion therapy, or violence of any kind.

What I DO recall is “outrage” from the left being use to justify the same. And when you show them how maybe they may want to pull back on the throttle at best they try to explain it away as “just expressing their emotions”.

The right ‘outrage’ was absolutely parlayed into J6 justification. Why do you think Trump pardoned them all?

 

[DocMcCoy]

The right ‘outrage’ was absolutely parlayed into J6 justification. Why do you think Trump pardoned them all?

On the SDN ANESTHESIA FORUM.

Right posters justifying J6

Hell, most of us said they shouldn’t have pardoned the violent ones.

 

[GravelRider]

The threads are my benchmark.

You are right, be no means am I suggesting only the left is responsible for political violence.

Im more concerned with what is going on here locally and I like to think I can hold my colleagues to a slightly higher standard than a random citizen.

What I don’t recall, in these threads, is something like “outrage” from the right being parlayed into say the justification for J6, or blowing up abortion clinics, or gender conversion therapy, or violence of any kind.

What I DO recall is “outrage” from the left being use to justify the same. And when you show them how maybe they may want to pull back on the throttle at best they try to explain it away as “just expressing their emotions”.

The problem is your response to every criticism of this administration or concern that the current executive branch is ignoring the “rule of law” and separation of powers as outlined by the Constitution can be summed up as “yeah, but you guys are promoting violence.” Every single one of your responses is “stop overreacting, you guys promote violence.” It’s either gaslighting or a lack of creativity, not sure which.

No one in recent days has promoted violence, though the threat of violence against the state is outlined in our Bill of Rights as an important check on power. It literally is the second amendment to the Constitution. The need for or justification of violence against the state is something I hope we never need, but it may be worth having that discussion before it comes to that point so we are prepared. At what point would the executive branch ignoring the rule of law and consolidating power justify violence? If the executive branch can’t be checked by the judicial branch and the legislative branch continues to be willing accomplices, does the threat of violence by the populace become the only means to check that power? If Trump were to cancel midterm elections, deport citizens, and give himself a third term as suggested by certain people, would that justify violence?

 

[Cath Up]

I’m confused how the actual numbers would change anything. If we agree that there are instances of politically motivated attacks on Tesla, it still serves as an example of how the left’s outrage with the current administration wrongfully leads to the justification of such acts.

One is property destruction, the other is abduction. I would hope in this case they are not viewed as equivalent.

 

[Southpaw]

On the SDN ANESTHESIA FORUM.

Right posters justifying J6

Hell, most of us said they shouldn’t have pardoned the violent ones.

well maybe I missed it but I haven’t seen anyone defending lunatics who destroy Teslas out of anger at Elon.

 

[Cath Up]

While I know you don’t see the difference, “talking” about sending US prisoners to a foreign prison is not the same as deporting citizens.

Sure “concentration camp” 😉

Hit your ignore button dude.

Have you seen footage from the prison? It is clearly inhumane.

I guess “talking” doesn’t matter to you? Only action? Talk about a slippery slope.

 

[aneftp]

Sure, but that’s not the MAGA base. Having a college education is one of the biggest predictor for voting Democrat.

Are you getting these statistics from somewhere or is it gestalt?

The article claims trump is targeting the professional working class like doctors lawyers and even writers etc

They simply don’t get it. We are a divided country. We are closer to 38/35 dem/repub overall and the rest independents. And higher income (those making 150-500k) don’t necessary vote blue

https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/s/UF4NAXDpf3

 

[DocMcCoy]

The problem is your response to every criticism of this administration or concern that the current executive branch is ignoring the “rule of law” and separation of powers as outlined by the Constitution can be summed up as “yeah, but you guys are promoting violence.” Every single one of your responses is “stop overreacting, you guys promote violence.” It’s either gaslighting or a lack of creativity, not sure which.

If you go back further than a couple weeks, I’ve been at best lukewarm in defense of this administration, and at points I’ve directly expressed criticism. But I can’t be the only one with outrage fatigue coming from the left every time Trump opens his mouth.

I see the current checks working to a point the administration has to come up with ever increasing Hail Marys, each more unlikely to survive judicial pushback. I see the stuff he says designed to fluster you and it works every time.

