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Just nonsense. They're courting (and enlarging) the Republican constituency that believes the Covid vaccines caused more deaths than the virus.

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Wait a second. Are you still getting Covid booster shots? Do you think they should still be given to all persons every six months? I don’t know of anyone who is still getting Covid boosters… whether they believed they worked or if they thought they were harmful.
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Wait a second. Are you still getting Covid booster shots? Do you think they should still be given to all persons every six months? I don’t know of anyone who is still getting Covid boosters… whether they believed they worked or if they thought they were harmful.
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I think if people want a covid booster they should be able to get one. Yeah.

I don't know what separate point you're trying to make. The people who thought we were getting "too many boosters" or whatever your image is depicting were clearly wrong. Not enough Americans have gotten covid vaccinations or boosters, too many Americans died and continue to.
 
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Wait a second. Are you still getting Covid booster shots? Do you think they should still be given to all persons every six months? I don’t know of anyone who is still getting Covid boosters… whether they believed they worked or if they thought they were harmful.
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Do you think the government should take that option away from people? Just because you (and your politically biased peer group) don't believe in seasonal vaccines does not mean that a large swath of the public that does should be stripped of coverage for these vaccines based on conspiracies.
 
Wait a second. Are you still getting Covid booster shots? Do you think they should still be given to all persons every six months? I don’t know of anyone who is still getting Covid boosters… whether they believed they worked or if they thought they were harmful.
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My last Covid booster gave me a horrific autoimmune reaction knocking the crap out of me for a few months. No more for me till people start dropping like flies again.
 
My last Covid booster gave me a horrific autoimmune reaction knocking the crap out of me for a few months. No more for me till people start dropping like flies again.


I got a COVID booster with my flu shot last fall. My arm was sore for a couple of days. Maybe side effects depend on political affiliation 😉

I also got an MMR booster because SCA required proof of MMR vaccination which I received over 50 years ago and I lost the documentation a long time ago.
 
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I think if people want a covid booster they should be able to get one. Yeah.

I don't know what separate point you're trying to make. The people who thought we were getting "too many boosters" or whatever your image is depicting were clearly wrong. Not enough Americans have gotten covid vaccinations or boosters, too many Americans died and continue to.
Are you saying that they are taking boosters away completely or are you saying that they are no longer recommending that all people get one? I interpreted it as the latter (no longer recommending boosters for all). I think that, if people wish to get one, they should have the right to do that. I will not be one of them because the benefit for me no longer outweighs the potential risk (no matter how small or large it may be). If Covid makes a comeback or if my personal health situation were to change, then I would reassess my decision. But, I don't know of anyone recommending covid boosters right now for the average person. Is that happening in your hospital? If so, that is weird.

The point of the cartoon is that the people who think all people have to have multiple boosters per year are convinced that everyone who doesn't do that will die. The anti covid shot people think anyone who gets a covid shot will die. Thus, they are both confused by the fact that the other person has not already died. It is a funny statement on the two diametrically opposed points of view. I thought it was funny and that the point of the cartoon was obvious. I hope you understand it better with this explanation. You seem to lean more to the side of the guy who has multiple needles sticking out of his head, it would appear. I fully support your right to get as many boosters as your heart desires. My heart does not desire any (at the moment...since the covid issue now is pretty much a non-issue for 99.99% of people).
 
Wait a second. Are you still getting Covid booster shots? Do you think they should still be given to all persons every six months? I don’t know of anyone who is still getting Covid boosters… whether they believed they worked or if they thought they were harmful.
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They should probably also get rid of laws requiring seatbelts and prohibiting alcohol right?

I mean, if my Tesla catches fire, I don't want that seat belt keeping my tied down. Government needs to stay out of my life.

Similarly, a man just wants to drink a cold beer after work while driving home. Can't let the man deprive us of that freedom!

Who's with me?!
 
Do you think the government should take that option away from people? Just because you (and your politically biased peer group) don't believe in seasonal vaccines does not mean that a large swath of the public that does should be stripped of coverage for these vaccines based on conspiracies.
I believe in the ones that are good and work. I have a bandaid on my arm presently from the booster vaccine I received earlier today. It was not for covid.
 
They should probably also get rid of laws requiring seatbelts and prohibiting alcohol right?

I mean, if my Tesla catches fire, I don't want that seat belt keeping my tied down. Government needs to stay out of my life.

