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rowsdower88 said:
I feel like I responded with the same tone you used. Your meme was lazy and not responding to any substantive arguments made. It was not "thoughtful".

Any defense of the bill apart from "security for security's sake" and opposition to the bill indicates racism?
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I guess that, since you thought it was a meme, you likely did not watch the video. To call it lazy is dismissive, which is standard for you. You state things as you think they are and refuse to accept that there may be other realities besides your own. I think that is lazy.
 
Gern Blansten said:
I guess that, since you thought it was a meme, you likely did not watch the video. To call it lazy is dismissive, which is standard for you. You state things as you think they are and refuse to accept that there may be other realities besides your own. I think that is lazy.
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Unsurprisingly, this is still not a substantive response related to the discussion of the SAVE Act.

The "reality" is that you entered an ongoing conversation with an irrelevant post and refuse to engage with the pertinent elements of the discussion. Your "oldie" doesn't address any of the arguments I made. It's actually reminiscent of the common complaint conservatives accuse liberals of: calling them racist and not responding to salient points.
 
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Splenda88 said:
You guys/gals are talking about superfluous stuff when we have an economy in shamble.

Even families who are making 100k/yr in my small town are hurting when you talk to them.

Covid and the printing of money by both Trump/Biden have wrecked our economy
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I think Democrats are focusing on affordability in their recent messaging.

To varying degrees, Mamdani, Spanberger, Sherrill, and Menefee (guy who just won in TX) all emphasized it.

Looking at Menefee's page, its the top issue he wants to prioritize:

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Dems are hitting hard on this issue. It remains to be seen what they will do if/when they come into power. I would support taking the tariffs down and getting some of those Chinese cars over here.
 
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rowsdower88 said:
Unsurprisingly, this is still not a substantive response related to the discussion of the SAVE Act.

The "reality" is that you entered an ongoing conversation with an irrelevant post and refuse to engage with the pertinent elements of the discussion. Your "oldie" doesn't address any of the arguments I made. It's actually reminiscent of the common complaint conservatives accuse liberals of: calling them racist and not responding to salient points.
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I decided a while back that arguing with you was not worth the time because you never consider other possible opinions or viewpoints. You just state that things are as you see them and that this is indisputable. If someone states that to not be the case, you pummel them with repetitive posts stating that your view is the only one. So, I just respond as I wish to and do not conform to how you insist that I must respond. Sorry to disappoint. It really is just not worth it and I actually am far too busy to be on here 24/7 like you are. This is just a light hobby for me and I don't take it as seriously as you do. You are approaching as many posts as I have, and I have been here 20 years and you have been here about 3.
 
Gern Blansten said:
I decided a while back that arguing with you was not worth the time because you never consider other possible opinions or viewpoints. You just state that things are as you see them and that this is indisputable. If someone states that to not be the case, you pummel them with repetitive posts stating that your view is the only one. So, I just respond as I wish to and do not conform to how you insist that I must respond. Sorry to disappoint. It really is just not worth it and I actually am far too busy to be on here 24/7 like you are. This is just a light hobby for me and I don't take it as seriously as you do. You are approaching as many posts as I have, and I have been here 20 years and you have been here about 3.
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Maybe you'll let me know the viewpoint I'm not considering some other time. 😉
 
WhatJobDoIPick said:
Why does all of the EU do it? I can't understand the logic of arguing against increased election security. It's not even a partisan issue.
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I mean, if you want to enact some of the EU's policies, there are a few others I'd consider. The right-ists don't usually say we should be more like Europe, but I guess when it's convenient.
 
rowsdower88 said:
Maybe you'll let me know the viewpoint I'm not considering some other time. 😉
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You have been so rigid on every liberal talking point since you first started posting here, whether it is covid, vaccines, biden, trump, kamala, ICE, border security, voting, governmental fraud, or whatever else you comment on. You and your group just use volumes of posts to shout down opposing views. Due to your responses being so voluminous and most often literally moments after someone else posts, I have often wondered if you are an AI bot. Another part of why I don't respond to everything that you post. I cannot tolerate the idea that I may be trying to reason with a bot.
 
Anybody see this mechanism of injury before?

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Takeaways from AP report on ICE claims that immigrant shattered his skull running into wall

A Mexican immigrant was taken to a Minneapolis hospital earlier this month after bones in his face and skull were broken while he was in federal custody.
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Then there’s this..

