Brag bout your Low GPA today

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AnitaHo

hey this is to everyone who got accepted to a medical school. If you think you got the lowest gpa and managed to sneak thru their computers and into their upcoming class list, now's the time to BRAG!!!

this will also give fellow sdners some motivation and confidence.

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mine's low, but not the lowest. I have a 3.35 cum, but my BCPM is 3.01!!! Whew that stinks! I got accepted to the University of Minnesota, Medical College of Wisconsin, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. I have noticed, however, that my GPA is lower than every person on the "not accepted yet SDNers" thread. Makes you wonder how important GPA really is in this whole process...
 
BCPM 3.15 and GPA is 3.31. Kinda crazy huh?
 
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can you guys bragging about your low gpas please tell us what school(s) accepted you?

Gracias :cool:
 
Undergrad: 2.21 total (with more Fs and Ds than you can shake a stick at)

Fast foward 6 years:

Postbac: 3.93 (I know that this GPA is ok, but c'mon, that 2.21 is gonna win this)

Accepted to Temple
 
GPA 3.28 All, 3.5 Science.

Accepted USC
 
addendum, RE: DRFoxy's request.

gpa:3.31 bcpm:3.15
accepted to University of Illinois (god bless 'em)
 
You may have some big MCAT numbers to compensate for low GPAs. Please tell us about your MCAT scores(V,P,B) so I can have some hope. BTW, I think I did OK on the april MCAT. I got 11 on AAMC V and VI.
 
now for some truly frightening numbers (broken down by year for effect). BCPM GPA only:

FR: 2.53
SO: 1.62
JR: 2.11
SR: 2.37
Post-bacc: 3.55
CUM: 2.8

so I applied two years ago and got nada. every one told me to quit. pre-med advisors. med school admissions people. family. friends. complete strangers. everyone. i even applied to one of those special master's programs to help people with low gpas. they told me to to stop wasting their time and look closely at a possible future career in waste management. end of the road. time to quit. tried to stop thinking about it and move on. couldn't do it. decided to give it one more shot. retook the mcat. did better. called the special master's program at mcp hahnemann. they told me to apply again. did. got in. 4.0. going to dartmouth med this fall. moral of the story: don't ever quit and never let someone else define you or your dreams.
 
1.62?

Geez, what happened?
 
that's awesome. you are clear proof that life is what you make it.
 
Ramkijai got my vote :clap: Hands down...his story and #s are awesome and inspiring....and he got into an awesome school :clap: :clap: :cool:
 
2.71 cum. ~3.5 sci. went to college and played baseball, not caring about grades as a business major. had 2.4 gpa. came back to school to do premed prereqs and decided to do chemistry degree. about 3.5 gpa at new school. accepted to U.Kentucky and U.Louisville. Waitlisted at numerous schools. had eight interviews. you can do it too.
 
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For those who did it, how did your post bacc work stand out among your undergrad grades? I mean, were there other things in your favor i.e. you're a published researcher or you were in the army or you've logged serious clinical time. . .how did the admiss people see past your first set of grades?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by inkysphinx:
•For those who did it, how did your post bacc work stand out among your undergrad grades? I mean, were there other things in your favor i.e. you're a published researcher or you were in the army or you've logged serious clinical time. . .how did the admiss people see past your first set of grades?
•••••To answer your first question: my last undergrad science class was taken in the spring of 1991 and my last postbac class was taken in the spring of 2001. The first time around I failed second sememster physics, got a D in orgo I, failed orgo II (then tried to take it again and finally gave up and withdrew). Orgo lab was a separate credit and I got a D+ (gotta love that +) 10 years later I took everything again and the lowest grade received was an A-.

I say all this to say that I think one of the ways adcoms were able to look past the first set of grades was the fact that I really pushed myself to earn a respectable postbac GPA. Also, I tried to put as much time as I could between the old me and the new me. I had no medically related ECs except for some shadowing and have spent the better part of a decade in either the front or back office of an insurance company. Go figure!
 
These posts are encouraging! So what if other people second guess you as long as you don't start second guessing your own abilites everthing will work out in the end. Ahh I feel better.
 
