People here always keep talking about top 20 schools but what about bottom 20? Does anyone actually know which schools are actually on that list?
If you pay for US News u can see past top 50
Does anyone know when they're coming up with the new rankings? or are those the new rankings?? nothing has changed if they are...
I doubt many rankings go that low. But by consensus, what schools do people consider the lowest of the low?
I heard that Harvard graduated somebody last year who (GASP) went into family medicine...
I wouldn't pay the extra $15 for additional rankings. US News only ranks the top 63 schools and the top 50 are listed for free at http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/medindex_brief.php. I recall Jefferson and Rush being in the top 63, but not in the top 50.
Are we talking only US Allopathic schools or all schools? US ALLO>US DO>Caribbean (obviously).
Otherwise the bottom would be:
Mercer, Northeastern Ohio, Marshall, South Carolina, Eastern Carolina, Eastern Virginia, Southern Illinois, Texas Tech, Rosalind Franklin, North Dakota, Wright State, Hawaii, West Virginia, Southern Alabama, Albany, Loma Linda, Toledo, Nevada, LSU-Shrevport, and Texas A&M.
Are we talking only US Allopathic schools or all schools? US ALLO>US DO>Caribbean (obviously).
Otherwise the bottom would be:
Mercer, Northeastern Ohio, Marshall, South Carolina, Eastern Carolina, Eastern Virginia, Southern Illinois, Texas Tech, Rosalind Franklin, North Dakota, Wright State, Hawaii, West Virginia, Southern Alabama, Albany, Loma Linda, Toledo, Nevada, LSU-Shrevport, and Texas A&M.
This thread is just a great way to piss people off. No one wants to hear the school they will be attending is the "lowest of the low". For everyone that calls a school their "back up" there are plenty of people that would love to go there (and tons that applied and didn't get in). More applicants than med school spots = no true back up schools.
I doubt you can find an unbiased list.
If USN&WR ranked the other 62 schools, you'd find that schools in the lowest section would refuse to submit information. It would set off a bad reaction.Why do they only rank 63? They just decided to stop at that random number? Or did the rest of the schools not submit their information?
Some places don't submit the survey. I'm not sure how many but it must have something to do with the random cut off.Why do they only rank 63? They just decided to stop at that random number? Or did the rest of the schools not submit their information?
If USN&WR ranked the other 62 schools, you'd find that schools in the lowest section would refuse to submit information. It would set off a bad reaction.
Are we talking only US Allopathic schools or all schools? US ALLO>US DO>Caribbean (obviously).
Otherwise the bottom would be:
Mercer, Northeastern Ohio, Marshall, South Carolina, Eastern Carolina, Eastern Virginia, Southern Illinois, Texas Tech, Rosalind Franklin, North Dakota, Wright State, Hawaii, West Virginia, Southern Alabama, Albany, Loma Linda, Toledo, Nevada, LSU-Shrevport, and Texas A&M.
[I used a similar methodology as US News for Research Rankings of readily available information from the school's websites and MSAR: acceptance ratio (in/out of state)/MCAT/GPA, student body size, faculty size, NIH funding, endowment, tuition (in/out of state).]
Also, I'm sorry if you're amazed your school is on this list. Additionally, primary care rankings have nothing to do with research rankings (which are more reliable when the majority of people reference "top" schools). Perhaps you can use your negative energy to make an effort to pull your school off of it.
I can't go back to my AMCAS anymore so I can't tell on my own..can anyone state precisely how many allopathic schools there are in the US right now?
Why do they only rank 63? They just decided to stop at that random number? Or did the rest of the schools not submit their information?
They rank the Top 63, and then there's a play-in game between #64 and #65. So after that, they have the top 64 schools. The 64 schools are divided into 4 groups of 16, and then are seeded 1-16. They have a tournament in which #1 faces #16, #2 faces #15 and so on, with competitions such as diagnostic radiology, rapid EKG interpetation, and intubation.
After 2 rounds, they're left with the top 16, known as the "Scrub-in 16" which are pared down to the "ENT Eight" and then the "Fellow Four," who then battle for the title of Top Medical School in the Land!
March Med School Madness, baby.
They rank the Top 63, and then there's a play-in game between #64 and #65. So after that, they have the top 64 schools. The 64 schools are divided into 4 groups of 16, and then are seeded 1-16. They have a tournament in which #1 faces #16, #2 faces #15 and so on, with competitions such as diagnostic radiology, rapid EKG interpetation, and intubation.
After 2 rounds, they're left with the top 16, known as the "Scrub-in 16" which are pared down to the "ENT Eight" and then the "Fellow Four," who then battle for the title of Top Medical School in the Land!
March Med School Madness, baby.
NIH funding is all that matters. Anyone that tells you anything different is lying.
I can pretty much guarantee Meharry, Howard, Morehouse and RFU are at the bottom or pretty close.
EDIT: NYMC, Albany and if you want to include Touro-Harlem, are also probably at the bottom.
Well I know some do refuse to submit info, but no one has ever been able to give me a concrete number on which ones don't. So I was just curious if the number of schools that didn't participate was actually higher than they were saying a while ago.
Kind of odd to just stop ranking them when there's so few.
I'm really dissapointed to find out that there's some tension in this thread. This thread wasn't designed to piss people off but to acquire some knowledge at which schools are considered to be the "bottom" I guess the ones that would be "easier" to get accepted into. In addition to give some insight at which schools an applicant should NOT apply to if they have research background (ECU as mentioned above) assuming the possibility of continuing research in med school.
The tension was inevitable. The thread does not piss me off but the mention of the school that I plan to attend as a "bottom" med school does piss me off
Personally I don't malign any of the "lower ranked" MD schools......in fact, I'd rather attend EVMS than Harvard.The tension was inevitable. The thread does not piss me off but the mention of the school that I plan to attend as a "bottom" med school does piss me off
RFU is a low-tier school. You can lie to yourself and say it as just as high ranked as the others... but then your fooling yourself. Look at the numbers.
Um no, Mercer is dead last according to NIH funding. Meharry and Morehouse are ranked in the 80s. NIH funding is all that matters??
Personally I don't malign any of the "lower ranked" MD schools......in fact, I'd rather attend EVMS than Harvard.
They rank the Top 63, and then there's a play-in game between #64 and #65. So after that, they have the top 64 schools. The 64 schools are divided into 4 groups of 16, and then are seeded 1-16. They have a tournament in which #1 faces #16, #2 faces #15 and so on, with competitions such as diagnostic radiology, rapid EKG interpetation, and intubation.
After 2 rounds, they're left with the top 16, known as the "Scrub-in 16" which are pared down to the "ENT Eight" and then the "Fellow Four," who then battle for the title of Top Medical School in the Land!
March Med School Madness, baby.
So you say......of course you also base your ranking of schools off of something that has little to do directly with education so, I question what your reasoning......That is a blatant lie.
RFU is a low-tier school. You can lie to yourself and say it as just as high ranked as the others... but then your fooling yourself. Look at the numbers.
I can pretty much guarantee Meharry, Howard, Morehouse and RFU are at the bottom or pretty close.
EDIT: NYMC, Albany and if you want to include Touro-Harlem, are also probably at the bottom.
I was saying that you were wrong about Meharry(#82) and Morehouse(#83). I made absolutely no mention of RFU. I am pointing out that your " guarantee" of Morehouse and Meharry being near the bottom is incorrect.