“ICE officers have entered the hospital with seriously injured detainees and stayed at their bedside day after day, staffers said. The crackdown has been unsettling to hospital employees, who said ICE agents have been seen loitering on hospital grounds and asking patients and employees for proof of citizenship.“
 
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cchoukal said:
I mean, if you want to enact some of the EU's policies, there are a few others I'd consider. The right-ists don't usually say we should be more like Europe, but I guess when it's convenient.
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That is what being a partisan hack means. Lol
 
Gern Blansten said:
You have been so rigid on every liberal talking point since you first started posting here, whether it is covid, vaccines, biden, trump, kamala, ICE, border security, voting, governmental fraud, or whatever else you comment on. You and your group just use volumes of posts to shout down opposing views. Due to your responses being so voluminous and most often literally moments after someone else posts, I have often wondered if you are an AI bot. Another part of why I don't respond to everything that you post. I cannot tolerate the idea that I may be trying to reason with a bot.
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Well, I guess we'll never know what your viewpoints are on the SAVE Act.

Gern Blansten said:
I cannot tolerate the idea that I may be trying to reason with a bot.
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You'll never know...

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rowsdower88 said:
I think Democrats are focusing on affordability in their recent messaging.

To varying degrees, Mamdani, Spanberger, Sherrill, and Menefee (guy who just won in TX) all emphasized it.

Looking at Menefee's page, its the top issue he wants to prioritize:

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Dems are hitting hard on this issue. It remains to be seen what they will do if/when they come into power. I would support taking the tariffs down and getting some of those Chinese cars over here.
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The economy is worse than it was 4 yrs ago. Republicans better wake up.
 
Splenda88 said:
The economy is worse than it was 4 yrs ago. Republicans better wake up.
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I'll throw @Gern Blansten a bone and talk about something Republicans/Trump seem to be doing that may be beneficial for future affordability.

I'm a big fan of baby bonds, and despite naming them "Trump accounts", the idea in theory is great. Full execution remains to be seen, but there have been a few billionaires who have pledged supporting the accounts as well which - to be clear - is good.

Now... I don't know if it's “the defining policy of America’s 250th anniversary" as Scott Bessent says, but it's good.

 
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rowsdower88 said:
The question that should be asked is: what is the problem we're trying to solve with this legislation?

The stated goal is to make our elections safer, but there is no evidence our elections are conducted unsafely. The real goals of these bills are usually to make voting more inconvenient or time consuming.

Ex. Reducing polling stations in certain neighborhoods (you know the ones) increases wait times to vote. Increasing wait times depresses turnout. (1)

The SAVE Act, among other things, would in practice end registration by mail and online registration. It would severely curtail voter registration drives as well. (2) It requires a passport or birth certificate to be presented in person to an election official.

The degree to which these changes would have a partisan outcome is debatable. Given how women typically favor the democratic party - the birth certificate requirement conflicting with women who have changed their names is problematic.

"Additionally, birth certificates often lack information that matches a person’s current identity. For instance, someone who has changed their name through marriage or court order may need to present a third document (such as a marriage certificate) to join their proof of citizenship (e.g., birth certificate) with their proof of identity (e.g., driver’s license), further decreasing the likelihood that a voter will have the appropriate documentation on hand to successfully register.

Even if voters were to provide documentary proof of citizenship, verifying the authenticity of those documents is an inherently complex task, one that election officials and motor vehicle departments often do not have the resources or training to perform." (3)

I'll also point out the sharp penalties that election workers would face for even inadvertently allowing someone to vote (even if they are a citizen) without the exact proper documentation. This is going to have further effects, namely reducing the number of volunteers who want to help do this job. It's going to make our elections much more expensive in the long run to conduct.

"The SAVE Act also exposes election officials to heightened legal and personal risk. It establishes criminal penalties for officials who register an applicant who fails to present documentary proof of citizenship, even if that applicant is in fact a U.S. citizen. The bill also authorizes private individuals to sue election officials under the same circumstances."

For all of the conservatives who bemoan the debateably onerous hoops to jump through to own a firearm, they should be asking themselves: why are we making voting harder and not easier for Americans?

