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what do you want on your scrub top/white coat to say once you're a resident/attending:

1) Foot & Ankle Surgery
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2) Podiatric Medicine and Surgery.


Most of the doctor pages I've came across on social media have it written as Foot and Ankle Surgeon; I have nothing against them, just personally think it's sorta misrepresenting the field since an Orthopod MD holds the same title. Also surgery is just not the only thing pods do, which is why I think it's appropriate to add the medicine portion since primarily we all be doctoring rather than solely hold the title of a "surgeon".

curious to know what the members here think! :)

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I personally don't care for the distinction, but I see it as a regional thing and where podiatry is affiliated with and what department they fall under.

Where I am from in the north, one hospital has podiatry under Dept of Surgery. Another has podiatry under Family and Preventative Medicine and another has podiatry under Dept of Orthopaedic Surgery and use Pod as their Foot & Ankle Surgeons.

When the time comes, I just want my full name and DPM. I don't need all the bells and whistle.
 
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I personally don't care for the distinction, but I see it as a regional thing and where podiatry is affiliated with and what department they fall under.

Where I am from in the north, one hospital has podiatry under Dept of Surgery. Another has podiatry under Family and Preventative Medicine and another has podiatry under Dept of Orthopaedic Surgery and use Pod as their Foot & Ankle Surgeons.

When the time comes, I just want my full name and DPM. I don't need all the bells and whistle.

I know what you are saying, and it's OK to think that way, but I think the term 'Podiatrist' does not represent our scope of practice and educational training.
We are being left out of privileges because of that term. We should include the physician and surgeon in our titles, nationally. When the general public or even those within the healthcare field hears 'podiatrist,' they are thinking of someone clipping toenails, and that is fine. Still, we know that we do a lot more than that and how extensive our training is between the 4 years of pod med school and 3+ years of medicinal/surgical residency.

That said, whichever title anyone uses, I hope it's just one type and not multiples because having a common theme is imperative for our field moving forward.
 
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I know what you are saying, and it's OK to think that way, but I think the term 'Podiatrist' does not represent our scope of practice and educational training.
We are being left out of privileges because of that term. We should include the physician and surgeon in our titles, nationally. When the general public or even those within the healthcare field hears 'podiatrist,' they are thinking of someone clipping toenails, and that is fine. Still, we know that we do a lot more than that and how extensive our training is between the 4 years of pod med school and 3+ years of medicinal/surgical residency.

That said, whichever title anyone uses, I hope it's just one type and not multiples because having a common theme is imperative for our field moving forward.
I agree with you.
 
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what do you want on your scrub top/white coat to say once you're a resident/attending:

1) Foot & Ankle Surgery
------OR---------
2) Podiatric Medicine and Surgery.


Most of the doctor pages I've came across on social media have it written as Foot and Ankle Surgeon; I have nothing against them, just personally think it's sorta misrepresenting the field since an Orthopod MD holds the same title. Also surgery is just not the only thing pods do, which is why I think it's appropriate to add the medicine portion since primarily we all be doctoring rather than solely hold the title of a "surgeon".

curious to know what the members here think! :)
This isn't an online NP mill vs. an MD debate. This is literally one field historically not known as physicians who do a rough equivalent of medical school for 4 years, do a 3 year residency in foot medicine and surgery. I think they've earnt the right to have surgery on their jacket if they wish barring any Orthopods who disagree with me. I doubt they will though.
 
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I'm not bothered by Foot and Ankle Surgeon if you actually ARE one and DPM is after your name. As a podiatrist you will be asked by patients "do you do surgery" and "will you be the one doing my surgery" even if you are the person who literally just showed them pictures of the surgery, described its rehabilitation, etc. There's something to be said for putting the words on your scrubs.

Anything beyond Podiatric Surgery is desperation ie. Podiatry Surgeon and Medical Physician of the Foot and Ankle". You can't make yourself a Physician by putting it on your scrubs. Might as well carry a stethoscope and try to convince the cardiologist you know how to use it. Big hospitals caught onto this name tag foolery and had the MDs start having a badge underneath their name that says "PHYSICIAN" in giant bold letters.

Probably a better way to let the hospital know you are an ankle surgeon is to do ankle cases.

Podiatric Medicine? Pshaw. We prescribe like 4 medications. We'd be better off adding "Podiatric Rehabilitation" and starting a feud with the PM&R docs. PS - they probably easily out earn most of us.

I'm having some scrubs embroidered. Soon. Will probably be doing Podiatric Surgery. I'm going to start scrubbing cases at an orthopedic hospital and my kid already vomits on me enough.
 
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Mine just says DPM. I didn't want anything fancy.
One of the hospitals I trained in gave the DO residents badges that said "ask me about osteopathic medicine" under the DO title. I wish they had done the same for the pods because I think that would have brought up some good conversations with the patients and staff.
 
