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Worst WW3 ever.

Yup. We’ve survived WWIII and “massive economic collapse”, all since April.

Wonder what the Democrats’ NEXT “chicken little” event is going to be……..?……..
 
Iran has little power left after Hamas and Hezbollah were dismantled.

Doesnt necessarily mean they wont try an act of terrorism. But in terms of military..they don't pose any real threat.
Where are you getting this from? Did you make every word up?

IRan for sure isn't winning many wars solo but they have a huge country with lots of men and lots of religious zealots. As we've seen from Russia they have a thriving indigenous drone program. They absolutely do pose a huge threat and for a long time to come.

Why would they pour all their resources into Hamas or Hezbollah as you seem to think they have... Makes no sense, definitely not true. They gave a lot but not all to these groups. Learned a lot too unsure... Remember Hamas killed 1300 ppl in one day... Iran is absolutely capable
 
Credit where credit is due.

Anything else is just noise. Partisan hackery.
Trump got lucky for now. We will see how long this last. Muslim Jewish relations are always tedious.

I’ve always been intrigued how hitler handled the Arab world. He tolerated them. But we all know he probably looked down on them.

It’s like how the asa handles the aana. We really don’t like the aana. Hitler really didn’t like the Arabs. But hitler knew the Arabs were crazy. And hitler was was crazy himself. And crazy people don’t like to mess with crazy people. Just saying.
 
I’ve always been intrigued how hitler handled the Arab world. He tolerated them. But we all know he probably looked down on them.

It’s like how the asa handles the aana. We really don’t like the aana. Hitler really didn’t like the Arabs. But hitler knew the Arabs were crazy. And hitler was was crazy himself. And crazy people don’t like to mess with crazy people. Just saying.

Nah. I’m on a higher level than 98% of people.

I’m future thinking. Many of you guys are stuck in the 2000s mentality.

So this is what somebody operating in the 98th percentile sounds like. Wild stuff. I'll never be on this level.
 
So this is what somebody operating in the 98th percentile sounds like. Wild stuff. I'll never be on this level.

The more taxes you pay, the lower your percentile. That's just how we 98th percentilers operate.

Also, my days are 8 hours long, so I can fit three days into your one day. This allows me to be in five places at once taking eight beeper calls for ten different hospitals in a fifty mile radius all at the same time, while sleeping for dollars of course. Compound this over a decade or two, and you're way behind, man. Future thinking. 98th. Percentile.
 
I’ve always been intrigued how hitler handled the Arab world. He tolerated them. But we all know he probably looked down on them.
Hitler could have squashed the Middle East but being unaware how rich and valuable the land was at the time probably concluded it's just one big hot pile of sand filled with crazy people he had no interest in ruling.
 
Hitler could have squashed the Middle East but being unaware how rich and valuable the land was at the time probably concluded it's just one big hot pile of sand filled with crazy people he had no interest in ruling.
I’m just imaging the terrorists in the Middle East vs Hitler in 2025. That would be be some bat crazy fighting to the death. Crazies fighting crazies. They should make a movie about it. And Jewish entertainment industry in Los Angeles should direct it and make money off of it.
 
Nobody promises anything. Unless it's in writing, it ain't happening. We'll see.
I can’t stand prior authorizations. We all know it’s delay tactics. Especially for expensive drugs like ozempic. Like what part does hga1c of 9 and patient trying various diabetes drugs already do they not understand? Patient met the requirement for ozempic and still denied. So pcp has to manually filled another forum out. Fax it over. Just wasting time hoping the prescriber and or patient give up.
 
So, Iran (and Russia) used the threat of the Hormuz Strait and an oil price crisis to get trump to give in and force Israel to back off. Iran's regime remains in place, with a nuclear program that is intact. Now they can prioritize making/getting bombs and Netanyahu's position is likely weakened.
 
Where are you getting this from? Did you make every word up?

IRan for sure isn't winning many wars solo but they have a huge country with lots of men and lots of religious zealots. As we've seen from Russia they have a thriving indigenous drone program. They absolutely do pose a huge threat and for a long time to come.

Why would they pour all their resources into Hamas or Hezbollah as you seem to think they have... Makes no sense, definitely not true. They gave a lot but not all to these groups. Learned a lot too unsure... Remember Hamas killed 1300 ppl in one day... Iran is absolutely capable
Shahed drones? Slow and easy to shoot down. They barely do any damage in Ukraine...so little threat to the us or Israel.

Israel and the US would quickly and thoroughly wipe the floor with Iran. Thats why Iran only hits back with symbolic military actions.