This is the best thread I've read so far (inspiring), but with no intention to undermine the other great threads. Thanks to those who posted. I have a 3.01 GPA and 3.02 BCPM. So you can tell how down I am and just bummed out. However I did a Grad in Engineering with a 4.0 GPA. Any chance that will be taken into consideration, specially since its not Science?

We need a few more doses of these stories.

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ramkijai, what exactly were your "better" mcat scores. people like to be humble (or sound smart) by downplaying their high mcats.

people with low gpas get into medschools for specific reasons, it's not random guys.

so telling us the name of the school you were accepted at is important, just as revealing your (probably) high mcat score is important.

for ex. not only did ussdfiant go to an IVY league undergrad, but he put lots of time b/w that performance and his awesome postbac grade (way above "respectable" ussdfiant...and you know this..MAN!~~smokey). he's also a URM which helps too. all this is important, so that whoever out there is trying to reap some kind of peace of mind or extra inspiration from this thread is not Mislead. let's disclose all, please.

speak on outstanding ECs, mcats, ugrads, or whatever else helped you overcome that deficit.
 
ramkijai - I don't know if I would have shared that. But DANG! War to the undergrad underachiever! :clap:
 
Hi everybody,

Apologies to those who have heard my story before... search is currently disabled or I would have just posted a link.

First off, let me say that I don't really feel comfortable with the title of this thread, as I wouldn't like to think that I am 'bragging' about my low gpa, but since I didn't start the thread, there isn't much I can do about that.

I agree with Caveman wholeheartedly... the intent of this thread is neither to mislead, nor to give false hope, but to see what kind of things can compensate for doing poorly in one's undergraduate days, however long ago that was.
I think people that only post their low gpas, without including another huge factor such as great mcat, publications, or other unusual experiences that they know compensated for their gpa are being somewhat misleading.

I think there are some recurring themes that I've noticed among people that have gotten accepted despite gpa problems. In addition to the typical premed activities, i.e. hospital volunteer time, etc:

1. MCATs:
Caveman: It may not be that people are trying to feel 'smart' by 'downplaying' their high mcats, but rather that they feel like they are bragging about their mcats if they call them 'great'. So they say 'good' instead.

Anyway, 'good' MCAT's show that your grades are not reflective of your actual academic abilities. Hopefully, you have a good reason to explain your prior shortcomings. In my case, although it wasn't an excuse, I did Army ROTC which was a huge time commitment, overloaded myself with unreasonable classes such as a molecular spectroscopy grad class, and was overly involved with reconfiguring my linux computer. Still, my MCATs 'saved' me in the sense that it showed that my grades were not reflective of my abilities.
10V, 13P, 14B, R

2. Time: I graduated in '97, and worked and took postbac classes since then... It's taken me this long to get accepted; hence the name, Third Times A Charm. I think it's practically impossible to get accepted less than 2 years out of college if your gpa is &lt;3.0

3. GPA upward trend: Although I started off horribly, I finished with a 3.5 my senior year, but an overall amcas gpa of 2.78.

4. Postbac classes: I took 7 of them at UCSD, got 2B+'s, 1 A-'s, 3 A's and 1 A+, while doing research full time and serving in the National Guard. This showed that I had 'reformed' since I was an undergrad, back in '93...

5. Research: I was fortunate enough to get a research position in a great lab where I got onto 4 papers in great journals: PNAS/JBC, and a few poster presentations

6. Great letters of rec: At least that's the 'vibe' that I got, having waived my rights to see them.

7. Good interviews: I'd like to think that I am pretty good with my people skills. I think my experiences of having to deal with people from PhD's in the lab to privates in the Army has helped me out alot. Another thing that was key during the interview stage was to convey that I realized that it wasn't the ROTC time, it wasn't the extra difficult classes and it wasn't the school that was partly responsible for my low gpa, but it was _ME_. _I_ was the one that was irresponsible, and immature, and _I_ realized that. It was tough to take 100% responsibility for my past, but with 26 years of living under my belt, I finally realized that. Adcoms want to know that ultimately, _YOU_ take responsibility for past problems.