But what you are doing to some degree isn’t criticism. It’s stirring the pot. Looking for others that feel as outraged as you do. It’s creating a positive feedback loop that gains steam and then yes, someone will ultimately use it to justify spouting out some extreme view or condoning some extreme action. In the real world that is what is leading to people vandalizing Teslas right now. It’s what led to J6, it’s what led to someone trying to assassinate Trump.

My intent usually, is to take a pause in disagreement and see if there is any validity in the opposing view. Most of you have come to the point you fell there isnt. I’m not with you yet. Though I haven’t completely ruled out I am the frog in the pot.

No one in recent days has promoted violence, though the threat of violence against the state is outlined in our Bill of Rights as an important check on power. It literally is the second amendment to the Constitution. The need for or justification of violence against the state is something I hope we never need, but it may be worth having that discussion before it comes to that point so we are prepared. At what point would the executive branch ignoring the rule of law and consolidating power justify violence? If the executive branch can’t be checked by the judicial branch and the legislative branch continues to be willing accomplices, does the threat of violence by the populace become the only means to check that power? If Trump were to cancel midterm elections, deport citizens, and give himself a third term as suggested by certain people, would that justify violence?

“Recent days” is relative.

I have stated many times an armed populace is the ultimate check against uncontrolled government. Ironically, it’s usually in defending the anti 2A agenda supported by the left. I don’t know what theoretical situation would justify violence as suggested, but nobody is voluntarily getting me in a boxcar.

Funny though context and timing are everything, if I would have posted something similar to your comment during the Biden administration, yall would have laughed me off the forums.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

On the SDN ANESTHESIA FORUM.

Right posters justifying J6

Hell, most of us said they shouldn’t have pardoned the violent ones.

Which means you're OK with pardoning the non-violent ones.

Also, https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/15/trump-deport-citizens-law.html

 

[DocMcCoy]

well maybe I missed it but I haven’t seen anyone defending lunatics who destroy Teslas out of anger at Elon.

You are right, they’ve defended much worse.

 

[UscGhost]

If you go back further than a couple weeks, I’ve been at best lukewarm in defense of this administration, and at points I’ve directly expressed criticism. But I can’t be the only one with outrage fatigue coming from the left every time Trump opens his mouth.

I see the current checks working to a point the administration has to come up with ever increasing Hail Marys, each more unlikely to survive judicial pushback. I see the stuff he says designed to fluster you and it works every time.

But what you are doing to some degree isn’t criticism. It’s stirring the pot. Looking for others that feel as outraged as you do. It’s creating a positive feedback loop that gains steam and then yes, someone will ultimately use it to justify spouting out some extreme view or condoning some extreme action. In the real world that is what is leading to people vandalizing Teslas right now. It’s what led to J6, it’s what led to someone trying to assassinate Trump.

My intent usually, is to take a pause in disagreement and see if there is any validity in the opposing view. Most of you have come to the point you fell there isnt. I’m not with you yet. Though I haven’t completely ruled out I am the frog in the pot.




“Recent days” is relative.

I have stated many times an armed populace is the ultimate check against uncontrolled government. Ironically, it’s usually in defending the anti 2A agenda supported by the left. I don’t know what theoretical situation would justify violence as suggested, but nobody is voluntarily getting me in a boxcar.

Funny though context and timing are everything, if I would have posted something similar to your comment during the Biden administration, yall would have laughed me off the forums.

Africa, middle east, southeast Asia.. generally an armed populace doesn't help check an uncontrolled government. The government usually aligns with one side to battle the other or they just take turns overthrowing each other.

Not exactly an effective tool for peace

 

[DocMcCoy]

Which means you're OK with pardoning the non-violent ones.

Also, https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/15/trump-deport-citizens-law.html

It’s the same guy that wanted to look into drinking bleach 🤷‍♂️

 

[Southpaw]

You are right, they’ve defended much worse.

Well why don’t we start with the left lunatics who defended the destroying of personal property? Can you link 1 post? 2? I don’t recall anyone who regularly posts here defending the destroying of Teslas.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Africa, middle east, southeast Asia.. generally an armed populace doesn't help check an uncontrolled government. The government usually aligns with one side to battle the other or they just take turns overthrowing each other.