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Podiatric Surgery
^Yep, basically correct...

I say "Podiatry Surgery" a lot when dealing with ERs, family docs, etc on the phone. It sounds a bit simplistic or even wrong to podiatrists, but you would be surprised how effective it is at getting the point across fast and even starting the occasional, "what kinds of surgery does podiatry do here" convos. Nobody generally knows wtf "podiatric" is... is it pediatric? As for "podiatric medical school," is that some mispronunciation of podunk medical school? "Podiatric surgery" is the same... uh, what? The stuff with "podiatric": medicine, surgery, school, physician, etc are sorta just mumbo jumbo to them...

Everybody knows powe-diatry is feet, though.
Everybody knows what surgery is too.
Most people know some podiatrists do surgery (or you can quick school 'em this way).
Soooo, you simply put them together and you've got.... (drumroll) ... a podiatry doc/dept (smallish smoke poof) ... who does surgery! (medium smoke poof)

I usually just use my full name ("James Smith"... no Dr or dept) when answering my cell for professional or unknown calls on the caller ID (usually for an on-call or my office, occasionally a surgical patient); using that in place of "hello" sounds sharp and professional. I think that's how James Bond and Ethan Hunt and Batman and stuff answer their phone... but I probably have a bit better voice tonality. The hospital/office callers know who they're trying to reach, so I am just confirming it promptly so they can present the patient or start to ask their question. If you say "on call doctor" or "podiatry" or whatever when they call your phone, that will just lead to follow up question of "I was calling for [name]" or "can I talk to Dr. X?" When it is not your own phone, saying "podiatry surgery" to answer the general office phone or "name from Podiatry Surgery" to identify yourself when you are calling to another doc/dept quickly gets the point across that they've reached the podiatry/podiatrist, but it also hints that you have surgical capabilities at the same time.

...As was said, different places use different semantics. It is dealers' choice. You are what you repeatedly do, and your facility will come to realize that. There are some podiatry schools where the clerk students seem hell bent on saying "medical school" at every chance they get, and I correct them to "you mean podiatry school" just to watch them cringe (I really couldn't care less, but it's too fun!). At the end of the day, it the set of skills you have is what matters. Words are just a way of communication.

For my EMR templates or my biz cards or my name badges or email sig, I usually use "Foot and Ankle" or "Foot and Ankle Clinic" or "Foot and Ankle Surgeon," and I use "name, DPM, xxxx" as appropriate best suffix based on your board qual/cert status. I don't do monogramed tops or coats... seems a bit ridiculous to me when they are designed to be cheap and discarded. A normal white coat with badge works fine, and you can just put the money you save to student loans or cash stock account. You can use the Dr. James T. Smith OR the format James T. Smith, DPM, xxx... but never both Dr and the xxx ...that's incorrect and also just makes you look like an insecure tool (as does using more than two suffixes, imo). The written stuff has more room for creativity and length, but in the verbal communications, you need it quick and to the point, tough. Answering the phone "Yello, Dr. Bigshot, double board certified podiatric surgery and medicine specialist of the ankle and foot speaking" ...doesn't make much sense and will only lead to time waste. :)
 
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Steinberg
"Personally, I would like to see us retire the word podiatry."
- https://www.acfas.org/Research-and-...ctive/President-s-Perspective-November-2018/- "

L Rubin
- "First of all, I did not attend “podiatry school.” There is no such thing! There are colleges of podiatric medicine. Attending a college of podiatric medicine made me a podiatric physician and surgeon"
- https://www.acfas.org/Research-and-...ctive/President-s-Perspective-November-2017/-

Leonard Levy
- Podiatry Management Online.
 
Steinberg
"Personally, I would like to see us retire the word podiatry."
- https://www.acfas.org/Research-and-...ctive/President-s-Perspective-November-2018/- "

L Rubin
- "First of all, I did not attend “podiatry school.” There is no such thing! There are colleges of podiatric medicine. Attending a college of podiatric medicine made me a podiatric physician and surgeon"
- https://www.acfas.org/Research-and-...ctive/President-s-Perspective-November-2017/-

Leonard Levy
- Podiatry Management Online.
Yeah, ACFAS is obsessed with never saying the P-word.

I've met some programs that felt the same way also. My director would give our new 1st year residents an extra call day if they came back from security and their badge just said 'Podiatry Resident' and it did not say surgery on it. It could be "Podiatric Surgery Resident" or "Foot and Ankle Surgery Resident" or "Surgery Resident" or whatever... but not just "Podiatry" alone. No joke.