Similarly, a man just wants to drink a cold beer after work while driving home. Can't let the man deprive us of that freedom!

Who's with me?!
I’m not aware that previous car accidents or seatbelt use makes one less vulnerable to future car accidents but do go on

I think Covid hysteria is pretty much done, but I think anyone who wants more vaccine will easily be able to get one
 
They should probably also get rid of laws requiring seatbelts and prohibiting alcohol right?

I mean, if my Tesla catches fire, I don't want that seat belt keeping my tied down. Government needs to stay out of my life.

Similarly, a man just wants to drink a cold beer after work while driving home. Can't let the man deprive us of that freedom!

Who's with me?!

Crack open the beer and let FSD drive you home.
 
I’m not aware that previous car accidents or seatbelt use makes one less vulnerable to future car accidents but do go on

I think Covid hysteria is pretty much done, but I think anyone who wants more vaccine will easily be able to get one


I think it’s a matter of getting insurance companies to pay for vaccines.
 
They should probably also get rid of laws requiring seatbelts and prohibiting alcohol right?

I mean, if my Tesla catches fire, I don't want that seat belt keeping my tied down.

Where do you live that alcohol is prohibited?
My point is that covid vaccine at present time should be a choice. I think we agree.
I am not opposed to seat belt laws. I am not sure about the alcohol law you speak of because I thought that prohibition went away at the end of the 1920's. It doesn't affect me at all because I am not an alcohol drinker, but I support the idea that it is a person's choice. I accept the seatbelt laws because I feel it is not harmful and most likely very helpful. I would choose to do it even if it was not a law, personally, so it is not a hot button issue for me.
Do you enjoy your Tesla? I am thinking about getting one.
 
Are you saying that they are taking boosters away completely or are you saying that they are no longer recommending that all people get one? I interpreted it as the latter (no longer recommending boosters for all).

"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced on Tuesday that it will limit access to seasonal Covid-19 boosters for healthy Americans under 65 without clear evidence of clinical benefit – a shift, critics say, that will make access difficult for people who are not high risk but want to be vaccinated against the disease.

Top officials at the FDA outlined a new framework for approving Covid-19 vaccines, saying that the US would make the boosters available for Americans over the age of 65 and for adults and children above the age of 6 months with at least one condition that increases their risk of severe Covid-19.

The newly installed FDA commissioner Marty Makary and Vinay Prasad, the controversial director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, laid out the new guidelines in a commentary piece published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

They wrote that manufacturers would have to conduct randomized, controlled clinical trials before updated vaccines would receive approval for healthier people."

Cool. Sounds like we're on the same page and that the Trump administration shouldn't be doing this.


The point of the cartoon is that the people who think all people have to have multiple boosters per year are convinced that everyone who doesn't do that will die. The anti covid shot people think anyone who gets a covid shot will die. Thus, they are both confused by the fact that the other person has not already died. It is a funny statement on the two diametrically opposed points of view. I thought it was funny and that the point of the cartoon was obvious. I hope you understand it better with this explanation. You seem to lean more to the side of the guy who has multiple needles sticking out of his head, it would appear. I fully support your right to get as many boosters as your heart desires. My heart does not desire any (at the moment...since the covid issue now is pretty much a non-issue for 99.99% of people).

Easy to attack a strawman position I guess.

I believe it is patently obvious that more Americans should have gotten the Covid vaccine and boosters. Too many Americans died.
 
I think it’s a matter of getting insurance companies to pay for vaccines.
I see. I guess we will see who really thinks it is life-saving if they have to give up their $12 Starbucks iced coffee for a couple of days to pay for a Covid booster out of pocket.
Maybe Pfizer will sponsor some free shots for those who desire it but can’t afford it. Pfizer can likely afford that.
 
Easy to attack a strawman position I guess.

I believe it is patently obvious that more Americans should have gotten the Covid vaccine and boosters. Too many Americans died.
Not sure that has anything to do with strawman, but I understand that making that accusation is part of your standard debate process.

We are not talking about 4-5 years ago. That is done and gone. We are talking about whether or not Covid boosters are still a thing right now in 2025. I’m saying that I don’t know of anyone still recommending them as standard protocol for the average Joe patient. You seem to believe differently and I think that you are an outlier if you really believe it is still standard of care for right now in 2025. Are you still demanding your patients be up to date on Covid boosters or cancelling surgeries if someone is not Covid vaccinated? I hope not.
 