1. https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/How-lines-depress-future-turnout.pdf

2. VOTE: Could you vote if the SAVE Act is passed?

3. Five Things to Know About the SAVE Act
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Wouldn't such requirements affect all voters, regardless of party? It would make it harder for Republicans to vote, too.
 
arkgal said:
Wouldn't such requirements affect all voters, regardless of party? It would make it harder for Republicans to vote, too.
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I'll quote myself:

"The degree to which these changes would have a partisan outcome is debatable."

I don't know what research has been done on this particular bill but we can have facially neutral laws that have disparate impacts. This isn't a new concept.

Kansas, a famously red state, had a significant negative outcome when they implemented a similar law. I tried to stress these negative non-partisan outcomes in my posts, but that doesn't mean we should pretend to be ignorant that such laws can and probably would affect the turnout of one party more than the other.

I trust my legislators to some extent, their near total opposition to this bill as constituted suggests to me they have good reason to oppose it on a partisan basis.
 
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Pretty accurate description in original post about the current state of affairs.
 
It’s a worry for the country’s future more than anything else. We are quite possibly living through the self-inflicted collapse of the republic and it’s painful to watch.

I mean myself and almost everyone posting here is going to be okay. Daily issues concerning everyday Americans such as inflation and income inequality won’t really impact us.

Only I will be living in a much worse society full of moral decay and poverty.
 
Johan321 said:
It’s a worry for the country’s future more than anything else. We are quite possibly living through the self-inflicted collapse of the republic and it’s painful to watch.

I mean myself and almost everyone posting here is going to be okay. Daily issues concerning everyday Americans such as inflation and income inequality won’t really impact us.

Only I will be living in a much worse society full of moral decay and poverty.
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What a tale of woe.
 
cittykat said:
Trump’s greatest talent. Nickname game is on point. Sadly wasted in politics

List of nicknames used by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

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That is a good list. Thanks for sharing. They left out one of his most funny or cringy ones. I forgot who he said it to, but didn’t he tell a reporter, “Quiet piggy!” ?
Will Ferrell did a one man show years ago where he was George Bush throughout his career. It was put out on DVD a long time ago. It was called “You’re Welcome America”
At the end of the show, he brought up the house lights and did crowd work for about 15 minutes with the premise of, “shout out your name and what you do for a living and I will assign you a nickname” all while maintaining the Bush persona. It was the best part of the whole show. Bush was also well known to have nicknames for people.
If you like Will Ferrell, you will love it…if you can still find it anywhere. Ferrell is polarizing and I know a lot of people don’t think he’s funny, so I put the disclaimer.
 
Johan321 said:
All of us will be. But 30% of the population will be still loving it. It’s all entertainment for them.

Happily cut your own leg off as long as it owns the libs.
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The libs own themselves. I have to do absolutely nothing, much less something as dramatic as cutting off my leg. Meanwhile, libs are literally cutting off body parts that are perfectly normal in pursuit of ideas based in pseudoscience. So, I don’t think your analogy works very well.
The 30% number is likely a bit low.
 
rowsdower88 said:
Well, I guess we'll never know what your viewpoints are on the SAVE Act.



You'll never know...

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Southpaw already openly stated he uses AI’s Gemini as the content source for his posts. Not the psychotic and disturbed rants, but all of the other ones.
 
Gern Blansten said:
This tracks with my observations.



**Cue the dismissal of this data based on the website or the ones who posted it or whatever else. My point is, it completely representative of what I have seen.
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Tell me you didn’t read the paper without actually telling me.
 
Gern Blansten said:
The libs own themselves. I have to do absolutely nothing, much less something as dramatic as cutting off my leg. Meanwhile, libs are literally cutting off body parts that are perfectly normal in pursuit of ideas based in pseudoscience. So, I don’t think your analogy works very well.
The 30% number is likely a bit low.
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Johan321 said:
It’s a worry for the country’s future more than anything else. We are quite possibly living through the self-inflicted collapse of the republic and it’s painful to watch.

I mean myself and almost everyone posting here is going to be okay. Daily issues concerning everyday Americans such as inflation and income inequality won’t really impact us.

Only I will be living in a much worse society full of moral decay and poverty.
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The liberal hyperbole is something else. The sky is not falling because Trump has a terrible personality.

Moral decay? What's changed in the last 30 years?