Not exactly an effective tool for peace

Except for that whole revolutionary war thing…

 

[Southpaw]

You are right, they’ve defended much worse.

This reminds me of Trump voters posting non-stop about the left leaning posters here supporting protestors in MN who were destroying personal and government property during the George Floyd protests. And yet there never existed a single post from a left leaning poster supporting the destruction of personal or government property. Everyone here universally said if laws were broken that people should be arrested.

 

[DocMcCoy]

This reminds me of Trump voters posting non-stop about the left leaning posters here supporting protestors in MN who were destroying personal and government property during the George Floyd protests. And yet there never existed a single post from a left leaning poster supporting the destruction of personal or government property. Everyone here universally said if laws were broken that people should be arrested.

I also don’t remember the right posting about hanging or shooting the Floyd protesters, guess who openly posted about hanging and shooting the J6 protesters?

 

[pgg]

I won’t post that garbage but I’ll PM you the link then you tell me I’m wrong… looking forward to my apology.

@pgg still waiting for your apology.

I'm catching up after a couple days away from this thread. Patience, patience ...


So - you went back over 10,000 posts in this thread and you found one guy who posted a rant about how he would understand if someone killed the president. Even going so far as to add the caveat "let me be extremely clear here...I would never advocate that any president of the united states be assassinated" ...

The post was specifically and immediately disavowed by multiple other people, representing some of the left-most and right-most people on this board, and the poster himself followed up two whole hours later with "I apologize for writing something so irresponsible".

If you're still looking for an apology, go read that one.

It was a stupid thing to write, and a bad look, but as far as it being an example of a person advocating violence ... weak.

 

[Southpaw]

guess who openly posted about hanging and shooting the J6 protesters?

Post it

 

[DocMcCoy]

I'm catching up after a couple days away from this thread. Patience, patience ...


So - you went back over 10,000 posts in this thread and you found one guy who posted a rant about how he would understand if someone killed the president. Even going so far as to add the caveat "let me be extremely clear here...I would never advocate that any president of the united states be assassinated" ...

The post was specifically and immediately disavowed by multiple other people, representing some of the left-most and right-most people on this board, and the poster himself followed up two whole hours later with "I apologize for writing something so irresponsible".

If you're still looking for an apology, go read that one.

It was a stupid thing to write, and a bad look, but as far as it being an example of a person advocating violence ... weak.

Dude, you know and I know I sent a list of examples…

But more importantly, watching mod downplay a manifesto defending the assassination of Trump and all Trump voters a week before someone actually tried to kill Trump! is pretty darn telling.

“So here is the thing. It was evident that Trump was guilty of the offenses that he was impeached for. It was plain as day, unless you were deliberately ignoring your eyes and ears for corrupt reasons (I'm talking to you cult members/supporters and cowardly congressmen). It was also evident that he should have been convicted in the Senate but wasn't only for political reasons. Moscow Mitch made it very clear at the time that there was a "justice system" that existed specifically to deal with "crimes" that are committed by the president. Then Trumps lawyers argued to the Supreme court that the proper remedy for a president who commits crimes is the impeachment remedy. Well now, Leonard Leo and his bought and paid for Supreme Court have taken care of the courts system part, ensuring that there is virtually no one who can "legally" hold a corrupt monster like Trump to account.
There is one remedy that remains, and that is assassination. And let me be extremely clear here...I would never advocate that any president of the united states be assassinated because I or anyone else disagrees with his or her "policies" on anything. Not abortion, not taxes, not anything like that. However, a president who attempted to subjugate the will of the electorate to keep himself in power, a president who kept highly classified national security documents for the purposes of selling to the highest bidder, and a president who intends to use his potential reelection to dismiss all criminal cases against him (all Trump by the way) is a tyrant that this nation was founded to oppose. In my mind a tyrant such as this is exactly who all of these judicial remedies were conceived to punish. If the corrupt have managed to take all of these remedies away (the corrupt being the Republican party and the conservative theocrats backing them) then I would fully understand why citizens may feel that they must take matters into their own hands to ensure that good triumphs over evil.
And f*#& all of you who say "he sucks but I will vote for him because I like his policies". You deserve the same death.”