Not sure that has anything to do with strawman, but I understand that making that accusation is part of your standard debate process.

We are not talking about 4-5 years ago. That is done and gone. We are talking about whether or not Covid boosters are still a thing right now in 2025. I’m saying that I don’t know of anyone still recommending them as standard protocol for the average Joe patient. You seem to believe differently and I think that you are an outlier if you really believe it is still standard of care for right now in 2025. Are you still demanding your patients be up to date on Covid boosters or cancelling surgeries if someone is not Covid vaccinated? I hope not.
Why wouldn't it be the standard?

Flu/COVID vaccine is probably the cheapest, lowest risk and most cost effective preventive treatment available to high risk populations (elderly, fraild , immunocompromised, respiratory illness, etc)

Would be substandard care if a PCP didn't recommend it to suitable populations

I don't cancel patients because they didn't get a screening colonoscopy by age 45-50. Doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile procedure.
 
Not sure that has anything to do with strawman, but I understand that making that accusation is part of your standard debate process.

We are not talking about 4-5 years ago. That is done and gone. We are talking about whether or not Covid boosters are still a thing right now in 2025. I’m saying that I don’t know of anyone still recommending them as standard protocol for the average Joe patient. You seem to believe differently and I think that you are an outlier if you really believe it is still standard of care for right now in 2025. Are you still demanding your patients be up to date on Covid boosters or cancelling surgeries if someone is not Covid vaccinated? I hope not.

You keep coming up with new and increasingly stupid questions to obfuscate the original point. I am talking about how views have changed from 4-5 years ago - see original post.

I think a healthy person getting the shot today is doing it more as a civic duty than over concern they might die from covid. You're in favor of allowing people to get the vaccine, the Trump administration is limiting access... seems we agree thats bad.

I think the revisionism going on within the Republican party wrt the vaccine is bad, which was the original point of my post. You think thats bad too right?
 
Lol

“I’ll say that the reason many people refer to the Bidens as the ‘Biden crime family’ is because they were doing all this stuff behind curtains, but in the back rooms; they were trying to conceal it, and they repeatedly lied about it, and they set up shell companies, and the family was all engaged in getting all on the dole,” Johnson said. “Whatever the President Trump is doing is out in the open, they’re not trying to conceal anything."

Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House
 
You keep coming up with new and increasingly stupid questions to obfuscate the original point. I am talking about how views have changed from 4-5 years ago - see original post.

I think a healthy person getting the shot today is doing it more as a civic duty than over concern they might die from covid. You're in favor of allowing people to get the vaccine, the Trump administration is limiting access... seems we agree thats bad.

I think the revisionism going on within the Republican party wrt the vaccine is bad, which was the original point of my post. You think thats bad too right?
Sounds like you just interpret insurance companies asking you to pay for it as somehow limiting access to it. I disagree. If you want it, go get it. Pfizer will take your money. But our tax dollars don’t need to fund it. Next you’ll be asking us to buy you a new VCR because your old one broke. You deserve to watch your old movies, right? I don’t really think it’s our job to support your neuroses. Flu shot? Sure thing. Get one of those and charge it to the insurance company. Tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis? Absolutely. But Covid booster? Nope. That time passed. Read a headline every once in a while.

I’ll say it again. If you’re getting a Covid booster in 2025, you’re an outlier. I suspect you’re still wearing a mask when you’re driving in to work all by yourself in the car. I know your type.
 
Sounds like you just interpret insurance companies asking you to pay for it as somehow limiting access to it. I disagree. If you want it, go get it. Pfizer will take your money. But our tax dollars don’t need to fund it. Next you’ll be asking us to buy you a new VCR because your old one broke. You deserve to watch your old movies, right? I don’t really think it’s our job to support your neuroses. Flu shot? Sure thing. Get one of those and charge it to the insurance company. Tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis? Absolutely. But Covid booster? Nope. That time passed. Read a headline every once in a while.

I’ll say it again. If you’re getting a Covid booster in 2025, you’re an outlier. I suspect you’re still wearing a mask when you’re driving in to work all by yourself in the car. I know your type.
Some of us work with the immune compromised, or might be immune compromised ourselves, or have immune compromised family members.

We shall see what the FDA relabeling causes, but that specific verbiage feels more like “you cannot get these vaccines for any price if you are under 65 or have some risk condition”.
 
