•••quote:•••Originally posted by OphthalmicMan:
•UCSFreak: I know that you might think that I am opposed to affirmative action. And in part I am. I think that it is fair to offer minorities and females an opportunity to compete with the majority. I in no way feel any desire to exclude anyone according to their race or gender. I do, however, believe that those who are most qualified should receive admittance. How would you feel as a minority with a 2.5 GPA at Harvard when you are competing against 4.0 students? I think this harms minorities more than it helps them. Affimative Action is a very "just" program. I think it is perfect for undergraduate programs, but I am married and assume that I have just as many stresses with life and jobs as any other person, minority or majority, why don't I get a break into medical school? Graduate school entrance should be based on personal intelligence and attributes, not skin color or gender. When you deny me entrance to a graduate program and accept a minority with lower credentials than me, you become the racist. That's how I feel about Affirmative Action. It is necessary to give people a helping hand but it can create people who rely on the system for their support, carrying them along and adversly hurting the qualified majority. I believe in equality, but it can only come by leveling the playing field, and that by helping train the athletes to perform similarly, not by lowering the bar for any single player. Just because I am white, had a fairly non-sporting childhood and can't jump as high as Michael Jordan, I don't expect the NBA to sign me in order to be just. That's just not how life works.•••••Look, I am not here to justify why AA is right or wrong. There have been published studies that hispanics and african americans are more likely to practice in underserved (ie inner-city) areas than caucasians.
I work in San Francisco, which has a huge Asian population. One of the girls I was working with told me that someone who is of Asian descent would go to a physician or dentist solely because they were of the same race/ethnicity, not because they were any better or worse.
I think to some extent Hispanics, African Americans, and Asians feel more comfortable being treated by someone from their own culture. Note: This last statement was a huge generalization.
Who are we to decide that a person with a 26 on the MCAT and a 3.3 gpa will be an inferior physician than someone with a 40 and a 4.0? I read the Univ of Utah statement that was posted. I guess the next question that we should ask is what were the incoming stats for URMs. Were they all 2.5's and 21s as you seem to suggest? Or were they 3.0's and 27's? Remember that there are fewer women and minorities applying, so their acceptance rates will be higher than white males.
URM physicians serve a purpose. If you only take the highest MCAT and GPA's then you end up with a classload of white, asians, and only handful of african americans and hispanics. How do you define superior "attributes"? Its totally subjective. Having fluency in Spanish is a good attribute. understanding where a URM comes from is a good attriubute. Therein lies a problem also, we naturally assume that the typical URM has an MCAT and GPA score lower than the white counterpart. This bull**** has been propagated so much through my undergrad life that I haven't been able to go on an interview, see a minority student and not think, " I wonder if they are qualified to be here." Its a problem we have to fix. While I don't agree with giving acceptances to people who can't hang (ie 2.5 and 21's), I do agree with giving URMs with promise a chance in medicine, even if AA is used to give them that chance. As a white male, I think that I may have gotten a lot more interviews had I been Hispanic. But I am not, so all I can do is make myself the better applicant and if that means getting a 37 on the MCAT and acing every class, then I would do it.
Look, I am not criticizing you. I believe that AA serves a purpose, and until we all are the same color and come from the same neighborhood people will disagree about whether its necessary. Buck up and get over it. Sorry dude. :wink:
FYI: Tulane has an agreement with BYU in their admissions process. Do you think its unfair to people who didn't go to BYU when applying to Tulane for med school?