They put resources into those proxies on order to avoid direct retribution from Israel and the US.
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Who exactly is Iran a real threat to? Can they initiate small scale actions? Sure. But those aren't true military threats
 
I'm sure the ceasefire was real in his head. Conservatives really need to get it in their head that Trump actually IS trying to direct foreign policy and geopolitical affairs through his social media company and account. It's either that OR he is just posting grandstanding bull**** to make it SEEM like he is doing something. Both are absolutely atrocious behavior from the president of our country.

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In the spirit of giving credit where credit is due, allow me to repost this simple, cogent analysis of the history of the Middle East offered by trump to reporters. Mad props.

“We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don’t know what the **** they’re doing,” he told them.
 
In the spirit of giving credit where credit is due, allow me to repost this simple, cogent analysis of the history of the Middle East offered by trump to reporters. Mad props.

“We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don’t know what the **** they’re doing,” he told them.
I actually like that description.

The geopolitical equivalent of the Hatfields vs McCoys.
 
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"Nearly two-thirds (64%) of the public holds unfavorable views of the “One Big Beautiful Bill” passed last month by the House, nearly twice the share who view the bill favorably (35%), a new KFF Health Tracking Poll finds.

The budget reconciliation bill that includes tax and budget cuts – much of which affect health care – is viewed unfavorably by large majorities of Democrats (85%) and independents (71%), but favorably by six in 10 Republicans (61%).

Among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who identify as supporters of President Trump’s Make America Great Again (MAGA) movement, a large majority (72%) view the bill favorably. In contrast, most Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who don’t identify as MAGA supporters view the bill unfavorably (66%)."


We'll see if they can drag the Big Beautiful Bill across the finish line.
 
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A preliminary classified U.S. report says the American bombing of Iran’s nuclear sites sealed off the entrances to two of the facilities but did not collapse their underground buildings, according to officials familiar with the findings.

The early findings conclude that the strikes over the weekend set back Iran’s nuclear program by only a few months, the officials said.




Glad we risked an actual war for that result.
 

A preliminary classified U.S. report says the American bombing of Iran’s nuclear sites sealed off the entrances to two of the facilities but did not collapse their underground buildings, according to officials familiar with the findings.

The early findings conclude that the strikes over the weekend set back Iran’s nuclear program by only a few months, the officials said.




Glad we risked an actual war for that result.
All warfare is based on deception.
 

A preliminary classified U.S. report says the American bombing of Iran’s nuclear sites sealed off the entrances to two of the facilities but did not collapse their underground buildings, according to officials familiar with the findings.

The early findings conclude that the strikes over the weekend set back Iran’s nuclear program by only a few months, the officials said.




Glad we risked an actual war for that result.

It’s probably a little early to trust the first leaked report because you so badly want the I told you so moment. We appear to have a tenuous ceasefire going, that alone was arguably worth the risk. I don’t understand rooting for any of this to be a failure.
 
It’s probably a little early to trust the first leaked report because you so badly want the I told you so moment. We appear to have a tenuous ceasefire going, that alone was arguably worth the risk. I don’t understand rooting for any of this to be a failure.
I’m not rooting for failure. I’m questioning Trump’s decision making. Am I supposed to wholeheartedly believe trump then that the nuclear program is completely destroyed?
 
I’m not rooting for failure. I’m questioning Trump’s decision making. Am I supposed to wholeheartedly believe trump then that the nuclear program is completely destroyed?
Nope. But it is not impossible that this may be a fake report designed to allow the Iranians to save face.
 
I’m not rooting for failure. I’m questioning Trump’s decision making. Am I supposed to wholeheartedly believe trump then that the nuclear program is completely destroyed?
Trump's an idiot but Iran is a problem for the whole world if they get a nuke.
 
Nope. It's a problem for Israel. No one believes that Iran will attack the US if they have nuke.

Iran proper, no. Just like Pakistan. But nuclear terrorism is a jihadists wet dream. I’d just assume keep that likelihood as fanciful as Tom Clancy novels. Another nation that deals in terrorism by proxy brings it one step closer to reality.
 

A preliminary classified U.S. report says the American bombing of Iran’s nuclear sites sealed off the entrances to two of the facilities but did not collapse their underground buildings, according to officials familiar with the findings.

The early findings conclude that the strikes over the weekend set back Iran’s nuclear program by only a few months, the officials said.