These are the guidelines. BMI>30, mood disorder, and “physical inactivity” all put you at high risk. High risk is a very low bar. Anybody who wants to qualify will qualify. If they expand eligibility to include household or occupational contacts of high risk people, virtually everybody will qualify. Seems like a nothingburger. We can work with that.


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Some of us work with the immune compromised, or might be immune compromised ourselves, or have immune compromised family members.
That’s why I said 99.99% and the “average Joe patient.”
The vast majority of people aren’t in that category.
Do you wear an N-95 mask or a PAPR for all of your patient encounters (or grocery store visits or at restaurants), on the off chance that you will encounter someone who is immunocompromised? If the answer is no, then, why not? Are you really doing all you can to help your fellow humans? I think you can do more.
 
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These are the guidelines. BMI>30, mood disorder, and “physical inactivity” all put you at high risk. High risk is a very low bar. Anybody who wants to qualify will qualify. If they expand eligibility to include household or occupational contacts of high risk people, virtually everybody will qualify. Seems like a nothingburger. We can work with that.


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Yep. That list is extensive. If a patient wants a booster, they will likely easily be able to get one. And it will most likely be at no cost to them.
 
That’s why I said 99.99% and the “average Joe patient.”
The vast majority of people aren’t in that category.
Do you wear an N-95 mask or a PAPR for all of your patient encounters (or grocery store visits or at restaurants), on the off chance that you will encounter someone who is immunocompromised? If the answer is no, then, why not? Are you really doing all you can to help your fellow humans? I think you can do more.
The entire point of the annual vaccination efforts is to avoid the need for all that and allow you to move on with your life while reducing risk to yourself and society via herd immunity.

Way back in the “before times”, that’s how flu opt out was handled: wear a mask.
 
Do you wear an N-95 mask or a PAPR for all of your patient encounters (or grocery store visits or at restaurants), on the off chance that you will encounter someone who is immunocompromised? If the answer is no, then, why not? Are you really doing all you can to help your fellow humans? I think you can do more.

You're perseverating on this Ayn Rand point.

People don't have to engage in morally optimal behavior all the time. No one does. That doesn't mean they don't/shouldn't engage in morally optimal behavior some of the time.

More people getting vaccinated is probably good today (it would surprise me if the cost:benefit analysis had swung the other way) and especially would have been good 3-4 years ago. Your party is increasingly disagreeing with that consensus. Is that a problem? Do you believe the covid vaccine is deadlier than the virus? (This should be a layup for a physician)
 
These are the guidelines. BMI>30, mood disorder, and “physical inactivity” all put you at high risk. High risk is a very low bar. Anybody who wants to qualify will qualify. If they expand eligibility to include household or occupational contacts of high risk people, virtually everybody will qualify. Seems like a nothingburger. We can work with that.


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My question would be: why institute barriers at all?

The argument they've given elsewhere is that they need to "kick the tires" on these vaccines. That drug companies need to go back and do RCTs on vaccines that traditionally did not meet the requirements for them (usually for ethics reasons). The end result of the Trump changes will be fewer Americans vaccinated and likely slower response times during a future pandemic. The message they're currently sending is: if you're healthy you SHOULDN'T get a covid vaccine.

The goal, implicit and occasionally explicit in the case of some of these anti-vaxxers in the Trump administration, is fewer people vaccinated. The more people who distrust vaccines, the fewer people getting autism in their minds.

Edit: I'll walk back my claim of "goal" and say the "end result will be fewer people getting vaccinated".
 
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My question would be: why institute barriers at all?

The argument they've given elsewhere is that they need to "kick the tires" on these vaccines. That drug companies need to go back and do RCTs on vaccines that traditionally did not meet the requirements for them (usually for ethics reasons). The end result of the Trump changes will be fewer Americans vaccinated and likely slower response times during a future pandemic. The message they're currently sending is: if you're healthy you SHOULDN'T get a covid vaccine.

The goal, implicit and occasionally explicit in the case of some of these anti-vaxxers in the Trump administration, is fewer people vaccinated. The more people who distrust vaccines, the fewer people getting autism in their minds.
You give too much of a benefit of the doubt. This is simultaneously to kill the economic case for vaccine development going forward and ALSO to provide talking points for RFKs lawsuits. “See, this vaccine is unsafe. They never did placebo trials”.

Always always always look for grift.
 
Do you believe the covid vaccine is deadlier than the virus? (This should be a layup for a physician)
Ahh. The old “gotcha” question. Very predictable.