There will always be income inequality. That's just the nature of living in a capitalist society. But I know I'd rather be poor in the United States than any other country. Social services plus a real chance at economic mobility unlike numerous other countries.

My immigrant parents who came from a third world country and are now living a life they could hardly imagine when they were kids can attest to that.
 
rowsdower88 said:
Yes, it is strange but I usually expect there to be good reasons for passing laws that will likely result in higher taxpayer costs, more litigation, and more of a hassle for many American voters.

I could make a similar "security" argument for building another aircraft carrier. But hopefully people will be smart enough to demand justifications for the extra security that carrier would provide.

Most people don't buy a second padlock for their bicycle when they already have a perfectly fine one at home.
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What we're talking about is getting security to the level of other countries.

If every other country has 10 nuclear weapons and we have none, that's a problem.

If every other country requires legitimate identification but we don't, that's a problem.

Do I think there is massive fraud? Probably not. Do I think security can be better, yes.

But it's highly partisan so you can't even have a reasonable debate. Liberals are fine with things as they currently are. But there are definite examples of voter fraud in general. And who knows how many cases did not get caught.

There is fraud on literally every facet of government→EDD, academic, insurance billing, etc. Logically, why would voting somehow be the sacred cow with literally no fraud?
 
anonperson said:
If every other country requires legitimate identification but we don't, that's a problem.
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Can you explain to me why the current forms of identification required are not sufficiently "legitimate"?

anonperson said:
Liberals are fine with things as they currently are.
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Yeah. Because you haven't demonstrated a problem.

anonperson said:
But there are definite examples of voter fraud in general. And who knows how many cases did not get caught.
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electionfraud.heritage.org

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDataviz
electionfraud.heritage.org electionfraud.heritage.org

One of the most conservative organizations in the US that researches this finds paltry evidence for voter fraud. It is not a serious concern. Many of the cases they cite are false registrations as well, so in these cases the vote tally wasn't even affected.

anonperson said:
Logically, why would voting somehow be the sacred cow with literally no fraud?
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I have not said there is literally no fraud. I believe the existing protections built in have kept fraud to acceptable levels. Voter fraud is extremely rare.

Imagine I wanted to create the TSA if 9-11 hadn't occurred (hyperbolic, but you get the point). There would be some understandable pushback right? Probably from deficit hawks right? Would you support a TSA that potentially prevents 12% of legitimate ticket holding passengers from flying (see next post)? You can always say "we need more security". But you have to justify it because that security comes with costs. Can you at least acknowledge that your proposed bill with additional security comes with costs?

Imagine we Institute the bill as written and we have a similar experience nationwide as Kansas did after they tried it.

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Kansas once required voters to prove citizenship. That didn't work out so well

Republicans made claims about illegal voting by noncitizens a centerpiece of their 2024 campaign messaging.
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Federal courts ultimately declared the law an unconstitutional burden on voting rights. It hasn't been enforced since 2018.

Edit: I would also point out, that many of the cases of voter fraud that do occur, could likely still occur even if this becomes law. Because the citizenship requirements in the SAVE act really only target illegal immigrant voting, the additional security provisions might not impact the other forms of fraud (which are also very rare).
 
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"Republicans made claims about illegal voting by noncitizens a centerpiece of their 2024 campaign messaging and plan to push legislation in the new Congress requiring voters to provide proof of U.S. citizenship. Yet there’s one place with a GOP supermajority where linking voting to citizenship appears to be a nonstarter: Kansas.

That’s because the state has been there, done that, and all but a few Republicans would prefer not to go there again. Kansas imposed a proof-of-citizenship requirement over a decade ago that grew into one of the biggest political fiascos in the state in recent memory.

The law, passed by the state Legislature in 2011 and implemented two years later, ended up blocking the voter registrations of more than 31,000 U.S. citizens who were otherwise eligible to vote. That was 12% of everyone seeking to register in Kansas for the first time. Federal courts ultimately declared the law an unconstitutional burden on voting rights, and it hasn’t been enforced since 2018.

Kansas provides a cautionary tale about how pursuing an election concern that in fact is extremely rare risks disenfranchising a far greater number of people who are legally entitled to vote. The state’s top elections official, Secretary of State Scott Schwab, championed the idea as a legislator and now says states and the federal government shouldn’t touch it."

apnews.com

Kansas once required voters to prove citizenship. That didn't work out so well

Republicans made claims about illegal voting by noncitizens a centerpiece of their 2024 campaign messaging.
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Yeah. Lets do this again. But make it nationwide.
 
anonperson said:
The liberal hyperbole is something else. The sky is not falling because Trump has a terrible personality.