...In the end, Podiatry is, on average, better than ortho F&A for the foot and ankle overall. Both do F&A surgery well... F&A ortho might do hindfoot/ankle surgery better on avg and podiatry forefoot better on avg, but it depends on training and the individual doc. The big boon to DPMs is that podiatrists also do F&A wound care, skin/nail, non-op, biomech, etc care better... they just have infinitely more reps on that stuff. F&A orthos can do general ortho call and most of the F&A trauma better than the average DPM. There are differences; they are not interchangeable. Every doc is different. I see no need to try to sweep that under the rug with semantics.

Podiatry is not going away... the word, the past, or the different degree. If someone is insecure about podiatry's past or present, they've picked the wrong profession.... shoulda gone MD or bust (not DO, not DPM, not PT, not anything but MD!)... but the insecurity issues don't even end there. You can still be insecure about your MD specialty or your med school or your esteem in the hospital or whatever. A dozen years ago, one wise DPM attending (a fellowship director now... dynamite surgeon, author, etc) joked to me about MD/DOs: "sure, they hate us, but not half as much as they hate each other. They have tons of big egos and turf battles of their own. Stay outta their way, do really good work, and there just aren't a lot of problems." He was right.

Once you're out, the bottom line is just communicating well with the other docs/depts at your facility so they know what you can do. Any way that you can do that fast and well is a success. Giving presentations to depts, having a list of common F&A conditions you treat on your website and marketing info, having convos with ER and IM docs in the cafe or doc lounge, sending the FP docs and PTs occasional update & thanks when one of their F&A injury or surgery patients they sent you is healed, etc will go much further than worrying about what your badge or the sign on your desk says. I could put 'Chiropodist' on my badge tomorrow, yet I'd still get refers for pretty much everything below the knee since that's the culture I've created. That's all that matters: offering the most services possible (within your training/competence) and just making life easy for yourself, the patients, and the refer docs.
 
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I use the term Foot and Ankle in my practice's name and I put Foot and Ankle on my scrubs. My name is dtrack22, DPM on letterhead and professional profiles online say podiatrist.

I use Foot and Ankle on publicly visible documents and clothing for a very simple reason: Marketing and education. When you tell another doctor you are a podiatrist they send you diabetic feet, toenail fungus, etc. When patients have issues with their toenails, or if they have heel pain, they think "I need to find a podiatrist." In most areas across the country, nobody is rupturing their achilles and thinking "I'll find the highest rated podiatrist in town to fix this" and their PCP isn't referring them to a podiatrist. I don't need an uneducated civilian population and equally uneducated medical professionals to think of me as a podiatrist. They'll send me that stuff regardless. I need to shove the idea that I treat musculoskeletal pathology and perform foot and ankle surgery down their throats. I need them to send me ankle sprains and achilles tendonitis and fractures. A majority of them have no idea you can treat that. So you have to tell them. I do that with my website and my business cards and my scrubs. I haven't worn a white coat since graduating residency.

Case in point, I had someone walk in the other day and schedule an appointment because they were driving by and saw the readerboard outside the office that said "podiatrist." They weren't thrilled with the guy in town and had been driving 30-45 min to another town for care for the past handful of years. What do you think they scheduled for? Their chronic ankle arthritis?

There are plenty of instances where its an ego thing *cough* ACFAS *cough* but I bet most people market "Foot and Ankle" for the same reasons I do. It's much easier to understand for the average person and the average NP, MD, DO. I stop them before they even ask, "do you treat xxx?" and tell them that foot and ankle means foot and ankle and they don't need to remember anything other than foot and ankle when they think of sending me patients.
 
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I use the term Foot and Ankle in my practice's name and I put Foot and Ankle on my scrubs. My name is dtrack22, DPM on letterhead and professional profiles online say podiatrist.

I use Foot and Ankle on publicly visible documents and clothing for a very simple reason: Marketing and education. When you tell another doctor you are a podiatrist they send you diabetic feet, toenail fungus, etc. When patients have issues with their toenails, or if they have heel pain, they think "I need to find a podiatrist." In most areas across the country, nobody is rupturing their achilles and thinking "I'll find the highest rated podiatrist in town to fix this" and their PCP isn't referring them to a podiatrist. I don't need an uneducated civilian population and equally uneducated medical professionals to think of me as a podiatrist. They'll send me that stuff regardless. I need to shove the idea that I treat musculoskeletal pathology and perform foot and ankle surgery down their throats. I need them to send me ankle sprains and achilles tendonitis and fractures. A majority of them have no idea you can treat that. So you have to tell them. I do that with my website and my business cards and my scrubs. I haven't worn a white coat since graduating residency.

Case in point, I had someone walk in the other day and schedule an appointment because they were driving by and saw the readerboard outside the office that said "podiatrist." They weren't thrilled with the guy in town and had been driving 30-45 min to another town for care for the past handful of years. What do you think they scheduled for? Their chronic ankle arthritis?