 

[DocMcCoy]

Post it

This isn’t really the intent. I don’t want to hold these things over you, but they’ve happened so here you go.

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/democratic-socialists-2021.1407700/page-8

 

[Southpaw]

I also don’t remember the right posting about hanging or shooting the Floyd protesters, guess who openly posted about hanging and shooting the J6 protesters?

Despite being referred to by many here as a woke mob, I also don’t recall any right leaning posts supporting the hanging or shooting of a protestor. Y’all did defend that idiot Rittenhouse who went on to be a state media darling.

 

[GravelRider]

If you go back further than a couple weeks, I’ve been at best lukewarm in defense of this administration, and at points I’ve directly expressed criticism. But I can’t be the only one with outrage fatigue coming from the left every time Trump opens his mouth.

I see the current checks working to a point the administration has to come up with ever increasing Hail Marys, each more unlikely to survive judicial pushback. I see the stuff he says designed to fluster you and it works every time.

But what you are doing to some degree isn’t criticism. It’s stirring the pot. Looking for others that feel as outraged as you do. It’s creating a positive feedback loop that gains steam and then yes, someone will ultimately use it to justify spouting out some extreme view or condoning some extreme action. In the real world that is what is leading to people vandalizing Teslas right now. It’s what led to J6, it’s what led to someone trying to assassinate Trump.

My intent usually, is to take a pause in disagreement and see if there is any validity in the opposing view. Most of you have come to the point you fell there isnt. I’m not with you yet. Though I haven’t completely ruled out I am the frog in the pot.




“Recent days” is relative.

I have stated many times an armed populace is the ultimate check against uncontrolled government. Ironically, it’s usually in defending the anti 2A agenda supported by the left. I don’t know what theoretical situation would justify violence as suggested, but nobody is voluntarily getting me in a boxcar.

Funny though context and timing are everything, if I would have posted something similar to your comment during the Biden administration, yall would have laughed me off the forums.

Again with the vandalizing Tesla. Relax, stop getting so worked up over something you can’t provide statistics for. It sort of reminds me about how a bunch of doctors here were close to declaring bankruptcy over the cost of groceries during the Biden administration. Talk about some misplaced outrage…

I have been very persistent in saying that people should avoid getting distracted by the “flood the zone” technique and the nonsense put forth by the MSM. The Democrats would be best served to let it all burn, so to speak. I do, however, think that calling out the administration’s attempt or even discussion of disregarding the rule of law is worth calling out.

I think many on “the left,” as you continue to call it, recognize the importance of the second amendment, but are looking for solutions to things like mass shootings and kids having to go through active shooter drills at school. I, myself, have been very critical of how guns are marketed as an accessory or token of masculinity. People truly underestimate the power of marketing.

 

[GravelRider]

The article claims trump is targeting the professional working class like doctors lawyers and even writers etc

They simply don’t get it. We are a divided country. We are closer to 38/35 dem/repub overall and the rest independents. And higher income (those making 150-500k) don’t necessary vote blue

https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/s/UF4NAXDpf3

Your retort can be summed up as you know a bunch of anesthesiologists and surgeons who voted for Trump, so it’s not worth discussing.

 

[aneftp]

Your retort can be summed up as you know a bunch of anesthesiologists and surgeons who voted for Trump, so it’s not worth discussing.

No. I sent the link the most conservative docs are anesthesiologists and surgeons! 65-67% of us are republicans.

You guys are in the democratic minority with anesthesia docs. But just more vocal.

 

[Southpaw]

This isn’t really the intent. I don’t want to hold these things over you, but they’ve happened so here you go.

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/democratic-socialists-2021.1407700/page-8

I don’t advocate violence against anyone. I certainly believe they should’ve been arrested. If your point is that no one should’ve called for the shooting of the people who stormed the capitol, then you’re right. However police officers were injured that day. I believe one lost their life if I remember correctly.

But I also wouldn’t have pardoned them as if they did nothing wrong. We have posters here who’ve downplayed J6 so much you’d think it was a gathering to read books to kindergarteners and not a storming of the Capitol. That was an interesting read. Mitt Romney called it an insurrection started by Trump.