Glad we risked an actual war for that result.
This should not be surprising to anyone, and it backs up what Tulsi Gabbard (of all people) said, before she was told to shut up. She was actually telling the truth. Also, how quickly Iran agreed to and attempted to ceasefire should have been a pretty big clue. They wanted everyone to believe their sites got destroyed. Like I said yesterday, this was trump caving to Iran/Russia's threat to shut off the Strait of Hormuz. There's no way he's risking an oil price crisis for this. He wants cheap oil.
 
Did North Korea blow up the US after they got nukes? No one is foolish enough when we have overwhelming advantages.
Because they are not suicidal jihadists whose ideology is more important than the lives of millions of their citizens.
 
Nope. It's a problem for Israel. No one believes that Iran will attack the US if they have nuke.
And the logical response of Israel is to threaten to launch all their nukes at the largest population centers in the Jew hating Middle East should they get nuked.
 
I think it’s sad that so many people who are so incredibly lucky to live in the greatest country on Earth, have the audacity to hate it so much.
The Pax Americana has been far from perfect, with some terrible decisions made. But imagine a world where China, Russia, Iran, etc are the superpowers. I think the world will be longing for what was lost.
 
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It’s probably a little early to trust the first leaked report because you so badly want the I told you so moment. We appear to have a tenuous ceasefire going, that alone was arguably worth the risk. I don’t understand rooting for any of this to be a failure.
Eh.

Looks like we congratulated Trump too soon. Given Trumps history of prolific lying...i would believe a report i got out of a fortune cookie over anything he says
 
This should not be surprising to anyone, and it backs up what Tulsi Gabbard (of all people) said, before she was told to shut up. She was actually telling the truth. Also, how quickly Iran agreed to and attempted to ceasefire should have been a pretty big clue. They wanted everyone to believe their sites got destroyed. Like I said yesterday, this was trump caving to Iran/Russia's threat to shut off the Strait of Hormuz. There's no way he's risking an oil price crisis for this. He wants cheap oil.


The flip side to that is Israel would never agree to a cease fire if they did not believe their short term objectives were met. So I guess we will wait and see. I know the left is dying to find any scrap of evidence to downplay the successful campaign, but little early to say what the long term ramifications are.
 
I think it’s sad that so many people who are so incredibly lucky to live in the greatest country on Earth, have the audacity to hate it so much.


It’s widely acknowledged that we have supported terrorism and terrorists when we think it will suit our needs. Nicaraguan Contras, mujahideen Islamists in Afghanistan, you name it. We call them freedom fighters until we or they switch alliances. Terrorism is a relative term.



 
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“In a timeline of Trump’s decision to drop 12 of the reportedly 20 Massive Ordnance Penetrator bombs the U.S. military possessed on Iran, New York Times reporters confirmed what Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo judged from the beginning: Trump wanted in on the optics of what seemed to be Israel’s successful strikes against Iran.

Andrew Perez and Asawin Suebsaeng of Rolling Stone reported conversations with administration officials who confirmed there was no new intelligence to suggest Iran was on the brink of producing nuclear weapons.

Mark Mazzetti, Jonathan Swan, Maggie Haberman, Eric Schmitt, and Helene Cooper reported yesterday in the New York Times that Trump had warned Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu against striking Iran but changed his mind after seeing how Israel’s military action was “playing” on television. The reporters write: “The president was closely monitoring Fox News, which was airing wall-to-wall praise of Israel’s military operation and featuring guests urging Mr. Trump to get more involved.”

Trump began to hint he had been part of the operation, and military advisors began to draw up plans for a strike. According to the reporters, by June 17—three days after his military parade had fizzled and more than 5 million Americans had turned out to protest his administration—Trump had decided to bomb Iran.

Rather than keeping the mission quiet, Trump issued increasingly aggressive social media posts appearing to hint at a strike. David E. Sanger of the New York Times cited reports from Israeli intelligence saying that Iranian officials had removed 400 kilograms (about 880 pounds) of enriched uranium from the Fordo enrichment plant to another nuclear complex, although at least some equipment and records would likely have remained there.

Republicans have talked about bombing Iran to stop its nuclear aspirations since the early 2000s, but the relationship between the U.S. and Iran relating to nuclear technology actually reaches back to 1953. In that year, under President Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the United Kingdom supported a coup against the elected Iranian prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, after he called for the nationalization of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, in which British interests controlled a majority stake.

In his place, the former leader of the country, Mohammad Reza Shah, retook power. In 1954, Iran accepted a 25-year agreement that gave western oil companies 50% ownership of Iran’s oil production.