8. A well-known undergrad school: Obviously, by the time you are reading this post, there isn't much you can do to change this point, but I think my school: MIT, helped me get a little leeway w/r/t my gpa.

9. Something else that makes you stand out: In my case, it was my army experience; ROTC in college, a 17-week Officer Basic Course with other active duty army officers, and a ranger-school type course that I volunteered in. I did very well in these courses, and despite being a National Guard officer, I proved I could keep up with the real army too...

I'm sure that there are other factors that may have improved other people's chances, but for me, these were the things that got me accepted.

I hope I didn't come across sounding like I was 'bragging' about anything, because that was not my intent. It's pretty much impossible to convey tone of voice in a text post, and hopefully nobody flames me for 'bragging' about my EC's/MCATs. I just wanted to include the factors that I know were very important in compensating for my atrocious gpa.

One sobering thing that I have realized is that, had my gpa been in the 3.7-3.8 range, I probably would have gotten accepted to higher ranked schools, and perhaps even with scholarship money. As it stands, I will probably go hugely into debt for a long time, but hopefully will do well enough in medical school to get into a specialty that I really want, which as of right now is orthopedic surgery, and one that will allow me to pay off my debts before I retire. Regardless, that's the price that I have to pay for my past transgressions. To those of you that had the maturity to prioritize, do well in school, and get accepted to your top choice school, my hat is off to you. You have earned it.

I hope my long-winded post was helpful. If I can answer any other questions, please post/pm me.

-ttac
p.s. Since I know it will be asked, I am an asian american male from CA and I was accepted to MCP-H and USUHS.

p.p.s. My apologies if this post seemed somewhat disjointed. For some reason I had to strip off all the parentheses and used commas and semicolons instead.
 
ttac, thank you so much for sharing this information with us. As a student with a low gpa, I find this thread most gratifying, but I also know that those of you who have gotten in have busted your @sses to do so.

Good for you!

Nanon
 
ok im a ***** but what does bcpm mean???? im thinking but cant figure it out
 
bcpm = bio, chemistry, physics, math
 
caveman i see your point so here are some details:
UG from UC-Berkeley 1991
post-bacc San Francisco State 1995-97
worked as research tech for 3 years and volunteered at a clinic for 3 years

MCAT #1 35 R (10/14/11) (8/98)

we are now at the time line of my first application...let the rejections roll (including post bacc programs)

realized at this point that if a program that is designed to help someone like me thinks i am beyond help then WTF??? indeed...decided to spend rest of life as a research tech drone...began to drink heavily...a couple of years go by...i am still thinking about med school...decided to reach out and see if there was any way to convince MCP to let me in their post bacc program. they say reapply but your MCAT has expired...take it again...okay...

MCAT #2 38 S (11/14/13) (4/01)

the rest of the story you know. i did not mention my MCAT earlier because i was originally rejected with a good MCAT score so i think that there is something else. I called MCP post bacc people and was able to go beyond the numbers and present myself as someone who was asking for a second chance and willing to take whatever steps to show my interest just to get in their post bacc program. they gave me chance and i am grateful. my "numbers" are still scary to most schools...i applied to 25...got 3 interviews...shot down by the rest. All the schools that interviewed me accepted me. Again I think it is because I was able to show the person behind the numbers and that is what made the difference. I think I beat a lot of odds because somebody gave me a chance and i never quit. i see a lot of stories here from what seem like good people (including yours, caveman) so i thought i would add mine not to brag about beating the system with low numbers but hopefully "brag" about someone who reads this and decides that they are going to trust in themselves and go for their dreams...damn that sounds hokey!
 
The title of this thread sucks, but...

I got 2 acceptances with a 3.06 GPA.

BUT! As Caveman has pointed out often, it wasn't easy. Getting in with stats like that is indeed a battle. In my case, I put in 3+ years with a 3.97 GPA (this is where I did most of my science work, so my sci GPA ended up at 3.57); and scored 37-39 on the MCAT. Also had lots of ECs, teaching, and research experience.