Moral decay? What's changed in the last 30 years?

There will always be income inequality. That's just the nature of living in a capitalist society. But I know I'd rather be poor in the United States than any other country. Social services plus a real chance at economic mobility unlike numerous other countries.

My immigrant parents who came from a third world country and are now living a life they could hardly imagine when they were kids can attest to that.
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Lot has changed in past decade alone. Let alone in 30 years.

Conservatives have never gotten over the fact that America elected a black president. It broke their brain, and it has been all about the revenge since then. So, that’s why we are in a situation we are in now.

“There will always be income inequality”

You bet. But being a healthcare professional, you should understand the impact of beautiful bill on a bottom 50%.

“My immigrant parents who came from a third world country and are now living a life they could hardly imagine when they were kids can attest to that.”

So are we. But America that we grew up in (ie. a place full of opportunities and immense social/ economic mobility) is slipping away. It’s all thanks to republican economic policies which is nothing more than a wealth transfer from the bottom to wealthy and corporations.

“Trickle down economics” doesn’t work. Defunding public education doesn’t work. Cutting science budget doesn’t work. Destroying the trade relations with the entire world doesn’t work. Destroying the legal guardrails doesn’t work.

Who knew that?
 
Just stopping by to say—

It’s very amusing to watch people, for free, develop justifications and rationalities for what this man does. As you all find citations and twist yourselves into pretzels to justify his every whim and intellectual flatulence he is a bit busy “truthing videos” to stop by and say thank you.




So I’ll do it.

Thank you for renting your minds in order to obtain nothing for you in return.

Celebrate In Love GIF by HBO Max
 
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Cult members who don’t know they’re in a cult yet.
 
anonperson said:
Los Angeles county.
Not near the coast.

Hardly any white people in the area.
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So, you support this despicable man that just posted two Black people as apes? I get it. We will see you at the polls.
eta: And, of all the times to do it, despicable chooses Black History Month. Was he high, drunk, sundowning? I don’t really care, but I guess I am trying to keep my sanity during these crazy times. I am supposed to be on my way to work, but I am so outraged, I have to cool down first.
 
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odoreater said:
Just stopping by to say—

It’s very amusing to watch people, for free, develop justifications and rationalities for what this man does. As you all find citations and twist yourselves into pretzels to justify his every whim and intellectual flatulence he is a bit busy “truthing videos” to stop by and say thank you.




So I’ll do it.

Thank you for renting your minds in order to obtain nothing for you in return.

Celebrate In Love GIF by HBO Max
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Perfect example of moral decay.

You know who’s not in the Epstein files? Black people. And the only person in the Epstein files who didn’t kiss his butt is Norm Finkelstein.
 
cittykat said:
Perfect example of moral decay.

You know who’s not in the Epstein files? Black people. And the only person in the Epstein files who didn’t kiss his butt is Norm Finkelstein.
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(Herman Cain is not in the Epstein Files that have been publicly released... so far)
 
cittykat said:
Perfect example of moral decay.

You know who’s not in the Epstein files? Black people. And the only person in the Epstein files who didn’t kiss his butt is Norm Finkelstein.
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It does appear a lot of the MAGAs (Elon, lutnick, Trump, Attia) were heavily involved with Epstein. But then again there have been people here for many many years highlighting the disparity between what these men say publicly and how they live their lives privately.

Put another way, the MAGAs have done well with the religious right, many of which have completely abandoned the actual teachings of Jesus in the name of ‘whatever Trump says goes’ and ‘might makes right’.
 
odoreater said:
Just stopping by to say—

It’s very amusing to watch people, for free, develop justifications and rationalities for what this man does. As you all find citations and twist yourselves into pretzels to justify his every whim and intellectual flatulence he is a bit busy “truthing videos” to stop by and say thank you.




So I’ll do it.

Thank you for renting your minds in order to obtain nothing for you in return.

Celebrate In Love GIF by HBO Max
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Nothing to see here. Trump will be Trump. Lol

The more people like @emergentmd @anonperson defend Trump, the more despicable Trump has become.
 
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