Do you believe the virus in 2025 is deadly for an average citizen and that 100% of people should have the Covid vaccine and multiple booster shots per year and that the Covid boosters are effective in preventing the Covid virus in its current variant forms?
The original Covid vaccine was effective only for a brief period. Boosters are questionably effective against the most current variants. The virus mutates faster than the vaccines can adapt. The Covid virus did what all viruses do. The most virulent forms killed off their hosts and died along with them. The less deadly mutations that have followed have become far less of a problem and the vaccines and boosters are less effective against them. Therefore, I do not care to take a vaccine with low efficacy against a virus that ran its course 4 years ago. Especially if there is almost zero chance of lasting immunity and, having had Covid myself, my natural immunity is far more effective than the Covid vaccine and boosters. So, even if there were zero side effects (which is not the case), I don’t currently have an interest in further Covid shots.
I support your right to get as many as you want so you can feel “safe.”
 
My question would be: why institute barriers at all?

The argument they've given elsewhere is that they need to "kick the tires" on these vaccines. That drug companies need to go back and do RCTs on vaccines that traditionally did not meet the requirements for them (usually for ethics reasons). The end result of the Trump changes will be fewer Americans vaccinated and likely slower response times during a future pandemic. The message they're currently sending is: if you're healthy you SHOULDN'T get a covid vaccine.

The goal, implicit and occasionally explicit in the case of some of these anti-vaxxers in the Trump administration, is fewer people vaccinated. The more people who distrust vaccines, the fewer people getting autism in their minds.

Edit: I'll walk back my claim of "goal" and say the "end result will be fewer people getting vaccinated".
Fauci and his ilk have done more harm to the vaccination status of the US citizens than anything else. Vaccines must be trusted and when medical leaders lie and erode trust, the natural effect will be vaccine hesitancy. Based on his actions and his meetings and emails, Fauci eroded the trust that the American people had in the entire enterprise.
 
Ahh. The old “gotcha” question. Very predictable.

This isn't a gotcha question at all. It's a very straightforward question that a growing number of Republicans answer incorrectly. Apparently you believe the vaccine is deadlier than the virus too?

Do you believe the virus in 2025 is deadly for an average citizen and that 100% of people should have the Covid vaccine and multiple booster shots per year and that the Covid boosters are effective in preventing the Covid virus in its current variant forms?

I think that if we took those steps fewer people would have died over the previous years and fewer people would die in the future. Whether or not 100% of the populace NEEDS to be vaccinated probably isn't the case to achieve the maximum benefits. I haven't looked recently, but I think it's safe to say the current covid boosters offer some protection against current variants. Likely not to the same degree as earlier vaccines, but thats a product of lots of factors.

Therefore, I do not care to take a vaccine with low efficacy against a virus that ran its course 4 years ago. Especially if there is almost zero chance of lasting immunity and, having had Covid myself, my natural immunity is far more effective than the Covid vaccine and boosters. So, even if there were zero side effects (which is not the case), I don’t currently have an interest in further Covid shots.

Nowhere have I said that you personally need to take it. I have only said that it's good if many Americans take it.

Fauci and his ilk have done more harm to the vaccination status of the US citizens than anything else. Vaccines must be trusted and when medical leaders lie and erode trust, the natural effect will be vaccine hesitancy. Based on his actions and his meetings and emails, Fauci eroded the trust that the American people had in the entire enterprise

Naw man. What eroded trust in Fauci was MAGA brain rot and endless political maneuvering to paint Fauci as the villain as opposed to Trump. You know, the guy Fauci worked for.

There's a reason you're pointing to Fauci right now and it's irrespective of any of the speech or actions he took in the last 5 years.
 
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You're perseverating on this Ayn Rand point.

People don't have to engage in morally optimal behavior all the time. No one does. That doesn't mean they don't/shouldn't engage in morally optimal behavior some of the time.

More people getting vaccinated is probably good today (it would surprise me if the cost:benefit analysis had swung the other way) and especially would have been good 3-4 years ago. Your party is increasingly disagreeing with that consensus. Is that a problem? Do you believe the covid vaccine is deadlier than the virus? (This should be a layup for a physician)
Not anymore if you are MAGA.
 