Caveman is right that some are mislead by threads that talk about acceptances with "low GPAs" or "low MCAT" or "low/no ECs." The fact is that it IS possible to get accepted with ONE of the above, but not ALL of the above. Indeed, if your application is "lacking" in one area, you have to work that much harder to make up for it. It's possible though--you just have to work for it!
 
Great point, racergirl. This thread shows that a low GPA is not the "end of the world" IF you can compensate with great EC's, MCAT, LOR's, post-bacc work, etc.

My story: science GPA, 2.57, overall, 2.8. BUT, was 4.0 in my last 8 post-bacc courses, 34Q MCAT, five years of clinical experience and pathology work, and HUGE LOR's from two clinical professors who teach at my state school (where I eventually was fortunate to get into)!

Bottom line: we all have horror stories from our undergrad "party" years, but don't let it stop you from pursuing your dreams. It WILL mean that you need to work hard NOW, sacrifice, be creative, and NEVER ACCEPT REJECTION AS FINAL.

Best of luck to all of you applying this year!
 
i just wanted to say thank you to all of you who posted- i'm one of those undergrads that just haven't been able to buckle down- or rather, just WON'T buckle down. my GPA is pretty low,so i'm thinking of going to one of those post bacc programs(the more i read up on the MCP Hahnemann ISP/MSP program, the more i fall in love with it.). I have one more year to go, a year filled with a pretty hefty science load... sometimes i think that maybe i should just give up and do something else, save my parents' time, money, and heartache, but then i realize that dreams are not to be taken lightly! gotta sweat, gotta bleed, gotta do what it takes to be a doctor!!!

ok, sorry for the rambling, but the basic gist of my message: thanks to everyone for providing inspiration and practical advice!
 
Hi,

Heres my stats,

Overall GPA=3.7
Science GPA=3.9
MCAT=3(T) lol KIDDING, i will take it in August '02
 
Femtochemistry, what is the purpose of you posting your stats on this thread?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Barton:
•mine's low, but not the lowest. I have a 3.35 cum, but my BCPM is 3.01!!! Whew that stinks! I got accepted to the University of Minnesota, Medical College of Wisconsin, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. •••••You must be a URM.

Are you a Minn. resident?
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by jintonic5:
•i just wanted to say thank you to all of you who posted- i'm one of those undergrads that just haven't been able to buckle down- or rather, just WON'T buckle down. my GPA is pretty low,so i'm thinking of going to one of those post bacc programs(the more i read up on the MCP Hahnemann ISP/MSP program, the more i fall in love with it.). I have one more year to go, a year filled with a pretty hefty science load... sometimes i think that maybe i should just give up and do something else, save my parents' time, money, and heartache, but then i realize that dreams are not to be taken lightly! gotta sweat, gotta bleed, gotta do what it takes to be a doctor!!!

ok, sorry for the rambling, but the basic gist of my message: thanks to everyone for providing inspiration and practical advice!•••••Reconsider the post-bacc program. It won't help your gpa much, since med schools don't care usually about your post-bacc gpa...they think post-undergrad gpas are inflated, since apparently most are. (ie grad school).

Instead, find a volunteer opportunity that will sweep you off your feet, like a international med team or get an MS and work as a disease counselor for a few years..do something you want to do that will show how much you love <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" /> medicine.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by ramkijai:
•now for some truly frightening numbers (broken down by year for effect). BCPM GPA only:

FR: 2.53
SO: 1.62
JR: 2.11
SR: 2.37
Post-bacc: 3.55
CUM: 2.8

so I applied two years ago and got nada. every one told me to quit. pre-med advisors. med school admissions people. family. friends. complete strangers. everyone. i even applied to one of those special master's programs to help people with low gpas. they told me to to stop wasting their time and look closely at a possible future career in waste management. end of the road. time to quit. tried to stop thinking about it and move on. couldn't do it. decided to give it one more shot. retook the mcat. did better. called the special master's program at mcp hahnemann. they told me to apply again. did. got in. 4.0. going to dartmouth med this fall. moral of the story: don't ever quit and never let someone else define you or your dreams.•••••You said it! :)
 