There are plenty of instances where its an ego thing *cough* ACFAS *cough* but I bet most people market "Foot and Ankle" for the same reasons I do. It's much easier to understand for the average person and the average NP, MD, DO. I stop them before they even ask, "do you treat xxx?" and tell them that foot and ankle means foot and ankle and they don't need to remember anything other than foot and ankle when they think of sending me patients.

Now that you put it this way, I like that more.
 
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I use the term Foot and Ankle in my practice's name and I put Foot and Ankle on my scrubs. My name is dtrack22, DPM on letterhead and professional profiles online say podiatrist.

I use Foot and Ankle on publicly visible documents and clothing for a very simple reason: Marketing and education. When you tell another doctor you are a podiatrist they send you diabetic feet, toenail fungus, etc. When patients have issues with their toenails, or if they have heel pain, they think "I need to find a podiatrist." In most areas across the country, nobody is rupturing their achilles and thinking "I'll find the highest rated podiatrist in town to fix this" and their PCP isn't referring them to a podiatrist. I don't need an uneducated civilian population and equally uneducated medical professionals to think of me as a podiatrist. They'll send me that stuff regardless. I need to shove the idea that I treat musculoskeletal pathology and perform foot and ankle surgery down their throats. I need them to send me ankle sprains and achilles tendonitis and fractures. A majority of them have no idea you can treat that. So you have to tell them. I do that with my website and my business cards and my scrubs. I haven't worn a white coat since graduating residency.

Case in point, I had someone walk in the other day and schedule an appointment because they were driving by and saw the readerboard outside the office that said "podiatrist." They weren't thrilled with the guy in town and had been driving 30-45 min to another town for care for the past handful of years. What do you think they scheduled for? Their chronic ankle arthritis?

There are plenty of instances where its an ego thing *cough* ACFAS *cough* but I bet most people market "Foot and Ankle" for the same reasons I do. It's much easier to understand for the average person and the average NP, MD, DO. I stop them before they even ask, "do you treat xxx?" and tell them that foot and ankle means foot and ankle and they don't need to remember anything other than foot and ankle when they think of sending me patients.
Oh wow didn’t really think of it from a marketing standpoint. Thank you for your wisdom Doctor!
 
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what do you want on your scrub top/white coat to say once you're a resident/attending:

1) Foot & Ankle Surgery
------OR---------
2) Podiatric Medicine and Surgery.


Most of the doctor pages I've came across on social media have it written as Foot and Ankle Surgeon; I have nothing against them, just personally think it's sorta misrepresenting the field since an Orthopod MD holds the same title. Also surgery is just not the only thing pods do, which is why I think it's appropriate to add the medicine portion since primarily we all be doctoring rather than solely hold the title of a "surgeon".

curious to know what the members here think! :)

what do you want on your scrub top/white coat to say once you're a resident/attending:

1) Foot & Ankle Surgery
------OR---------
2) Podiatric Medicine and Surgery.


Most of the doctor pages I've came across on social media have it written as Foot and Ankle Surgeon; I have nothing against them, just personally think it's sorta misrepresenting the field since an Orthopod MD holds the same title. Also surgery is just not the only thing pods do, which is why I think it's appropriate to add the medicine portion since primarily we all be doctoring rather than solely hold the title of a "surgeon".

curious to know what the members here think! :)
In my new position with an ortho group, where I am the only one doing foot/ankle surgery in town my cards say Air Bud, DPM AACFAS and then underneath Foot & Ankle Specialist, Basketball Championship winning dog. A recently retired DPM did nothing but nail care. I don't need to attract those people they will find me. My interests/profile on the website only discuss MSK issues including diabetic wounds. No mention of nails /calluses. Again they will find me. And I am happy to do them.
 
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what do you want on your scrub top/white coat to say once you're a resident/attending:

1) Foot & Ankle Surgery
------OR---------
2) Podiatric Medicine and Surgery.


Most of the doctor pages I've came across on social media have it written as Foot and Ankle Surgeon; I have nothing against them, just personally think it's sorta misrepresenting the field since an Orthopod MD holds the same title. Also surgery is just not the only thing pods do, which is why I think it's appropriate to add the medicine portion since primarily we all be doctoring rather than solely hold the title of a "surgeon".

curious to know what the members here think! :)
Also, I don't think I have ever worn a white coat as an attending and don't think I ever will. As far as my name on scrub top...it's not as bad as monogrammed cuffs...
 
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Whatever you do, just keep it to one "doctor" in your tittle. Dr. [Your Name] or [Your Name], DPM. Never Dr. [Your Name], DPM. It is redundant and tacky. You will never see another specialist do that. It screams insecurity. Leave that for the chiropractors.
 
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anyone that actually cares about this has some psychological issues
 
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