Blood and medications in same line

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Does anyone know if there is any logical, scientific explanation on why a patient can't receive meds and blood through the same peripheral line or the same port on a central line??

The only reasoning that it is convincing is probably to due to reaction issues...if the patient has a anaphylactic or febrile reaction..is it the meds or the blood...or possibly, can meds clog up the IV??
Just wondering...couldn't find anything on MD consult or Pubmed...
Thanks!!
 
I think it's just standard practice that nothing can run with blood. There are too many compatibility issues and you want each little RBC to be as functional as possible 🙄

with that said, I've run things with blood in several emergency situations. For example: patient came out of the OR (cardiac surgery) bleeding like a stuck pig (800cc in first 30 minutes). Anesthesia didn't think to put in more then a single lumen cordis so while we were inserting a triple lumen I had propofol, levophed, epi, and dop all running with my packed cells (and I think we had FFP running somewhere too - maybe he had a peripheral as well I can't remember).

fun times
 
Lactated Ringer's solution should not be used because it contains calcium, which combines with the anticoagulation citrate in the blood component's preservative solution and causes clotting.
Five percent dextrose solution also should not be used because it is hypotonic and may cause red blood cells to hemolyze.
 
Square Pants said:
Lactated Ringer's solution should not be used because it contains calcium, which combines with the anticoagulation citrate in the blood component's preservative solution and causes clotting.
Five percent dextrose solution also should not be used because it is hypotonic and may cause red blood cells to hemolyze.

That's 1960's medicine dude. Its ok to use LR with PRBC's.



Surg Gynecol Obstet. 1991 Jul;173(1):9-12. Related Articles, Links

Comment in:
J Am Coll Surg. 1994 Nov;179(5):635.

Compatibility of packed erythrocytes and Ringer's lactate solution.

Cull DL, Lally KP, Murphy KD.

Department of Surgery, Wilford Hall USAF Medical Center, Lackland, Texas 78236-5300.

Packed erythrocytes are frequently reconstituted with crystalloid during rapid infusion. Dilution of whole blood with calcium containing solutions, such as Ringer's lactate has been cautioned against, citing possible clot formation because of chelation of the citrate anticoagulant. We studied the compatibility of Ringer's lactate solution and citrate phosphate dextrose (CPD)-preserved packed erythrocytes to evaluate the safety of using Ringer's lactate solution as a diluent in the emergency setting. Aliquots of CPD-preserved packed erythrocytes were diluted with either Ringer's lactate or normal saline solutions in ratios between 5:1 to 1:20 (packed erythrocyte to crystalloid), incubated at room temperature or 37 degrees centigrade and examined for clot formation at intervals up to two hours. Although clotting occurred at dilutions of 1:1 (packed erythrocytes to Ringer's lactate solution) and beyond, no clot formation occurred in the clinically relevant dilutions between 5:1 and 2:1. Thirty-two additional units of CPD-preserved packed erythrocytes were diluted to hematocrit values of 35, 45, 55 or 65 per cent and passed through a 170 micron filter. Flow rates of packed erythrocytes diluted with Ringer's lactate and normal saline solutions were compared. There was no difference in flow rates between packed erythrocytes diluted with Ringer's lactate compared with normal saline solutions. Ringer's lactate solution can be safely used as a packed erythrocyte diluent in patients requiring rapid blood transfusions.

PMID: 1866680 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




Am J Surg. 1998 Apr;175(4):308-10. Related Articles, Links


Can Ringer's lactate be used safely with blood transfusions?

Lorenzo M, Davis JW, Negin S, Kaups K, Parks S, Brubaker D, Tyroch A.

Department of Surgery, University of California, San Francisco/Fresno Valley Medical Center, USA.

BACKGROUND: Blood bank recommendations specify that Ringer's lactate solution (LR) should be avoided while transfusing blood. However, there are few studies either evaluating or quantifying increased coagulation during rapid infusion of LR and blood. DESIGN AND METHODS: Whole blood (WB, n = 25) and packed red blood cells (PRBC, n = 26) were rapidly admixed with normal saline (NS), Lactate solution and LR with 1 g (LR-1), 2 g (LR-2), and 5 g (LR-5) CaCl2/L solutions for assessment of infusion time, filter weight, and clot formation. RESULTS: No significant differences in infusion time or filter weight using WB or PRBC with NS or LR were seen. No significant difference in clot formation between NS and LR with WB or PRBC was found, but the presence of visible clot was increased in the LR-5 group (P = 0.013, WB, and P = 0.002, PRBC). CONCLUSION: A comparison of LR and NS with rapid infusion rates of blood showed no significant difference between infusion time, filter weight and clot formation. Blood bank guidelines should be revised to allow the use of LR in the rapid transfusion of PRBC.

PMID: 9568658 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
Well, looks like I got that step 2 question wrong. Where were you when I needed you yesterday?
 
Square Pants said:
Well, looks like I got that step 2 question wrong. Where were you when I needed you yesterday?

Fear not! I bet on the boards you are correct, but nowadays in the "real world" you can see what the current literature is reporting. Even some recent textbooks in Trauma, EM, and Surgery warn about LR and PRBCs... but as you can see the current literature does not support the warnings.

That sounds like a nit-picky question to me, though, for Step 2!


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if you need to you can run anything you want with PRBC....

(of course hypotonic solutions are not a good idea --- but if your flow rate is fast enough it shouldn't make a big difference: ie >250cc/hr)

i think there is a huge gap between what we consider acceptable, and what nursing policies allow.... the nursing policy for running blood in a separate dedicated line is because the nurse won't be able to visualize precipitation/crystalization in the setting of drug/drug interactions (ie: sux/phenobarb or lasix/bicarb or bicarb/CaCl)...
 
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