I love these threads. they always manage to put a smile on my face, because I too have a low GPA!! I am graduating 03-as of now I have a 3.25 overall with lots of A's and A-'s in history + sociolgy(makes me wonder about law school, haha).. my BCPM is more like a luke warm 3.1 or little less.. I will be taking the MCAT in august and have high hopes that my performance will boost my chances for admittance following my senior year.. for admission into 2008 class. If I do very well, I still might try for admittance into 2007'--still hesitant. give me the boost I need SDN peeps.

later,
BIFF
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Bikini Princess:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by Barton:
•mine's low, but not the lowest. I have a 3.35 cum, but my BCPM is 3.01!!! Whew that stinks! I got accepted to the University of Minnesota, Medical College of Wisconsin, and Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. •••••You must be a URM.

•••••How did you escape from TPR? :rolleyes: "Low" GPA + acceptance doesn't automatically = URM. Geez!
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Bikini Princess:
• Reconsider the post-bacc program. It won't help your gpa much, since med schools don't care usually about your post-bacc gpa...they think post-undergrad gpas are inflated, since apparently most are. (ie grad school).
•••••this is completely untrue. post-bacc courses are technically undergrad-level courses--even though you already have a bachelors degree--and thus factor into your undergrad GPA. the same holds true for undergrad courses taken at random and not within a structured program even *after* one graduates from college; these still factor into the undergrad GPA because they are undergrad-level courses, even though you may no longer be an undergrad. post-bacc grades are NOT inflated...on the contrary, it can be quite difficult to get high grades in these programs because *everyone* in them is trying to get into med school and oftentimes the students in these programs are there to compensate for a poor undergrad performance and thus must do well. a stellar post-bacc GPA can work wonders. a great volunteer experience is nice and can certainly set you apart, but it won't ever compensate for a low GPA.

the fact that grad school grades are sometimes inflated doesn't discount their value--med schools are often quite interested in grad school work. the issue is that grad grades don't do anything to fix a low undergrad GPA.
 
I agree with sandflea. Post bacc courses are looked at positively because they are almost always upper level science courses. Taking these is just like taking them as an undergrad but if you do extremely well it looks good because it is shown as a separate GPA on your AMCAS. Also, there are many post bacc classes out there in programs that allow you to take courses that are offered to first year med students. So doing well in those will definitely be looked at positively.
 
OUCH, WSU, that was harsh. I'm going to assume that you don't know charleb (hell, I don't know charleb, but I feel obliged to stick up for my fellow north carolinian). there may have been extenuating circumstances contributing to his low gpa and mcat scores, but obviously the ad com at ecu thought he WAS academically capable of becoming a doctor.

there are lots of brilliant people out there with terrible scores, and lots of really dumb people with a 3.99 gpa. my point (and the point of this thread) is that test scores and gpas aren't the only thing that will make or break your addmission into medical school.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by WSUreds:
•Honestly, you do not deserve to go to med school with those numbers! You have not demonstrated that you can perform academically!•••••Holy smokes, so judgemental. You have no idea what this person might have had to go through to get even those grades. I don't either but I will give the benefit of the doubt to them AND the adcom.
 
You're right, I don't know that person. To a point extenuating circumstances in their life should be considered when examining their GPA and MCAT. But this person has neither, usually people with low GPA's have high MCATS or have done postbac work or grad school. And people with high GPA's and low MCAT's, retake or get accepted on the merit of their EC's. But with both scores lacking, I do not think that any EC's or hardships would matter because you have not PROVEN yourself!
 