At the same time, President Eisenhower proposed trying to defang international fears of nuclear war by shifting nuclear technologies toward civilian uses, including energy. On December 8, 1953, he spoke before the General Assembly of the United Nations in New York City on how atomic energy could be used for peaceful ends. The initiative, known as “Atoms for Peace,”

provided reactors, nuclear fuel, and training for scientists for countries that promised they would use the technology only for peaceful civilian purposes.

In 1967 the U.S. supplied a nuclear reactor and highly enriched uranium to Iran, and trained Iranian scientists in the United States. In 1974, according to Ariana Rowberry of the Brookings Institution, the shah announced he intended to build 20 new reactors in the next 20 years.

Then, in 1979, the Islamic revolution in Iran forced out the shah and put Islamic leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in power. After the U.S. admitted the shah into the country for cancer treatments, Iranian students stormed the U.S. embassy, taking 52 Americans hostage for 444 days. The U.S. cut diplomatic ties with Iran, imposed sanctions, froze Iranian assets in the U.S., and ended the civilian nuclear cooperation agreement with Iran.

Iran turned to Pakistan, China, and Russia to expand its nuclear program. Tensions between the U.S. and Iran increased until Republican politicians talked about bombing the sites of Iran’s nuclear program. Famously, Arizona senator John McCain joked about bombing Iran in 2007 when he was running for the Republican presidential nomination, singing “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” to the tune of the Beach Boys’ classic song “Barbara Ann.”

McCain lost the 2008 election to Democratic president Barack Obama, and in 2013 at the beginning of his second term, Obama began high-level talks to cap Iran’s enrichment of uranium that could be used for weapons. In 2015, forty-seven Republican senators, led by then freshman senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas, tried to blow up the talks, sending an open letter to Iranian officials to put them on notice that “the next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.”

This was an astonishing breach of the longstanding U.S. tradition of presenting a united front in foreign negotiations. Nonetheless, in 2015 the U.S., Iran, China, Russia, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, and the European Union signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) that limited Iran’s enriched uranium in exchange for the lifting of sanctions.

At about the same time, negotiators settled an unrelated case between the U.S. and Iran at The Hague, involving the return of American prisoners to the U.S. and Iranian assets frozen in the U.S. to Iran. Since Iran was cut off from international finance systems at the time, the U.S. returned some of those assets in 2016 as Swiss francs, euros, and other currencies. Donald Trump, who was then running for the presidency, insisted that the Obama administration had sent “pallets of cash” to Iran as part of a deal to free the prisoners. “Iran was in big trouble, they had sanctions, they were dying, we took off the sanctions and made this horrible deal and now they’re a power,” Trump told reporters.

Then, in 2016, voters put Trump in the White House. Although the nuclear deal appeared to be working, Trump left it in 2018, calling it a “horrible one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made.” Without the U.S. the agreement broke down. Iran resumed its program for enriching uranium.

A week and a half ago, on June 12, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu launched strikes against Iran, and on June 21, Trump ordered strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear sites, claiming that after 40 years of Iranian hostility, “Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.”

In fact, the effect of the strikes is not at all clear, although Trump insisted yet again this afternoon that “[o]bliteration is an accurate term!... Bullseye!!!”

Trump’s strikes on Iran underscore how Republican leaders see governance. They seemed to see the careful negotiations under Obama and the international inspections that certified Iran’s adherence to the JCPOA as signs of weakness, preferring simply to use American military might to impose U.S. will. Trump has combined that dominance ideology with his enthusiasm for performances that play well on television.

This afternoon, Iran responded to the U.S. strikes with its own missile attack on a U.S. military base in Qatar, after warning of the upcoming attack to enable Qatar to intercept the missiles.

Trump posted on social media: “Iran has officially responded to our Obliteration of their Nuclear Facilities with a very weak response, which we expected, and have very effectively countered. There have been 14 missiles fired—13 were knocked down, and 1 was ‘set free,’ because it was headed in a nonthreatening direction. I am pleased to report that NO Americans were harmed, and hardly any damage was done. Most importantly, they’ve gotten it all out of their ‘system,’ and there will, hopefully, be no further HATE. I want to thank Iran for giving us early notice, which made it possible for no lives to be lost, and nobody to be injured. Perhaps Iran can now proceed to Peace and Harmony in the Region, and I will enthusiastically encourage Israel to do the same. Thank you for your attention to this matter! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”

Ten minutes later, he posted: “CONGRATULATIONS WORLD, IT’S TIME FOR PEACE!”
 
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