Fauci and his ilk have done more harm to the vaccination status of the US citizens than anything else. Vaccines must be trusted and when medical leaders lie and erode trust, the natural effect will be vaccine hesitancy. Based on his actions and his meetings and emails, Fauci eroded the trust that the American people had in the entire enterprise.
Bro. :facepalm:
 
Did you ever stop beating your wife? Yes or no? It’s an easy question?

Walk me through this...

There has never been a time period where I have beaten my wife.

Are you implying that you believe there was a time period where a covid vaccine WAS deadlier than the virus?
 
What part do you disagree with? Do you find Fauci to be a trustworthy representative of our profession?
He got blanket presidential pardon immunity for his actions. Why?
Do you not think many people distrust Fauci based on his actions?
Yes, Trump was his boss, but he didn’t know what Fauci was up to behind the scenes. By the time he did, Trump was out of office. I trust Rand Paul’s opinion far more than Fauci’s. I think Rand Paul is correct. Fauci did many things that will cause him to not be well thought of in the history books. So, yeah, I think he set back vaccination progress (for the good vaccines) significantly. I think too many people realize the Covid vaccine was not what it was claimed to be and it caused distrust of the other, more proven, vaccines.
 
It’s a yes or no question…

Trolling now. This shouldn't be a hard question at all - especially for a physician.

In point of fact, the participants in the poll I cited could answer "definitely true, probably true, probably false, definitely false". Want to answer it like they did?

You can answer the question any way you like, you're choosing to interpret it as a yes or no question.
 
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Trolling now. This shouldn't be a hard question at all - especially for a physician.

In point of fact, the participants in the poll I cited could answer "definitely true, probably true, probably false, definitely false". Want to answer it like they did?

You can answer the question any way you like, you're choosing to interpret it as a yes or no question. You're working really hard to present yourself as antivax now.
Probably not true.
In 2021, I viewed it as a vaccine worth taking. In 2025, the risk benefit equation doesn’t hold up for me.
I’m fully vaccinated on the vaccines that work well, provide lasting immunity, and have a low side effect profile. That is almost all of them. In 2025, the Covid booster does not fit that profile for me. If you’re saying that makes me an anti vaxxer, then you are also doing damage to the trust in vaccinations by demonizing people who are not 100% in lockstep agreement with your ideals and viewpoints.
I’ve been in medicine long enough to know that today’s dogma is the next decade’s heresy. What was stated as fact about the vaccine in 2021 is already known to be fallacy and, I suspect, there will be many new revelations over the next few years about things not known in 2021.
So, I tend to be a skeptic when someone like you comes along speaking in absolutes and demonizing those who disagree with you on any part of your beliefs.
 
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In 2025, the risk benefit equation doesn’t hold up for me.

Never have I said you personally need to take a booster today. Why are you personalizing this? The argument I've made is that more Americans should have been vaccinated.

In 2025, the Covid booster does not fit that profile for me. If you’re saying that makes me an anti vaxxer, then you are also doing damage to the trust in vaccinations by demonizing people who are not 100% in lockstep agreement with your ideals and viewpoints.

Naw man, its the hemming and hawing over a simple question that you still express uncertainty over.

The idea that the vaccines were, at any point, deadlier than the virus should be laughed at. It should be "demonized".

People interested in prioritizing public health should take strong stances on layups like this. I'm much less concerned about catering to a wacko fringe that isn't likely to get vaccinated anyway than I am about providing concise answers to well meaning Americans.
 
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What part do you disagree with? Do you find Fauci to be a trustworthy representative of our profession?
He got blanket presidential pardon immunity for his actions. Why?
Do you not think many people distrust Fauci based on his actions?
Yes, Trump was his boss, but he didn’t know what Fauci was up to behind the scenes. By the time he did, Trump was out of office. I trust Rand Paul’s opinion far more than Fauci’s. I think Rand Paul is correct. Fauci did many things that will cause him to not be well thought of in the history books. So, yeah, I think he set back vaccination progress (for the good vaccines) significantly. I think too many people realize the Covid vaccine was not what it was claimed to be and it caused distrust of the other, more proven, vaccines.
I think you need to lay off the maga juice dude.
 
So, I tend to be a skeptic when someone like you comes along speaking in absolutes and demonizing those who disagree with you on any part of your beliefs.

Yeah man. I definitely think it's bad for people to believe that the covid vaccines are deadlier than the virus. I demonize the people who spread that misinformation and I think those beliefs are going to have negative consequences down the line.
 
Never have I said you personally need to take a booster today. Why are you personalizing this?