UHmm..I don't like the title too much myself.But I am glad that there is a " you-can-do-it" thread.Man,ramkijai-geez,I'm rendered speechless. A 1.62.That is really scary.They MUST have asked you about those scores during your interveiw? What did you say? Obviously you said all the right things ...Your story is encouraging.But of course that's not to say that you can't have good scores and stats and still get in :wink: .Congrats!!!
 
i'm pretty sure you don't have to be a genius to do well in medschool. in fact, in an aamc report, they said that a 24 on tha 'cats shows that the student is capable of passing medschool satisfactorally. these high grades and mcats are a function of class size contraints in order to keep doctors well paid (and of course filling resonable need) by limiting their numbers. med school isn't rocket science.
 
does that count as being an @sshole or what?
who the hell are you to judge what anyone has proven to a med school admissions committee?
wow you have some nerve! :rolleyes:
 
Good tread,

I'm from Canada, and my CGPA is 3.58, BCPM is 3.57, MCAT 39Q. The trend is as follows

FR 2.88 (failed 1 course)
SO 3.61
JR 3.81
SR 3.85

The question is, are these grades going to be a problem when applying to American medical schools (of the ones that do accept Canadians).

Thanks in advance
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by AnitaHo:
•hey this is to everyone who got accepted to a medical school. If you think you got the lowest gpa and managed to sneak thru their computers and into their upcoming class list, now's the time to BRAG!!!

this will also give fellow sdners some motivation and confidence.•••••Situations...will arise..in our lives..
but, you gotta be smart about them..
 
[/QUOTE]Reconsider the post-bacc program. It won't help your gpa much, since med schools don't care usually about your post-bacc gpa...they think post-undergrad gpas are inflated, since apparently most are. (ie grad school).[/QB][/QUOTE]

okay, i really didn't want to brag about my low gpa, but i think most of this thread is evidence that the above is absoloutely false (although i only skimmed it). it may be true for grad school, but i was taking post-bacc classes alongside undergrads, so they were the exact same courses, and i would never have gotten into med school without raising my gpa. it was the one weak point in my app, according to my advisor, me, and my interviewers.

french major at a very competitive liberal arts college. non-science classes between 3.20 and 3.76 for four years.
bcpm:
fr: 4 courses 2.32
so: 1 course 3.70 (spent fall semester in hospital due to accident)
jr: 1 course 3.30 (spent spring semester in france)
sr: 3 courses 2.67
fall mcat after graduation: 10p, 10b, 13v, P
great ec's
postbacc a year later at my state school: 7 courses, 3.70
even with postbacc grades, overall bcpm 3.04, total gpa 3.33 (excluding courses in france, which were graded)

and as of now i'll be going to wake forest this fall, and i'm still on 3 waitlists! so yes, get some great ec's to talk about in interviews and to make sure this is what you want to do, but definitely do the postbacc program if your gpa needs it. good luck to everyone who is where i was two years ago!
 
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Hi... I am a freshman and am wondering what is a good GPA to shoot for (for med. school). (I realize that it is based on so much more than GPA.)
 
I'll give credit where credit's due and I think Caveman's initial point about filling everyone in on the whole story behind the low GPA is extremely important and a good idea to take into consideration in this matter.

That given, I'll go ahead and post my embarrassing GPA stats on here to help...

My downfall: spring semester of my sophomore year-- I got a 2.33 and 3 C's in my 3 honors science courses.

What (I think) saved my little soul: Ultimately, the sheer blessing to do HIV/AIDS public health research in Cape Town, South Africa. It was through a research program entitled Minority International Research Training (MIRT) in case any of you are interested by the way. I did the whole analyses for the project which was submitted for international publication as well. I think Rochester looked at this particularly since they have this whole thing about independent learning :wink: . I also wrote a slammin' sincere personal statement about my motivations for medicine and how my former best friend with cystic fibrosis inspired me with the courage and guts to not give up when I basically screwed up that one semester even though I gave my best. Concerning GPA...I at least had the year after that to get back in the Honors Program and get on the Dean's List again...I believe I managed a 3.65 for the semesters after that, but of course that left me with the crummy 3.24. I basically explained in my PS how I learned from it and my GPA improved from that huge fall I took. You guys, if you've just screwed up one semester, it isn't the end of the world! Just dig in there, pray, and find some stuff that will set you apart from everyone else! Good luck :D

3.29 GPA
2.89 BCPM
26 MCAT (10V, 8P, 8B)
University of Rochester School of Medicine Class of 2006...but you best bet I'll always be a HURRICANE :clap: !!!
 
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