Naw man, its the hemming and hawing over a simple question that you still express uncertainty over.

The idea that the vaccines were, at any point, deadlier than the virus should be laughed at. It should be "demonized".

People interested in prioritizing public health should take strong stances like this.
Let’s revisit this in ten years. There are very few absolutes in medicine and science.

I submit to you:

Pain as the 5th vital sign and oxycodone overuse
Rofecoxib (Vioxx)
Valdecoxib (Bextra)
Aprotinin (Trasylol)
Hetastarch (Hespan)
Renal dose dopamine
Thalidomide for hyperemesis gravidum
Diethylstilbestrol for miscarriage prevention
Lobotomies to treat mental illness
Gabapentin for ERAS protocols
Cigarettes as a treatment for asthma ( sounds ridiculous now)
Heroin for cough suppression
Fen-Phen (Fenfluramine + Phentermine) for weight loss.
Radium to treat arthritis and other ailments

This is a good mix of some older and some more recent examples. Medicine is not an exact science and all of us should be asking tough questions to better ensure we reach the proper conclusions. The fact that you feel it is your moral imperative to demonize those who ask the tough questions is concerning.

To blindly believe that everything that is recommended should be adopted without question goes directly against the scientific method. Those who say “trust the science” were not willing to have their hypotheses tested during early Covid. Questioning the experts was not allowed, which goes against the scientific method, actually.

All scientists and physicians should have a healthy skepticism. It sounds as if you blindly follow. Too much skepticism is bad. Too much blind following is bad. I think your level of blindly following is very dangerous. The fact that you feel the need to demonize anyone who asks questions makes it even more dangerous.
 
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The fact that you feel it is your moral imperative to demonize those who ask the tough questions is concerning.

The "tough question" to you is "are the vaccines deadlier than the disease?".

I don't think that's a tough question.
 
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It’s been sad to watch Gern’s progressive mental rot over the last few years.

Unfortunately this is something that has been happening at a large scale across the country. I don’t know if it’s social media or what, but something is breaking people’s brains.
 
Let’s revisit this in ten years. There are very few absolutes in medicine and science.

I submit to you:

Pain as the 5th vital sign and oxycodone overuse
Rofecoxib (Vioxx)
Valdecoxib (Bextra)
Aprotinin (Trasylol)
Hetastarch (Hespan)
Renal dose dopamine
Thalidomide for hyperemesis gravidum
Diethylstilbestrol for miscarriage prevention
Lobotomies to treat mental illness
Gabapentin for ERAS protocols
Cigarettes as a treatment for asthma ( sounds ridiculous now)
Heroin for cough suppression
Fen-Phen (Fenfluramine + Phentermine) for weight loss.
Radium to treat arthritis and other ailments

This is a good mix of some older and some more recent examples. Medicine is not an exact science and all of us should be asking tough questions to better ensure we reach the proper conclusions. The fact that you feel it is your moral imperative to demonize those who ask the tough questions is concerning.

To blindly believe that everything that is recommended should be adopted without question goes directly against the scientific method. Those who say “trust the science” were not willing to have their hypotheses tested during early Covid. Questioning the experts was not allowed, which goes against the scientific method, actually.

All scientists and physicians should have a healthy skepticism. It sounds as if you blindly follow. Too much skepticism is bad. Too much blind following is bad. I think your level of blindly following is very dangerous. The fact that you feel the need to demonize anyone who asks questions makes it even more dangerous.
You can add horrific prostatectomies for Gleason 6 to your list. I saw a patient as recent as 10 years ago in preop for a prostatectomy with biopsies positive for ONE PERCENT Gleason 6. To this day I have guilt that I didn't risk my job and say, please Sir fake some angina or something and get the flock out of here.

I'd bet it still happens today, but I'm an ASC doc these days and wouldn't know. The longer you are in medicine and the more you, family, and friends have medical issues, the more you wonder are there still any really really sharp doctors left?
 
It’s been sad to watch Gern’s progressive mental rot over the last few years.

Unfortunately this is something that has been happening at a large scale across the country. I don’t know if it’s social media or what, but something is breaking people’s brains.
I'm curious, do you say people brains are broken if they weren't in favor of 25th amendmenting Resthome Joe? Or were wearing a mask outside in fresh air, sometimes even alone in a park? Or feel transitioned men competing against females is ok?

I'm thinking the brains aren't broken if they're on your team. Just a hunch.
 
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